Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[RCEnigma]

ok let's assume we lynch RCE and that flips scum

who's the third?

Humor me and consider the converse for me. What changes when I flip town? What are your reads looking like in that case?

I want you to answer this first.

If we lynch you and you flip town

what would be your dying breath solve right now?

Gun to my head shos/Ari.

If shos were to flip town... Xtoxm/anyone that's not Bella Ico teacher? I don't really have a solve for Xtoxm scum.

[Iconeum]

That's why you are objectively the best lynch today.

First off, there is just a higher probability of scum targetting the monster that is RC on N1, which means you are scum.
Second, there are a lot more scumteam possibilities that include rather then exclude you.

When you asked what solve I have if you flip town, it's still hurting my brain.

[Iconeum]

Implicating we don't lynch RCE today, the same questions and suspicions around your slot won't be gone by any flip I think

[RCEnigma]

UNVOTE: math

I agree with Ico and this is purely by tone.

I want Ari because of my TvS read of the pair.

@RCE somewhere in my ketchup you said that was a one way ratchet. Which way, and why not the other?

Ari flipping scum pretty much exonerates math. I think the information I got from my team was that he's buss averse and math was fully content pushing Ari through day 1 and day 2.

On the other hand Ari flipping town doesn't necessarily make math scum. Being overzealous town is still a possibility in that case.

[Iconeum]

Ari flip doesn't do much for the game tho

or at least not as much as your flip

[RCEnigma]

That's why you are objectively the best lynch today.

First off, there is just a higher probability of scum targetting the monster that is RC on N1, which means you are scum.
Second, there are a lot more scumteam possibilities that include rather then exclude you.

When you asked what solve I have if you flip town, it's still hurting my brain.

I mean. It didn't happen, idk what else to tell you.

[RCEnigma]

Ari flip doesn't do much for the game tho

or at least not as much as your flip

I'm not fighting for an Ari flip. Mostly agreeing flipping Ari isn't a great sort for maths alignment.

[RCEnigma]

If I'm today's flip fine. But like, don't plug your ears and say no way. I'm trying to engage with you specifically because if claimed prs are all town the town has to play around you and your reads.

I know I'm a mislynch but you don't, I would very much like you to at least entertain worlds that make sense post flip so it's not some unexpected scramble the following day.

I can die today but make a fucking plan.

[Iconeum]

i'm trying to

and i'm also trying to account for the possibility of you being town

And i want to get it all out of the way today because i'm 99% sure the NK

[Iconeum]

UNVOTE:

VLA weekend

we have plenty of time, no lynch during weekend plz

[Iconeum]

@xtoxm, did you ever crumb being NB'd?

[Bellaphant]

Ari also hard defended and town cased saud scum when his iso was shit. It takes real effort to do that and I think we need to look at Ari again

[Iconeum]

there are several slots to revisit before ending this day

ari/shos

more on xtoxm

[Iconeum]

Ari also hard defended and town cased saud scum when his iso was shit. It takes real effort to do that and I think we need to look at Ari again

i specifically remember ari being hard on saud's ass, not defending him

[RCEnigma]

I think on isolated play (defenses and game state interaction) Ari seems really town. But RC made a couple association posts linking Ari with plum that make sense. I'd have to go through his iso to find them and that's a not right now job.

But from the top of my head the gist was light scumreading/light shading with an unwillingness to vote there. He may have been on the shos wagon that reached l-1 before RC backed off so Ari's vote coming before or after that observation was made would be worth looking into.

[Iconeum]

ari's 5355 is dedicated to saud defense

hmm

[Iconeum]

Spoiler:

Catching up.

I almost want to lynch Saudade so he will shut up!
And that''s saying something in a game this size.

Seriously tho I have considered him the weakest in my town pile as mentioned and am very close to shuffling him into the scum pile.

Sat what you will about going with the flow of the thread but that's where I'm at.

Also, he's fucking obnoxious to play with! Like damn man!

VOTE: Saudade

Yeeting this vote out there

I think I'm done here, 3 out of 5 of the votes on me are there simply because RC is there, the other 2 are scum.
What an awful bunch of sheep you all are

This defeatism feels manipulative and scummy tbh Saudade.

Ari, can we talk about something?

It seems somewhat out of character for you to want to lynch Saudade just to shut him up. Agree? Disagree?

Agree.

I think he has some scum potential and I like shos less for the lynch today, as noted.

Of those left, Saudade is the most likely lynch with the most scum equity, and I once again like the wagon makeup for the most part.

Unvote me before you go you dumdum

but I like this vote

You've literally never once this game given a reason that you don't want to lynch Saudade btw
Also, you guys have the worst mutual associatives of possibly any slot in the game? So the fact that you're both hard defending each other without giving reasons isn't helping anyone if you're town.

Also, this.

Alright
I don't wanna lynch Saudade
Can anyone of those on his wagon tell me why they are there, pleaz?

Why not? What about this slot seems towny to you??

Alright
I don't wanna lynch Saudade
Can anyone of those on his wagon tell me why they are there, pleaz?

Why not? What about this slot seems towny to you??

I should also clarify that I know I made the "these are townposts" post earlier, but overall the slot has scummy associatives and is in the potential lynchpool so it's really the optimal slot for today, as RC noted earlier.

i'm p happy to end the day with a saudade lynch

pedit yeah he thinks no lynching is a good idea here apparently

Cool!

I'm not moving my vote for peace

Frustrating.

Teacher, Bella, someone! Vote Saudade so Math can hammer plz

This day

Make it end

Please

I don't mind if this loynch fails to go through, NL is an eligible option the way I see it. You're all going to get a big fat I TOLD YOU SO when you say 'shit, what do we do with this one' in lategame regarding xtomx

What is it with you and no lynching?

What is it with you and xtoxm!?

Wtf is it with you and not wanting to see Saudade lynched!?!?!?!?

allllll of this is ari pushing the saud lynch however
specifically the memes don't read S/S to me, but also his approach to the lynch isn't S/S according to me

[RCEnigma]

You're damn right I'm shading the wagon, I've been pretty vocal about it too?

I mean, yes. I just think the way you are doing it gives you a high scum equity if/when Shos flips scum. Wanted to be sure it was indeed your intent.

MathBlade why would you declare intent to hammer on a person that has RC and skitter on their wagon
iirc you voted.. them both(?)

@Math
Can you address this please so I can address this please???

NVM I missed it.

MathBlade why would you declare intent to hammer on a person that has RC and skitter on their wagon
iirc you voted.. them both(?)

I am not.

Before someone hammers I want that answer.

I myself do not have intent.

Saudade that is a very scummy post from you and I feel like you're shading the wagon.

What is wrong, in your eyes, with voting someone you think is scum while others you think are scum are on the wagon, Saudade?

reread it, but slowly

Yes, I know what I said.

In a bubble where you scumread 3 ppl, 2 vote the third. You will refuse to vote your scumread because they are on the wagon?

Yeah idk if I'm on the right track with Ari/shos tbh.

[Iconeum]

Ari/saudude really don't read like S/S in iso'ing them both together

[RCEnigma]

Yeah I mean saudade had the same antagonistic approach to Ari that he had with me so it's hard to convince myself Ari is scum with him.

[RCEnigma]

This is mostly to Skitter but if you consider Tris/shos/Flopz a viable team, that team always nks RC.

[Iconeum]

Flopz is never ever scum this game

i've locktowned him

[Iconeum]

not ruling shos out however, even tho i think he was towning up lately

[RCEnigma]

I don't think Flopz is scum, I get Skitter pushing there. Or at least the argument makes sense.

[Iconeum]

RCE, why aren't you pushing shos harder?

From your PoV that should be lockscum?