Micro 918: Doggos Among Us [TOWN WIN]!

[dsjstr]

I agree with norwegian's 172, but I am worried about how convincing clidd is. When he shared his thoughts on the setup I saw that as NAI, any role could do that. The fact that I was already sussing Drew and then people started joining makes me

hesitant to join the wagon. If we did want to lynch Drew than I would want clidd to be the one to hammer. Right now I would have placed my vote on clidd if he wasn't already at L-2. I think part of my uneasy feeling is that you did vote for Drew rather

than me. What was the reasoning for that vote?

[clidd]

@Dsjstr

Do you prefer to be lynched instead of Doctor Drew ?

[clidd]

I am willing to hammer, if there is collaboration in voting.

[dsjstr]

@Dsjstr

Do you prefer to be lynched instead of Doctor Drew ?

Not at all but I am not sure about your reasoning behind voting Drew over me.

[clidd]

What exactly was not clear to you ?

[dsjstr]

I guess nothing

VOTE: Doctor Drew

I don't disagree with this lynch so I won't argue. He started the game sus and he hasn't done anything to change my mind.

[clidd]

@AaronFrost

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@NorwegianboyEE

Vote, i will hammer.

UNVOTE: Doctor Drew

[Hectic]

Why are you so eager to hammer, clidd? Don't you want someone who could potentially be scum to hammer? I haven't seen nearly enough from Drew to be happy with lynching him. We have almost 7 days so let's use it. My current preference would be Espeonage hammering Norwee actually, but these aren't confident reads, and I need to hear more from both Espeonage and Drew especially. Clidd, AaronFF, and Doro are tentative townleans.

Aaron and Espeonage, what do you think of this Drew wagon, do you think it's justified?

[clidd]

Norwegian is out of the question today. For me, the effort he put in when he answered me was something that I identified with. Doctor Drew is the most rational choice considering the other options, something that I believe, or at least believed, that you would be able to observe too.

[AaronFrost]

I am willing to hammer, if there is collaboration in voting.

I'm pretty sure we discussed this already but the decision on who hammers should be unanimous. You being willing to hammer Drew feels hasty and I don't like how you're trying to rush a Drew lynch.

[AaronFrost]

I am NOT willing to vote Drew at this point. Nothing he's done makes me believe that he has a > random chance at flipping wolf and no one has given a solid case against him either. Like yeah he's been inactive but he's also been V/LA so like maybe wait until his V/LA ends?

[Hectic]

Agreed. I'm confused as to why you're happy with hammering him yourself, Clidd. From a town perspective, you lose if he's town, how are you so confident he's scum, that you're willing to volunteer and take that risk?

[Hectic]

If Clidd is scum, it's with Drew and he's happy to bus him here for the sweet sweet towncred. I don't see scum!Clidd making this play willing to sacrifice himself over hammering a town Drew. That makes no sense.

[Hectic]

Norwegian is out of the question today. For me, the effort he put in when he answered me was something that I identified with. Doctor Drew is the most rational choice considering the other options, something that I believe, or at least believed, that you would be able to observe too.

Okay, but since Drew's only made 6 posts so far, are you not interested in hearing more from him first?

Also, could you explain why you gave in to Doro's demands for you being the one to hammer so easily? Most people have expressed a townread on you, so why not try to make someone else hammer instead?

[AaronFrost]

I agree with norwegian's 172, but I am worried about how convincing clidd is. When he shared his thoughts on the setup I saw that as NAI, any role could do that. The fact that I was already sussing Drew and then people started joining makes me

hesitant to join the wagon. If we did want to lynch Drew than I would want clidd to be the one to hammer. Right now I would have placed my vote on clidd if he wasn't already at L-2. I think part of my uneasy feeling is that you did vote for Drew rather

than me. What was the reasoning for that vote?

I think this might be indicative of a dsj/clidd partnership. The first bit looks like he's trying to distance by speaking about his hesitance towards the Drew lynch but then goes on to follow clidd's wagon on Drew despite the weak reasoning.

Not sure what this says about Drew's alignment unfortunately.

Hectic is now my strongest townread. I also realized that I have yet to play with scum!Hectic so I'm not entirely sure what his scumplay would look like

[Hectic]

Maybe, but I've actually liked Doro so far. The paranoia there and random thoughts about slips/signals he's given so far feel genuine to me.

[Hectic]

Here's my only scum game: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=81804

No one scumread me at any point, but it was a very memey game involving my partner getting lynched day 1, and the jester getting lynched day 2... which ended the game.

[Hectic]

I want to learn from the best, Aaron. Give me your top tips for playing scum. I understand if you don't want to waste your time with such mundane matters such as these though.

[clidd]

I agree with norwegian's 172, but I am worried about how convincing clidd is. When he shared his thoughts on the setup I saw that as NAI, any role could do that. The fact that I was already sussing Drew and then people started joining makes me

hesitant to join the wagon. If we did want to lynch Drew than I would want clidd to be the one to hammer. Right now I would have placed my vote on clidd if he wasn't already at L-2. I think part of my uneasy feeling is that you did vote for Drew rather

than me. What was the reasoning for that vote?

I think this might be indicative of a dsj/clidd partnership. The first bit looks like he's trying to distance by speaking about his hesitance towards the Drew lynch but then goes on to follow clidd's wagon on Drew despite the weak reasoning.

Not sure what this says about Drew's alignment unfortunately.

Hectic is now my strongest townread. I also realized that I have yet to play with scum!Hectic so I'm not entirely sure what his scumplay would look like

Norwegian is out of the question today. For me, the effort he put in when he answered me was something that I identified with. Doctor Drew is the most rational choice considering the other options, something that I believe, or at least believed, that you would be able to observe too.

Okay, but since Drew's only made 6 posts so far, are you not interested in hearing more from him first?

Also, could you explain why you gave in to Doro's demands for you being the one to hammer so easily? Most people have expressed a townread on you, so why not try to make someone else hammer instead?

It seems that the likelihood of defeat, from day one, is negatively influencing the read of the two of you, manifesting itself as a retroactive psychological barrier aggravated by the comprehensive parallel consideration, which is discriminated by the paradox of choice. This would explain the attitude of looking for answers that escape the present and try to structure a rational motivation to justify acts, which according to common sense, are considered illogical and can only be practiced if there is, as a rule, a premeditated intention, otherwise , it is suicide. As I have already explained, I intend to effectively execute the hammer action on the read that I consider the most plausible for me, not necessarily based on mechanical facts that prove it, but on interpersonal instincts that I used to determine my choice. I can't see, like you two, the weight of automatic defeat, in case I'm wrong, but I believe this is normal considering that Lylo's situation creates a more cautious atmosphere, where playing it safe is the most viable for the majority. I am aware of the consequences, but I intend to maintain my view of Doctor Drew, until there is definitely action on his part that changes that view. I agree that due to the absence of many members, today especially, it is necessary to wait until new comments are made and a common decision is taken, so that the mechanics of the hammer can be used intelligently. In fact, I considered the possible scenario of me being correct, Doctor Drew being lynched and confirmed as a scum, and the next day I would be suspicious for having encouraged, early, his sentence, featuring a buss that would take away my credibility as we progress from day 2 for 3, and weakening my position as a vocal antagonist. In that case, I would choose to use today's rule in reverse, with me being voted on and Doctor Drew hammering, so we would both be eliminated and all theories about a possible coercive coding on my part would be disregarded, making room for you to work in a more peaceful resolution of the match.


Logically, my conduct may appear to be a little atypical, but I consider that each one has their own playstyle. I will await a response from Doctor Drew.

[clidd]

If the double elimination scenario I mentioned occurs, I would like to suggest two names that will guide the outcome of the match.

[clidd]

And one of them is not you, Hectic.

[Hectic]

In that case, I would choose to use today's rule in reverse, with me being voted on and Doctor Drew hammering, so we would both be eliminated and all theories about a possible coercive coding on my part would be disregarded, making room for you to work in a more peaceful resolution of the match.

There's no nights in this game. You as town lynching Drew who is scum is always better than Drew as scum lynching town-you, which results in both of you dying.
This is because in the case where you're town who hammered and suspected the next day for bussing Drew, mislynching you still puts us in the same position as scum-Drew hammering town-you (5 players alive, 2 scum). The difference being it's not guaranteed we mislynch you, and we still get info if we do.

That was a pain to explain, but basically, I'm even more confused as to why you'd be okay with that suggestion.

[Hectic]

If the double elimination scenario I mentioned occurs, I would like to suggest two names that will guide the outcome of the match.

Two names that are scum or town?

[clidd]

If the double elimination scenario I mentioned occurs, I would like to suggest two names that will guide the outcome of the match.

Two names that are scum or town?

Town.

[clidd]

In that case, I would choose to use today's rule in reverse, with me being voted on and Doctor Drew hammering, so we would both be eliminated and all theories about a possible coercive coding on my part would be disregarded, making room for you to work in a more peaceful resolution of the match.

There's no nights in this game. You as town lynching Drew who is scum is always better than Drew as scum lynching town-you, which results in both of you dying.
This is because in the case where you're town who hammered and suspected the next day for bussing Drew, mislynching you still puts us in the same position as scum-Drew hammering town-you (5 players alive, 2 scum). The difference being it's not guaranteed we mislynch you, and we still get info if we do.

That was a pain to explain, but basically, I'm even more confused as to why you'd be okay with that suggestion.

Which information do you think is possible to obtain, and what would you think about my push on Doctor Drew ?