Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[MathBlade]

ok let's assume we lynch RCE and that flips scum

who's the third?

If we go with Mafiascum “balance” Skitter or a deep wolf or shos

I don’t see a lurker scum here and I don’t trust my d1 when I was disagreeing with Titus enough to see a shos/Xtoxm much as I think shos slipped other people don’t see it that way but shos would be a good compromise

If we go with my idea Skitter + someone else

Skitter knows my scum game too well and if I was scum I kill her each time
She’s one of the few people who read me right and the fact she is failing now is bad

For a Skitter + me team shos has to be town and saudade elected to push RC's buttons over securing a lynch on town.

For me + shos shos has to be scum at L-1 in a scenario that makes bussing who's profitable and saudade elected to push RC's buttons instead of garnering towncredit.

I guess that one kind of depends on who has what role in that scenario.

For the first if that is Saud’s town meta as people claim I would buy it as it denies information to analyze
For the latter again I don’t know Saud never played with them

Soooo *shrug*

[MathBlade]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 3#p9761523

She literally has gut feelings on me that are right after a single push

I don’t see teacher breaking up me and RC fighting if scum

Titus sees teacher scum but it seems moonlogicky to me

First off, i'm not gonna pay attention to a 2-yr old game

Second, I agree on teacher. I townread the slot. My team says he could be deepwolf.

Meh teacher+RCE was a day two read I had.

I could compromise there if RCE scum but Skitter would have to have a hella bad game or just be predisposed to scumreading me

[Iconeum]

I'm trying to make up my mind about xtoxm.

He claims to be NB'd, but as scum he could easily just claim the opposite and nothing happens. Him claiming it and saying there's nothing there puts him in a worse spot as scum then just claiming not NB'd.

My mind tells me he's more likely town then scum by his claim.

[RCEnigma]

Oh god, Ari might be town and rce might be deepwolf.

I'm gonna be around a bunch today and tomorrow. My issue is with timezones - noone posts all day and I wake up to ten pages.

Banana. Flopz replaces thrilbert who I'm not sure even posted.

Can you talk to me about rce?

Valid. I wasn't massively impressed with your earlier content but this is better. I'm also not sure why saud isn't getting treated similar to you.

It's fine . I'm the best of the low hanging fruit slots and I'm kinda fine with it? Like you, I'm doing a lot of reading.


@rce, apart from saud saying I'm open wolfing I couldn't tell you their reads either...

@ico, you've been on four different wagons today. Can you give me your resosns why for each jump in like, a sentence each?


@rce, why not?

I want more organic content from shos. I'm back to being unsure on rce. I can't work out why saud/tris us getting a pass. Tom still isn't town

If some/all of these are somehow town then it's rc and Ari!

Math, I'm right about what rcs result means if true? I hate mechanic

P-edit, thanks teacher

How do you feel about skitter, rce?

Let's leave mechanics for a bit? It's so hard to read people arguing continually about something we literally don't know

These are day 2 posts either engaging me directly, engaging in content around me, or about me. Bella expressing her middle of the line read on me day 2 but still getting my opinion or reacting to opinions on me is consistent with both Bella's claimed n1 action and the possible results of it.

[Iconeum]

Scum!shos comes back into play, time to reread there now

[Iconeum]

yo math, espe tells you it's fine because you both reach same conclusion

espe doesn't really agree with your whole process but that it doesn't matter

[Iconeum]

@math, do you scumread me on play?

or is it really just your mind that went blank because the setup doesn't make sense according to you?

[MathBlade]

I'm trying to make up my mind about xtoxm.

He claims to be NB'd, but as scum he could easily just claim the opposite and nothing happens. Him claiming it and saying there's nothing there puts him in a worse spot as scum then just claiming not NB'd.

My mind tells me he's more likely town then scum by his claim.

I cast suggestion level moon logic
Ico voluntarily fails and now understands Xtom town
Good night Good progress.

[MathBlade]

@math, do you scumread me on play?

or is it really just your mind that went blank because the setup doesn't make sense according to you?

The latter.

Your play is townie AF but that’s me as scum so it pings me

[Iconeum]

@Bella, did you provide a reason for targeting RCE?

[Iconeum]

I could compromise there if RCE scum but Skitter would have to have a hella bad game or just be predisposed to scumreading me

i'm not oblivious to bussing being a thing, but skitter did lead the scum lynch on saud D2, which counts for a lot in my book

[RCEnigma]

ok let's assume we lynch RCE and that flips scum

who's the third?

If we go with Mafiascum “balance” Skitter or a deep wolf or shos

I don’t see a lurker scum here and I don’t trust my d1 when I was disagreeing with Titus enough to see a shos/Xtoxm much as I think shos slipped other people don’t see it that way but shos would be a good compromise

If we go with my idea Skitter + someone else

Skitter knows my scum game too well and if I was scum I kill her each time
She’s one of the few people who read me right and the fact she is failing now is bad

For a Skitter + me team shos has to be town and saudade elected to push RC's buttons over securing a lynch on town.

For me + shos shos has to be scum at L-1 in a scenario that makes bussing who's profitable and saudade elected to push RC's buttons instead of garnering towncredit.

I guess that one kind of depends on who has what role in that scenario.

For the first if that is Saud’s town meta as people claim I would buy it as it denies information to analyze
For the latter again I don’t know Saud never played with them

Soooo *shrug*

My first exposure to saudade was him trolling as town and the only thing that made his alignment readable was town slipping around setup information. Really old game but Skitter was in it and can corroborate. Then the game FL was day 1 IC and all of saudades content amounted to "I'm giving the IC my vote" literally all of it. Or the I am mason game.

I've never seen him try to solve tbh.

[MathBlade]

I could compromise there if RCE scum but Skitter would have to have a hella bad game or just be predisposed to scumreading me

i'm not oblivious to bussing being a thing, but skitter did lead the scum lynch on saud D2, which counts for a lot in my book

Iirc RC lead it and just kept demanding Saud over and over and over

[RCEnigma]

ok let's assume we lynch RCE and that flips scum

who's the third?

Humor me and consider the converse for me. What changes when I flip town? What are your reads looking like in that case?

[MathBlade]

Spoiler: the phonemes in this sentence

Vote Count 2.12

Saudade

(4): RadiantCowbells, skitter30, Aristophanes, Iconeum

RadiantCowbells

(3): Saudade, RCEnigma, MathBlade

shos

(1): Flopz

Iconeum

(1): shos

Not voting (3): Bellaphant, Xtoxm, teacher

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to 4 PM PST on January 31st, in (expired on 2020-01-31 20:00:00).

Yeah RC lead by vote count

Not gonna go find the catalyst post at 1 am.

[MathBlade]

i can be here till ~10:30 est but then i gotta bounce, i have to be at work an hour and half early tomorrow, fml

Hey skitty! I too am around to chat atm if you got shit for me

I also have a 12 hour work day tomorrow so I feel ya ahaha

hey, how are you still feeling about the shos wagon ?

Heya!

I like the makeup of the wagon minus Flopz who should do SOMETHING but I kinda want to give the guy a chance here. He's legit putting efforts forth and I want to see what he has to say! And I have a feeling it might take an extra day phase to get that tbh. No harm in letting him live the day tbh because if he doesn't deliver he's done.

What do you think of a shift to Saudade?

flopz is scaring me tbh,
i kinda feel like he's had a lot of time to sort of gather thoguths and like ~play~ he's been here since mid-day1 already (like pre rc/tw i think because i remember he voted you during the ehight of your wagon in one of his first posts) and i still feel like we don't have much out of him

rc can you repeat why you're townreading flopz again? because i find that read to be kinda inexplicable.
also the bella one

i'm ok with shifting to saudade
VOTE: saudade

Yeah just okay to shift

Not a skitter driven wagon
It was a skitter sheep

[MathBlade]

@Bella, did you provide a reason for targeting RCE?

Bella’s probably town
Pitch mechanics lynch pool is RCE/Skitter/teacher/shos

Teacher has a weird associative if RCE is scum
Where he literally understands the read of him+RCE and gets it
Then complains when I never elaborated

It’s weird.

[Iconeum]

hmmm

[MathBlade]

Vt - hadn’t claimed because I was in class not on phone.

I’d like RCE to go next.

Driving shortly. Popcorn to ari

I wonder how RCE’s zero posts convinced Teacher to popcorn to Ari next

[MathBlade]

Vt - hadn’t claimed because I was in class not on phone.

I’d like RCE to go next.

Driving shortly. Popcorn to ari

I wonder how RCE’s zero posts convinced Teacher to popcorn to Ari next

Nope I am idiot missed the claim

[MathBlade]

Ugh. Another fun 1v1 “caught!scum” go round with RC. Is this like round 6? (math/flopz/ari/duck/skitter/math/RCE/am I missing any??)

Honestly I could give af at this point. This game sucks, and the thread is unreadable. Hope you’re proud.

Can you actually read this please.

Just the last 5 pages.

I did. I think I see what you’ve said but I’m fairly drunk so want to sober do it.

Holy shit Titus may not be so moonlogicky

Titus said Teacher +RCE and here when teacher avoids comment of RCE argument by RC is bad I kinda saw it
Then when RC made the argument and switched to Saud it was like grrrr

[RCEnigma]

Ugh. Another fun 1v1 “caught!scum” go round with RC. Is this like round 6? (math/flopz/ari/duck/skitter/math/RCE/am I missing any??)

Honestly I could give af at this point. This game sucks, and the thread is unreadable. Hope you’re proud.

Can you actually read this please.

Just the last 5 pages.

I did. I think I see what you’ve said but I’m fairly drunk so want to sober do it.

Holy shit Titus may not be so moonlogicky

Titus said Teacher +RCE and here when teacher avoids comment of RCE argument by RC is bad I kinda saw it
Then when RC made the argument and switched to Saud it was like grrrr

Titus hasn't made anything of the vote counts yet?

[MathBlade]

I will vote as well. We have time to allow for a claim. Let’s get one.

intent to L-1 or hammer - whatever. Saud claim.

Just L-1 teacher. As conf town I will have hammer so day ends when town wants.

Because you said this and it isn’t true. I’m a stickler for accuracy (hence my round and rounds with RC on overstating and whether something was a reversal or wasn’t). You’ve said similar things before, and it’s not accurate and this time I felt like pointing it out, while at the same time sharing that I thought the distinction was not substantive/impt.

Also start here when teacher complains about me scumreading his shade

[MathBlade]

Ugh. Another fun 1v1 “caught!scum” go round with RC. Is this like round 6? (math/flopz/ari/duck/skitter/math/RCE/am I missing any??)

Honestly I could give af at this point. This game sucks, and the thread is unreadable. Hope you’re proud.

Can you actually read this please.

Just the last 5 pages.

I did. I think I see what you’ve said but I’m fairly drunk so want to sober do it.

Holy shit Titus may not be so moonlogicky

Titus said Teacher +RCE and here when teacher avoids comment of RCE argument by RC is bad I kinda saw it
Then when RC made the argument and switched to Saud it was like grrrr

Titus hasn't made anything of the vote counts yet?

She probably has and hasn’t shared

She’s moonlogicky enough

There’s no way to paraphrase her VCA

[RCEnigma]

I will vote as well. We have time to allow for a claim. Let’s get one.

intent to L-1 or hammer - whatever. Saud claim.

Just L-1 teacher. As conf town I will have hammer so day ends when town wants.

Because you said this and it isn’t true. I’m a stickler for accuracy (hence my round and rounds with RC on overstating and whether something was a reversal or wasn’t). You’ve said similar things before, and it’s not accurate and this time I felt like pointing it out, while at the same time sharing that I thought the distinction was not substantive/impt.

Also start here when teacher complains about me scumreading his shade

In the world you're considering right now. Which is that that I was blocked trying to kill RC.

Doesn't that make Teachers statement and subsequent argument all true?