White Flag - TM2020

[CheekyTeeky]

Wait wait. I can't handle all the town blocking. Maybe Cephrir is scum.

[CheekyTeeky]

No nevermind I'm good.

[Auro]

Ank says that independently she thinks Hop is most likely to flip scum

@Auro

Tl;Dr for Hopscum?

[Auro]

Dann, your team should discuss and come to a conclusion. Seems like Eddie wants Dong dead, Ank Hopkirk, and tw Cheeky.

I'm not sure what I'd want Ank to specifically look at in the game. Activity levels from a lot of suspect slots have been low.

[gobbledygook]

Yay you guys didn't lynch me. I will have more time to do this after tomorrow.

[Auro]

Dann, I'd like you and your team to read any of Gob's towngames, and tell me if his play here is any similar.

For example, his ISO here is short: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11553549

But there's clear gamesolving, questioning, etc. which isn't present at all in this game.

[Auro]

BBmolla --- Independently probably just town

Explain. I've seen nothing towny in his play.

[Donempire]

Ceph isnt scum...

The possible scumlist is down to Auro/Gob/Dann/Dong. I dont think dong is scum.

VOTE: Auro

This climate is perfect for scum to thrive. Theres chaos and no clear town leader and it seems like the FOS of everyone changes at a moments pace. Hopkirk/Former/BB/Ceph scum and you would expect them to come back to the thread to take control. You dont need to sell me on any one of them - they arent scum, pure and simple. we need to whittle the suspect list down from here.
We won. If you want, lynch me, we have mislynched. I'd rather have a clean victory but if you have doubts in your mind or think im not certain of it, you can take me.

[Donempire]

At Dong's post... Wow.

Why?

[Auro]

I dont think dong is scum

You don't say.

[Auro]

Given there are a few of us wanting to lynch Gobbles, and he's equally suspect in your eyes, why not vote him over me?

[CheekyTeeky]

Ceph isnt scum...

I know. It was a joke.

[CheekyTeeky]

Dong why'd you leave Hopkirk out of the target list?

[Dannflor]

Dann, your team should discuss and come to a conclusion. Seems like Eddie wants Dong dead, Ank Hopkirk, and tw Cheeky.

I'm not sure what I'd want Ank to specifically look at in the game. Activity levels from a lot of suspect slots have been low.

We’re pretty settled on Hopkirk... for right now. That might change as people catch up.

Duck hasn’t had time to read as much so he’s really only given passing thoughts.

[BBmolla]

BBmolla --- Independently probably just town

Explain. I've seen nothing towny in his play.

Stop closing your eyes

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Hopkirk

[Dannflor]

They're kinda ridiculous and I'd expect scum to have more subtlety in the bus to town cred equation

Not Gobble

Also, you quoted BB votes on Gobble to discount BB+Gobble team, that's the classic white flag Gambit.

Molla might be a better lynch than Gobble btw.

That’s why the team isn’t completely ruled out

[Dannflor]

Dann, I'd like you and your team to read any of Gob's towngames, and tell me if his play here is any similar.

For example, his ISO here is short: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11553549

But there's clear gamesolving, questioning, etc. which isn't present at all in this game.

Um... Auro you linked this game.

[Auro]

Sorry, tabs were next to each other. But yeah, any town game.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11475775

[Auro]

Wait, no, delete that post. Wrong link again

[Auro]

Oh nevermind, yeah that's the one, I thought the game was still in progress, thank god

[Dannflor]

This probably wasn't the answer you're looking for, but looking at both scum and town games from him, it looks like there is more gamesolvy questioning in his scum games, at least on the surface level.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=33140
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... ct[]=33140

I looked at those two games specifically. That said, I don't put a lot of stock into cold meta.

[Dannflor]

Dong, what makes Auro scummier than your other suspects?

Also, why have you cleared Cheeky suddenly?

[Auro]

I skimmed the first link of yours.
There are questions, mostly all empty and not gamesolving. It looks like a pretty big contrast from his questions in the towngame I linked (maybe I'm biasing)!
He follows up on questions in that game; does he do that in those scumgames too? I don't see any.

Chamber before your hiatus were you generally an accurate player?

Salamence20 are you literally talking to fans? Like the ones that blow air?

Chamber if you aren’t confident why is your vote stagnant?

That’s the second time you’ve levied that accusation against me. You sure it isn’t a playstyle difference between you and me, Looker?

VOTE: looker

Please answer my question

[Auro]

Dong's "solve" is extremely wonky. His scumpool is effectively Auro/Gobbles/Dann.
I'm trying to get Gob lynched, and Dann's willing to flip that too, so the only pair remaining is Dann+Auro.

And that solve doesn't match with his gamestate read (scum want to control the game or whatever).