Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

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Spoiler: underlying the baseboards

Vote Count 3.3

RCEnigma

(3): MathBlade, Flopz, shos

MathBlade

(2): skitter30, teacher

Not Voting (5): RCEnigma, Aristophanes, Bellaphant, Xtoxm, Iconeum

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to 11 PM PST on the 12th, in (expired on 2020-02-13 03:00:00).

[Iconeum]

Umm I made a mistake
VOTE: RCE
this is superior to Math

no, we are not lynching RCE today. Or at least, not with my support.

Same to you at Ico -- what was it titled?

I'm a simple doc

Lmao everyone claimed VT XD

Obv the scum are in there somewhere.

Ico, does the "simple" modifier say it only works on vanilla roles or on VT specifically?

I can only protect vanilla roles from a nightkill

Just got home can’t keep up.

Traitor imho is required or Bella+Ico has to have a scum.

One protective + 1 shot strongman = balanced
Two protectives + perma strongman = balanced

Kill failed latter not possible. So traitor required and/or one scum in Bella/Ico required

Of the two Ico is most likely considering Xtom likely lynchbait

With all the townreads of Ari I was likely not the kill forcing RCE scum so RCE + Ico

Traitor is skitter because skitter knows my scum game and this ain’t it and RC was also beginning to suspect Skitter before he died

Ok guys I think I figured it out. Math is suffering from head trauma after Bella's claim because this is probably what happened:



Or he's just scum, caught pants down and is trying to get something to stick?

Math, for whenver you are back:

In a situation where there is no kill N1, you think scum!Ico first crumbs -- and then claims -- protective? When scum!Ico knows there is a protective out there, and so it is liable to be counterclaimed? When Ico is already fairly heavily townread, and so would be sacrificing a survivor position in order to........what exactly?????????

Im sorry, just no. Like your reads have gone way too far round the bend for me to believe any serious person could possibly hold them.

VOTE: Math

Heavily inclined to go with a vote on Math as well, over xtoxm (who I think is the better lynch, before math openwolfing)
Would like to see this answered, because math has been ignoring every single callout and question i'm sending his way

[MathBlade]

I think none of this makes sense
Setup is imbalanced as fuck
RC killed my joy for even trying
This is not a scum claim I am town I just don’t understand anything
Titus says teacher+Ari which is impossible due to setup balance
Yet teacher says things that don’t make sense
None of you make sense
I am just going to not post for 24 hours and see if it makes sense Saturday.

Like none of you make sense at all. I hate that I am hitting a wall I can’t break on this site and others I am clear

It just sucks.

Lynch RCE after me if you speed lynch me while afk

[MathBlade]

Would you kindly address the question of scum!icos motive for crumbing and then claiming protective first?

Maybe they weren’t crumbs and he took advantage of my theory.

I legit don’t know but setup spec says can’t have two protectives N1 and N2

Otherwise you end up with a 25% kill fail rate which seems broken.

[Xtoxm]

Like I said not a set-up guy. Can I crowdsource this one? My instinct is Math's wrong, but Id like confirmation.

3-shot invest joat
n1-2 alien
simple doc
vts

vs
neighorizer

i dont think this is townsided at all. it looks a tad on the weak side of what i typically expect from the nrg.
im surprised there are so many vt claims, and now consider bella/ico town by setup spec

4 scum mini normals are extremely rare and town doesnt have nearly enough power claimed to justify it. thats bananas.

[Iconeum]

Setup is imbalanced as fuck

2 shot alien
a doc that can't target PR's
a JOAT

v

neighbourizer
and ?? (really think strongman would make a TON of sense here)

How is this SO unbalanced you cannot possibly comprehend this?
The alien interferes with town power as well mind you.

[Iconeum]

None of you make sense

Have you considered you are the one not making sense here?

[Iconeum]

Maybe they weren’t crumbs and he took advantage of my theory.

Ok fair enough. Why did I claim it anyway?

[Iconeum]

Otherwise you end up with a 25% kill fail rate which seems broken.

your

math

is wrong

alien interferes with the second protective, and the doc can't protect 2 of the other townies

[Iconeum]

VOTE: math

[Iconeum]

i dont think this is townsided at all. it looks a tad on the weak side of what i typically expect from the nrg.

Hi xtoxm

weak for who exactly?

[Iconeum]

{ico, math, rce}
{skitter, teacher, ari, flopz}
{bella, shos}

i have some issues with bellas claim so pending the massclaim i'll see what that means for her/possibly rce.
my reads are not at all confident this game.

rc probably mentioned it first? i dont know. havent been reading everything

Can you start responding to the most urgent matters at hand, mostly being Math going off the charts here?

Can you update your reads with your new information (bella town?)
Do you honestly scumread shos? If so, why?

Who's the scumteam according to you?

[MathBlade]

Setup is imbalanced as fuck

2 shot alien
a doc that can't target PR's
a JOAT

v

neighbourizer
and ?? (really think strongman would make a TON of sense here)

How is this SO unbalanced you cannot possibly comprehend this?
The alien interferes with town power as well mind you.

What good would a strongman be for scum here?

They would have to fail a kill to know to use it. Then when they’ve failed it’s already too late. Strongman is almost never the answer to protectives, especially not two. Because then N1 kill almost certain to fail.

Alien protects two and doc a third. If we are generous and say three scum and not four then the mislynch you have 12 into night, three scum that means 9 possible town to shoot. Three people saved means only a 66% shot of success of which scum would have no way of knowing. And you’re considering that balanced by “just” a strongman? Quite frankly that is CRAP. I feel like I am living in bananas world here

[MathBlade]

That also doesn’t include the possibility that RCE is scum here like Jesus.

I mean I like free wins and all but daaaaamn. Sorry NRG you done fucked up.

[Iconeum]

What good would a strongman be for scum here?They would have to fail a kill to know to use it.

Scum having a strongman HEAVILY implicates a protective.

Are you serious right now? Yeah 'what good is a strongman in a protective setup' right?

As for the second part, guess what. They failed a kill and HIGLY likely used it to kill RC

[Iconeum]

Can you please just answer how my actions make ANY sense to you as scum?

Why did I crumb? Why did I claim? Why did I save you from RC? All as scum? KNOWING there's at least 1 actual protective out there as well.

[MathBlade]

Alien protects both the person they jail and then if anyone visits something is up. Like just no. You can say my reads don’t make sense but there is no way NRG would approve scum likely not having a kill N1 just no.

[Iconeum]

You said it yourself, you strongly feel I claimed DOC, not protective. Why the fuck take a chance like that as scum, after a FAILED nk?

[Iconeum]

there is no way NRG would approve scum likely not having a kill N1 just no.

That's true. If only certain roles existed to counter this… Oh yeah. Strongman.

[MathBlade]

Can you please just answer how my actions make ANY sense to you as scum?

Why did I crumb? Why did I claim? Why did I save you from RC? All as scum? KNOWING there's at least 1 actual protective out there as well.

I don’t know.

However I used that same argument in Shadowrun. When I crumbed jailkeeper Day One.

Then I coasted.

I may not be able to explain but I know something isn’t right here.

[Iconeum]

Math, can you understand your behaviour today is really strange to everyone?

You were HEAVILY invested into this game when RC was alive. Now there's a scum lynch, RC (the one who was draining you this game) is dead.

And now ur done with this game?

How do you think that looks?

[MathBlade]

there is no way NRG would approve scum likely not having a kill N1 just no.

That's true. If only certain roles existed to counter this… Oh yeah. Strongman.

No that doesn’t work

Strongman is almost always limited shot

If you don’t know the night to use it it’s useless

Strongman doesn’t counter two protectives. One maaaaaybe if you weaken it or give scum more power

But one shot strongman would not work against two protectives N1.

By that logic make everyone a protective.

It’s okay! Scum have a strongman! /s

[Iconeum]

Can you please just answer how my actions make ANY sense to you as scum?

Why did I crumb? Why did I claim? Why did I save you from RC? All as scum? KNOWING there's at least 1 actual protective out there as well.

I don’t know.

However I used that same argument in Shadowrun. When I crumbed jailkeeper Day One.

Then I coasted.

I may not be able to explain but I know something isn’t right here.

I didn't just crumb. I crumbed, then crumbed heavily, then straight out claimed investigative with extreme pointers to being doc. After there was no NK. And right now it turns out there isn't another doc.

Yet you scumread me. How?

[MathBlade]

Math, can you understand your behaviour today is really strange to everyone?

You were HEAVILY invested into this game when RC was alive. Now there's a scum lynch, RC (the one who was draining you this game) is dead.

And now ur done with this game?

How do you think that looks?

I played this game as a favor to Titus.

I didn’t know RC was going to be in it.

I kept fighting for her because there was purpose.

Kept trying to work with RC because I wanted to be able to save something there

But this is just the same ol shit

I just am tired of trying to work here when other sites just make sense and this one just always feels backwards

After this game I am done with mafia for a loooooong time

[MathBlade]

Can you please just answer how my actions make ANY sense to you as scum?

Why did I crumb? Why did I claim? Why did I save you from RC? All as scum? KNOWING there's at least 1 actual protective out there as well.

I don’t know.

However I used that same argument in Shadowrun. When I crumbed jailkeeper Day One.

Then I coasted.

I may not be able to explain but I know something isn’t right here.

I didn't just crumb. I crumbed, then crumbed heavily, then straight out claimed investigative with extreme pointers to being doc. After there was no NK. And right now it turns out there isn't another doc.

Yet you scumread me. How?

Because I have done it as scum.

Like you or Bella HAVE to be scum.

I said I wasn’t going to post I need to stop