Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

teacher · Post Post #6950 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:44 pm

In post 6946, Aristophanes wrote:does that mean you are confident one of us is scum or??

Ya, Im very inclined that way.

skitter30 · Post Post #6951 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:44 pm

In post 6947, teacher wrote:
In post 6944, skitter30 wrote:actually wicked hadn't flipped yet, whatever

my point remains
And so does mine. If we had flipped town!Wooper at that point, it would have conf!scummed Wicked, especially upon my death.

Likewise, flip town!ari here, and to me it conf!scums Math in 1.14 and the Day 2 VCs.

ah i thought you were making a different point, that since you were townreading most of aris wagon he was scum
not that if ari flipped town you'd look at the one not-town on the wagon as scum

either way this doesn't really look condemning for ari imo and i don't think flipping him to sort someone else is a good idea so

teacher · Post Post #6952 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:46 pm

fair enough.

Can you call out where Math attacked you for calling him non-conftown? I saw you mentioned that, but had it in my head as mostly associated with me.

teacher · Post Post #6953 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:51 pm

In post 6934, Aristophanes wrote:I'd prefer unflipped PRs be maybe blue

Your wish is my command

Spoiler: different colors

skitter30 · Post Post #6954 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:54 pm

In post 5793, MathBlade wrote:
In post 5792, skitter30 wrote:i'm about a page after the last time i was here, which was last night

i skimmed during the day so i have a general sense of what's going on and know that you want to talk to me, but i haven't read it in depth
Then why did I change to lock town from when you were scumreading before?

That inno wasn’t til the middle of today.

we had a whole argument starting here-ish about how he was scumreading me for not townreading him quickly enough upon hearing he may have been protected

i pointed out that the post he took exception with (where in i was still expressing some suspicion of math) happened before ico confirmed he was a doc and had been on him

and he kinda ignored this point and proceeded to scumread me for this for the rest of the day

teacher · Post Post #6955 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:58 pm

@skit, what do you think of my TvS Ari-Math theory. IF you buy into that, Im down to lynch Math (looking over VCs, and I like it).

My issue is that I dont think yesterday was an all-town wagon, that would almost be too easy, and I am much more heavily town on everyone but Ari. But I will give up the ghost if I cant get at all interested.

skitter30 · Post Post #6956 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:00 pm

is the ari/math thing based off of anything other than that vc?

also by yesterday you mean the lynch wagon or something else ?

teacher · Post Post #6957 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:06 pm

In post 6956, skitter30 wrote:is the ari/math thing based off of anything other than that vc?

also by yesterday you mean the lynch wagon or something else ?

The theory is VC-based, but more than one VC:

1.12-1.14, the Ari wagon is all fairly heavy townreads + Math
1.17-1.18 same
1.19-1.END all townreads (or only claimed PRs and me), no math
2.1-2.5 all townreads + Math

I also like Ari in general because I find his flip informative on the Shos wagon D2, but I'm willing to use the transitive property.

As for yesterday, I meant the lynch wagon. Im somewhat sheeping on Flopz, but Im willing do that pretty hard.

skitter30 · Post Post #6958 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:09 pm

idk
this is the first time i'm hearing of ari/math i think and i don't see super much in their behavior (outside of vca) to support that proposition
and i don't find this sort of vca to be as convincing as you do apparently tbh

i'm not really sure i buy/see this theory

also on the lynch wagon i think that flopz is most likely scum out of everyone

teacher · Post Post #6959 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:12 pm

Yea, I believe in associative VCA (and think it would have given a better insight into that C9++ game, both on wicked and volpe had it been followed after Almost50 and my death, and DrD towntelling), but I think Im preaching to the wind about the tool in general.

Open question to anyone townreading Ari -- try to sell me?

teacher · Post Post #6960 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:14 pm

My question about buy in, btw, is a bit on your early push against the Saudade wagon, and your refusal to get off Duck's wagon D1. Like I could see a world that is you-ari-saud but dont have you as scum in another other possible world, so wanted to see if youd commit to an Ari flip if Math flips town. You wont, and thats fair enough -- I still read you as hard town and believe its a genuine read, but its the one area we dont overlap.

Im also soft on flopz, but sheeping the you-rc discussions from yesterday a bit.

Aristophanes · Post Post #6961 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:15 pm

In post 6953, teacher wrote:
In post 6934, Aristophanes wrote:I'd prefer unflipped PRs be maybe blue
Your wish is my command

Spoiler: different colors
VOTE COUNT
1.1
teacher (2):
the worst
, skitter30
skitter30 (1):
tris

Plum (1): MathBlade

Not voting (9): RCEnigma, Aristophanes,
iconeum
, Plum,
Bellaphant
, Xtoxm,
radiantCowbells
, Thilbert, teacher

VOTE COUNT
1.2
Plum (2): MathBlade, skitter30
MathBlade (2):
tris
,
radiantCowbells

teacher (1):
the worst

tris
(1): Aristophanes

Not voting (7): RCEnigma,
iconeum
, Plum,
Bellaphant
, Xtoxm, Thilbert, teacher

VOTE COUNT
1.3

tris
(2): Aristophanes, MathBlade
Plum (2): skitter30,
radiantCowbells

MathBlade (1):
tris

teacher (1):
the worst

Not voting (7): RCEnigma,
iconeum
,
Bellaphant
, Xtoxm, Thilbert, teacher, Plum

VOTE COUNT
1.4
Aristophanes (4): Plum,
radiantCowbells
,
the worst
, MathBlade
Plum (2): skitter30,
iconeum

tris
(1): Aristophanes
MathBlade (1):
tris

Not voting (5): RCEnigma,
Bellaphant
, Xtoxm, Thilbert, teacher

VOTE COUNT
1.5
Aristophanes (2): Plum, MathBlade
skitter30 (2):
Bellaphant
,
the worst

tris
(1): Aristophanes
MathBlade (1):
tris

radiantCowbells
(1): Xtoxm

iconeum
(1): skitter30

Not voting (5): RCEnigma, Thilbert,
iconeum
, teacher,
radiantCowbells

VOTE COUNT
1.6
skitter30 (2):
Bellaphant
,
the worst

Aristophanes (2): Plum, MathBlade

radiantCowbells
(2): Xtoxm, skitter30
MathBlade (2):
tris
,
radiantCowbells

tris
(1): Aristophanes
Xtoxm (1): RCEnigma

Not voting (3): Thilbert,
iconeum
, teacher

VOTE COUNT
1.7
MathBlade (3):
tris
,
Bellaphant
, Flopz
Aristophanes (3): Plum, MathBlade,
the worst

Bellaphant
(2): teacher, skitter30

radiantCowbells
(1): Xtoxm

tris
(1): Aristophanes
Xtoxm (1): RCEnigma

Not voting (2):
iconeum
,
radiantCowbells

VOTE COUNT
1.8
Flopz (5): MathBlade, Plum,
the worst
, RCEnigma,
iconeum

MathBlade (2):
tris
,
Bellaphant

Aristophanes (2): Flopz,
radiantCowbells

Bellaphant
(1): teacher

radiantCowbells
(1): Xtoxm

tris
(1): Aristophanes

Not voting (1): skitter30

VOTE COUNT
1.9
Flopz (3): MathBlade, Plum, RCEnigma
MathBlade (2):
tris
,
Bellaphant

Bellaphant
(2): teacher,
the worst

tris
(2): Aristophanes,
radiantCowbells

Aristophanes (2): Flopz

radiantCowbells
(1): Xtoxm
Xtoxm (1):
iconeum

Not voting (1): skitter30

VOTE COUNT
1.10

tris
(3): Aristophanes, skitter30, Plum
Flopz (2): RCEnigma,
Bellaphant

Xtoxm (2):
iconeum
, teacher

Bellaphant
(2):
the worst
, MathBlade
Aristophanes (2): Flopz,
radiantCowbells

MathBlade (1):
tris

radiantCowbells
(1): Xtoxm

VOTE COUNT
1.11

tris
(3): Aristophanes, skitter30, Plum
Xtoxm (3):
iconeum
, teacher, MathBlade
Flopz (2): RCEnigma,
Bellaphant

Aristophanes (2): Flopz,
radiantCowbells

radiantCowbells
(2): Xtoxm,
the worst

MathBlade (1):
tris

VOTE COUNT
1.12
Aristophanes (4): Flopz,
radiantCowbells
, skitter30, MathBlade
Xtoxm (2):
iconeum
, teacher

tris
(2): Aristophanes, Plum

radiantCowbells
(2): Xtoxm,
the worst

Flopz (1): RCEnigma

Not voting (2):
Bellaphant
,
tris

VOTE COUNT
1.13
Aristophanes (4): Flopz,
radiantCowbells
, skitter30, MathBlade
Flopz (3): RCEnigma, Aristophanes,
iconeum

radiantCowbells
(2): Xtoxm,
the worst

Xtoxm (1): teacher

tris
(1): Plum

Not voting (2):
Bellaphant
,
tris

VOTE COUNT
1.14
Aristophanes (5): Flopz,
radiantCowbells
, MathBlade, teacher,
iconeum

Flopz (2): RCEnigma, Aristophanes

radiantCowbells
(2): Xtoxm,
the worst

tris
(1): Plum
teacher (1): skitter30

Not voting (2):
Bellaphant
,
tris

VOTE COUNT
1.15
Aristophanes (4): Flopz, MathBlade, teacher, RCEnigma

radiantCowbells
(2): Xtoxm,
the worst

teacher (2): skitter30,
radiantCowbells

Flopz (1): Aristophanes

tris
(1): Plum

Not voting (3):
Bellaphant
,
tris
,
iconeum

VOTE COUNT
1.16
Aristophanes (3): MathBlade, teacher, RCEnigma

radiantCowbells
(2): Xtoxm,
the worst

Plum (2): skitter30,
radiantCowbells

Flopz (1): Aristophanes

tris
(1): Plum

the worst
(1):
tris

Not voting (3):
Bellaphant
,
iconeum
, Flopz

VOTE COUNT
1.17
Aristophanes (4): MathBlade, teacher, Flopz, skitter30

radiantCowbells
(2): Xtoxm,
the worst

the worst
(2):
tris
,
radiantCowbells

Plum (1): RCEnigma
Flopz (1): Aristophanes

tris
(1): Plum

Not voting (2):
Bellaphant
,
iconeum

VOTE COUNT
1.18
Aristophanes (4): MathBlade, teacher, Flopz, skitter30

radiantCowbells
(3): Xtoxm,
the worst
, Aristophanes

the worst
(2):
tris
,
radiantCowbells

Plum (1): RCEnigma

tris
(1): Plum

Not voting (2):
Bellaphant
,
iconeum

VOTE COUNT
1.19

the worst
(5):
tris
, skitter30,
radiantCowbells
, Plum, MathBlade

radiantCowbells
(3): Xtoxm,
the worst
, Aristophanes
Aristophanes (2): teacher, Flopz
Plum (1): RCEnigma

Not voting (2):
Bellaphant
,
iconeum

VOTE COUNT
1.20

the worst
(5):
tris
, skitter30,
radiantCowbells
, Plum, MathBlade

radiantCowbells
(2): Xtoxm,
the worst

Aristophanes (2): teacher, Flopz
Plum (1): RCEnigma

Not voting (3):
Bellaphant
,
iconeum
, Aristophanes

VOTE COUNT
1.21

the worst
(5):
tris
, skitter30,
radiantCowbells
, Plum, MathBlade
Aristophanes (2): teacher, Flopz

radiantCowbells
(2): Xtoxm,
the worst

Plum (1): RCEnigma

Not voting (3):
Bellaphant
,
iconeum
, Aristophanes

VOTE COUNT
1.22

the worst
(6):
tris
, skitter30,
radiantCowbells
, Plum, MathBlade, Flopz
Aristophanes (3): teacher,
Bellaphant
,
iconeum

radiantCowbells
(2): Xtoxm,
the worst

Plum (1): RCEnigma

Not voting (1): Aristophanes

VOTE COUNT
1.23 (FINAL)

the worst
(7):
tris
, skitter30,
radiantCowbells
, Plum, MathBlade, Flopz, teacher
Aristophanes (2):
Bellaphant
,
iconeum

radiantCowbells
(2): Xtoxm,
the worst

Plum (1): RCEnigma

Not voting (1): Aristophanes

VOTE COUNT
2.1
Plum (3):
radiantCowbells
, skitter30, Aristophanes
Aristophanes (2):
iconeum
, MathBlade

Not voting (7): RCEnigma,
tris
, Plum,
Bellaphant
, Xtoxm, Flopz, teacher

VOTE COUNT
2.2
Aristophanes (3):
iconeum
, MathBlade, Flopz

radiantCowbells
(2): skitter30,
radiantCowbells

Plum (1): Aristophanes

Not voting (6): RCEnigma,
tris
, Plum,
Bellaphant
, Xtoxm, teacher

VOTE COUNT
2.3
Aristophanes (4):
iconeum
, MathBlade, Flopz, teacher

radiantCowbells
(2): skitter30, RCEnigma
RCEnigma (1):
radiantCowbells

Not voting (5):
tris
, Plum,
Bellaphant
, Xtoxm, Aristophanes

VOTE COUNT
2.4
Aristophanes (4): MathBlade, Flopz, teacher,
iconeum

radiantCowbells
(2): skitter30, RCEnigma
RCEnigma (1):
radiantCowbells

Not voting (5):
saudade
, shos,
Bellaphant
, Xtoxm, Aristophanes

VOTE COUNT
2.5
Aristophanes (3): Flopz, teacher,
iconeum

shos (3): skitter30, Aristophanes,
radiantCowbells

radiantCowbells
(1): RCEnigma
skitter30 (1): MathBlade

Not voting (4): shos,
Bellaphant
, Xtoxm,
saudade

VOTE COUNT
2.6
skitter30 (4): MathBlade,
iconeum
,
saudade
, Xtoxm
shos (2): skitter30,
radiantCowbells

Aristophanes (2): Flopz, teacher

radiantCowbells
(1): RCEnigma
MathBlade (1): Aristophanes

Not voting (2): shos,
Bellaphant

VOTE COUNT
2.7
shos (3): skitter30,
radiantCowbells
, Aristophanes

radiantCowbells
(3): RCEnigma,
iconeum
, MathBlade
Aristophanes (2): Flopz, teacher
skitter30 (1): Xtoxm

Not voting (3): shos,
Bellaphant
,
saudade

VOTE COUNT
2.8
shos (5): skitter30, Aristophanes,
iconeum
, RCEnigma, teacher

radiantCowbells
(2): MathBlade,
saudade

Aristophanes (1): Flopz

iconeum
(1): shos

Not voting (3):
Bellaphant
, Xtoxm,
radiantCowbells

VOTE COUNT
2.9
shos (3): skitter30, Aristophanes,
iconeum

radiantCowbells
(3): MathBlade,
saudade
, RCEnigma
Aristophanes (1): Flopz

iconeum
(1): shos

Not voting (4):
Bellaphant
, Xtoxm,
radiantCowbells
, teacher

VOTE COUNT
2.10
shos (3): skitter30, Aristophanes,
iconeum

radiantCowbells
(3): MathBlade,
saudade
, RCEnigma
MathBlade (1):
radiantCowbells

Aristophanes (1): Flopz

iconeum
(1): shos

Not voting (3):
Bellaphant
, Xtoxm, teacher

VOTE COUNT
2.11
shos (4): skitter30, Aristophanes,
iconeum
, Flopz

radiantCowbells
(3): MathBlade,
saudade
, RCEnigma

iconeum
(1): shos

saudade
(1):
radiantCowbells

Not voting (3):
Bellaphant
, Xtoxm, teacher

VOTE COUNT
2.12

saudade
(4):
radiantCowbells
, skitter30, Aristophanes,
iconeum

radiantCowbells
(3):
saudade
, RCEnigma, MathBlade
shos (1): Flopz

iconeum
(1): shos

Not voting (3):
Bellaphant
, Xtoxm, teacher

VOTE COUNT
2.13

saudade
(5):
radiantCowbells
, skitter30, Aristophanes,
iconeum
, Flopz

radiantCowbells
(3):
saudade
, RCEnigma, MathBlade
Xtoxm (1): shos

Not voting (3):
Bellaphant
, Xtoxm, teacher

VOTE COUNT
2.14

saudade
(4):
radiantCowbells
, skitter30, Aristophanes,
iconeum

radiantCowbells
(2):
saudade
, RCEnigma
RCEnigma (2): Flopz, MathBlade
Xtoxm (1): shos

Not voting (3):
Bellaphant
, Xtoxm, teacher

VOTE COUNT
2.15

saudade
(4):
radiantCowbells
, skitter30, Aristophanes, Flopz
shos (2):
iconeum
, MathBlade

radiantCowbells
(1): RCEnigma
Xtoxm (1): shos
Aristophanes (1):
saudade

Not voting (3):
Bellaphant
, Xtoxm, teacher

VOTE COUNT
2.16 (FINAL)

saudade
(7): skitter30, Aristophanes, Flopz,
iconeum
, teacher,
radiantCowbells
,
saudade

shos (1): MathBlade

radiantCowbells
(1): RCEnigma
Xtoxm (1): shos

Not voting (2):
Bellaphant
, Xtoxm

Amazing! Thank you <3

Looking at this Math and Tris actually have interesting votes a lot of D11 and a possible distancing going on there.
As well, based on trends in voting patterns and whatnot, Plum or Math are the likely 2nd (and possibly 3rd) scum on The Worst's lynch.

D2 the same slots remain a strong scum possibility as a pairing which is interesting to say the least!
I don't want a Math mynch today but I previously said shos > Xtoxm today and I stand by that.
Also, I saw an RCE wagon I think but I didn't bother to read from pg 273 so that's slated for later maybe.

By votes Xtoxm is almost 100% null
RCE I would way is a positive scum possibility with Math but not Plum/shos in the VCA though that could change.

skitter30 · Post Post #6962 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:16 pm

yeah idk he's who i'm tr'ing the most beyond the prs
i don't see myself considering him a possible vote any time soon

also i probably just bus ari if i'm scum with him and rc is pushing him that hard day1, i imagine

teacher · Post Post #6963 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:17 pm

Also, given claims, I dont believe a traitor is at all possible, and would like to hear Math's stance on that.

skitter30 · Post Post #6964 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:18 pm

oh yeah that's another thing that i think is kinda ridiculous

teacher · Post Post #6965 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:19 pm

Alright, well I think I know where everyone who is online stands. Imma let this convo sit out there a bit for reactions and get to the grading Im trying too desparately to avoid. Be well, Skit/Ari.

skitter30 · Post Post #6966 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:20 pm

you too, have a good rest of your night!

also for me reminder that i might not be able to be around again till saturday night

MathBlade · Post Post #6967 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:21 pm

Just got home can’t keep up.

Traitor imho is required or Bella+Ico has to have a scum.

One protective + 1 shot strongman = balanced
Two protectives + perma strongman = balanced

Kill failed latter not possible. So traitor required and/or one scum in Bella/Ico required

Of the two Ico is most likely considering Xtom likely lynchbait

With all the townreads of Ari I was likely not the kill forcing RCE scum so RCE + Ico

Traitor is skitter because skitter knows my scum game and this ain’t it and RC was also beginning to suspect Skitter before he died

teacher · Post Post #6968 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:22 pm

Ari, what do you think of the neighbor claim (I think you asked the question of what went on, but dont recall a reaction from you). Im still inclined to view it as town indicative from xtom, and agree shos>xtomx

MathBlade · Post Post #6969 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:23 pm

Almost no scum team here kills me unless I was right on Ari. I am considered the town idiot. I just kinda doubt I was right in two of my three day one reads

MathBlade · Post Post #6970 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:23 pm

V/LA until Tuesday

Will be posting just a lot less

teacher · Post Post #6971 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:24 pm

In post 6967, MathBlade wrote:RC was also beginning to suspect Skitter before he died

Ummmm, RC's last read post:

In post 6620, RadiantCowbells wrote:My locktownreads in {RC Ico Math Flopz
Skitter
[/size]} are very very probably not wrong.

Say wha????

MathBlade · Post Post #6972 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:25 pm

In post 6971, teacher wrote:
In post 6967, MathBlade wrote:RC was also beginning to suspect Skitter before he died
Ummmm, RC's last read post:
In post 6620, RadiantCowbells wrote:My locktownreads in {RC Ico Math Flopz
Skitter
[/size]} are very very probably not wrong.
Say wha????

Yes RC was beginning to suspect Skittet that is cherry picked

And eod RC was hunting Skitter

MathBlade · Post Post #6973 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:26 pm

In post 6504, RadiantCowbells wrote:Can you get her to explain the skitter townread in her own words and then you paraphrase it for me, if possible?

Here Teacher

He also was worried about some posting from Skitter EoD

skitter30 · Post Post #6974 (ISO) » Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:26 pm

In post 6967, MathBlade wrote:Just got home can’t keep up.

Traitor imho is required or Bella+Ico has to have a scum.

One protective + 1 shot strongman = balanced
Two protectives + perma strongman = balanced

Kill failed latter not possible. So traitor required and/or one scum in Bella/Ico required

Of the two Ico is most likely considering Xtom likely lynchbait

With all the townreads of Ari I was likely not the kill forcing RCE scum so RCE + Ico

Traitor is skitter because skitter knows my scum game and this ain’t it and RC was also beginning to suspect Skitter before he died

i don't even know what to say to this