Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[Iconeum]

Strongman doesn’t counter two protectives

only there aren't 2 full protectives.

A 2 shot alien and a weaker doc amounts to just about 1 full doc (maybe slightly over?)

Your insistence that this is just absolutely never ever EVER possible when EVERYONE else is telling you this is p good balance especially if scum have an additional power, is extremely weird for town to have.

Then you also went so hard against the scumlynch yesterday. You were on the worst lynch.
Now today you AGAIN go against town early when we were pushing xtoxm.

You NEVER worked together with the townblock.

After having the information that ur actually not conftown, I'm having a hard time seeing your play this game as town.

[Iconeum]

you never stopped engaging with RC

and now that we are solving the game after a scumflip ur friggin done with the game because??

but ok

bye

[Iconeum]

i'm fine lynching him now

[MathBlade]

And I don’t give a fuck.

Like literally you’re just doing what’s easy versus what’s right

There’s no way if Xtom is scum he claims neighbor none

Then you’re scumreading me for disagreeing

I am always gonna disagree with lynchbait

And always going to disagree with a setup that denies scum the N1 night kill

I don’t give a shit about how I look I care about reality.

And that is for N1 and N2 there were two protectives which means a greater than 25% chance of failure which means at least a three shot strongman to guarantee an N1-3 kill of some kind or scum don’t get kills which means they lose.

I like the win but this does not pass setup. Ever. Two protectives first two days just does not balance.

[MathBlade]

Strongman doesn’t counter two protectives

only there aren't 2 full protectives.

A 2 shot alien and a weaker doc amounts to just about 1 full doc (maybe slightly over?)

Your insistence that this is just absolutely never ever EVER possible when EVERYONE else is telling you this is p good balance especially if scum have an additional power, is extremely weird for town to have.

Then you also went so hard against the scumlynch yesterday. You were on the worst lynch.
Now today you AGAIN go against town early when we were pushing xtoxm.

You NEVER worked together with the townblock.

After having the information that ur actually not conftown, I'm having a hard time seeing your play this game as town.

Then “everyone” can suck it

Enjoy my green flip because #done with townsided setups.

I like the win but seriously should look at RCE here once I flip

Because either I was saved
RCE is scum
Or RCE saved are only worlds

And RCE was quiet day one

My flip does a lot for this game.

Lynch RCE tomorrow after my flip

Then in Bella/Ico and game fucking over.

[MathBlade]

Unless of course I am right and there is scum traitor and it’s Skitter

Oh no! Math can’t be right!

[Iconeum]

There’s no way if Xtom is scum he claims neighbor none

Scum didn't use their ability, safe claim.

[Iconeum]

Unless of course I am right and there is scum traitor and it’s Skitter

Oh no! Math can’t be right!

On which slots that flipped were you right up until now?

[Iconeum]

Then you’re scumreading me for disagreeing

i'm scumreading you but not for that

[Iconeum]

Math, I don't think i'm treating you unfairly rn?

Having discussions is part of the game, and our discussion isn't even close to toxic so why are you so worked up about it?

[MathBlade]

There’s no way if Xtom is scum he claims neighbor none

Scum didn't use their ability, safe claim.

Doesn’t make sense
Multitasking

If not multitasking you have a point but you don’t because of that.

[Iconeum]

math, my team thinks the setup is balanced

Both nomnom and DDL agree

they do say scum have likely an extra power, and are divided between a small investigative or smt like a strongman

[Iconeum]

UNVOTE: by request of my ENTIRE team

they say math is wrong, but used other words for 'wrong'

but probs town on tone mostly

[Xtoxm]

{ico, math, rce}
{skitter, teacher, ari, flopz}
{bella, shos}

i have some issues with bellas claim so pending the massclaim i'll see what that means for her/possibly rce.
my reads are not at all confident this game.

rc probably mentioned it first? i dont know. havent been reading everything

Can you start responding to the most urgent matters at hand, mostly being Math going off the charts here?

Can you update your reads with your new information (bella town?)
Do you honestly scumread shos? If so, why?

Who's the scumteam according to you?

i consider the setup spec urgent since theres disagreement there.
math may be in cloud cuckoo land but hes my only ally here, i find it difficult to see him as scum.
math down (removal of pseudo clear)
rce down (acknowledge possibility of jailed kill)
teacher up - genuine looking solving attempts today

i do scumread shos, his approach to my slot yesterday was awful, and ive seen nothing today to change it.

im not at the stage of declaring a team

[Iconeum]

please stand by, SubOtimAl mAth teampost incoming

[Iconeum]

I will TL;DR my team thoughts

The setup as is, is balanced with addition of a probably scum power. X-shot investigative, strongman, x-shot JK maybe. Something like that.

Math is wrong about pretty much everything he's saying D3. My team is divided in their read on math. DDL thinks he's scum by play, Espee thinks town by tone and feel.

In the discussion about how Math NOR RCE make sense as the N1 kill they provide a simple yet amazingly good answer: they weren't. RC, who is now flipped town, is 1.000.000% of the time the NK.

This heavily suggests RCE scum who got JK'd. Everyone is in STRONG agreement RCE needs to flip today.

Espe gut says teacher is last scum, based on nothing but gut.
Espe also says hi to Bella.

DDL: Several players are independently scummy:Xt, shos and plum, teacher

Morale of them (they literally forced me into this): ALWAYS lynch RCE today

[RCEnigma]

Around. Not read up.

[Iconeum]

Around. Not read up.

I'm sorry you got blocked out of your N1 kill attempt at killing RC. That would have saved us about 100 pages.
Blaming Bella.

We should all blame Bella.

[RCEnigma]

Well, that's a bad take for me. When the possibility I was the save is as likely.

[Iconeum]

If scum have to decide a NK between you or RC, occam razor suggests scum tried RC n1.

Which implicates you as scum :s

[Bellaphant]

Xtom, second or third time: what's wrong with my claim?


Hi espe-love

I dunno, as scum I deffo leave RC around to add 100 pages a night and stop town reading.

[RCEnigma]

Lol no just no Alien is one of the most powerful role there is.

Very easily self confirming.

Two protectives + JOAt is op as fuck. Would need a traitor to balance along with three PRs at minimum like fuck.

Really gotta go

An example of a 9-4 setup. here

I won't say 9-4 isn't possible. But there is no way it gets approved for team mafia.

[RCEnigma]

If scum have to decide a NK between you or RC, occam razor suggests scum tried RC n1.

Which implicates you as scum :s

Well I know scum didn't try RC night one. Which is why I'm still hesitant to call math as scum. Fmpov the only two scenarios are I was targeted, which means nothing for maths alignment.

Or math was the target and there are two potential clears from that.

[Iconeum]

Further espe thoughts:

The lack of kill N1 was caused by either RCE or math being the NK target, or RCE being the killer. First 2 are more unlikely then the latter.

A bit of a repeat, but espe is explicit in this.

Espe directly @math: GET OFF YOUR SETUP TUNNEL AND LOOK BACK TO N1

[Xtoxm]

Xtom, second or third time: what's wrong with my claim?

not trying to ignore you, my bad

they were:
ico-math soft clear had them both viewed near conftown by everyone, and is something scum would have incentive to remove, which your claim has done
claim n1-2 makes you functionally vanilla from here on out, which means you are not an attractive nk => gives you a reason to not be dying at night despite the pr claim

its moot now, since with the conclusion of massclaim, i trust your claim. i just thought i was seeing things that were super beneficial to scum.