Mini Normal 2114: Game Over

[insomnia]

you don't have to understand, you just have to trust me ank

i know i have a shit past but I've evolved, I promise. It's actually a good case, a lot of you people on MS don't apply this method of hunting from what I've seen and nobody really understands me when i make cases. I've evolved a bit from the time I was a mere RC junior, but i'd not think, just the tunneling part.

My hunting is based on TMI and mentality analysis.

Scum are informed, therefore they already have all the answers. Scum don't actually sort anyone. They can't fake having an organic evolution, town have to spool their thoughts as to how they get to a certain read. Scum have a much harder time doing that.

Which is what Bob is doing. Please, just read his ISO, for the first 20 pages he's not chasing anything. He's not expressing any disagreement / concern for anything, it's just questions, questions, questions.

[insomnia]

you're younger than me aren't you

yes boomer

[Ankamius]

Idk that sounds like how he plays every time I see him

Like I'm pretty certain I saw more stances when I was scum with him

[insomnia]

Like, there's no follow-up to anything. I can perhaps compare to you how a villager progresses with their question and then place it next to bob and maybe then you'll get it, idk

[Ankamius]

you're younger than me aren't you

yes boomer

awwwww you're a sapling :3

[Ankamius]

Like, there's no follow-up to anything. I can perhaps compare to you how a villager progresses with their question and then place it next to bob and maybe then you'll get it, idk

can you show your reads along this metric for me

[insomnia]

Ank, give me that game of yours from which you town read bob. I will skim through and compare it to his play this game.

[insomnia]

Like, there's no follow-up to anything. I can perhaps compare to you how a villager progresses with their question and then place it next to bob and maybe then you'll get it, idk

can you show your reads along this metric for me

in my first post, the spoiler gives my notes from catching up, they are to like page 20, you will see I start with a town lean on bob but then fades away, it's before i received my pm.

[insomnia]

Salamence20
what do you think of some of the actions and reactions so far?

Not sure if i should be happy or sad... I am really letting down the title of Lynchbait King. But to be sure nothing I do in the first few pages of mafia is an indicator 0f my allignment.

Not sure about Sal but I am leaning town.

Jorge kind of feels like he is trying to find a reason to vote Sal which I do not not really like. This has to do with Jorge and not the alignment of Sal.
Want to go back and comb through the responses so far

BTW my Sal read id purely a gut feeling.... which I do not take too seriously. Just trying to figure things out

here, let's look at this for example. Presumably, TFL had a gut ping on Sal about something. Notice how he asked him a question that helps him trying to sort his alignment, presumably because he scum read him and wanted more out of him.

Bob literally didn't have as simple of a progression as this in his whole ISO.

I will take someone else.

[Detective Pikachu]

I still think the naked l1 is kinda unusual for sausage, like a scumbuddy told him to bus rather than mztching his town meta that usually explains votes after rvs

I feel like rereading just leads me in circles and I'm back to wanting to lynch in sausage/bob...

[Detective Pikachu]

Also need to slap pine with a fish

[insomnia]

Kanna hasn't obvtowned yet

VOTE: Kanna

Neither has anyone else. VOTE: Nicholai

Kanna hasn't obvtowned yet

VOTE: Kanna

Neither has anyone else. VOTE: Nicholai

is there any other reason to vote me? or is this vote based on that kanna comment?

No, just the kanna comment.

Kanna hasn't obvtowned yet

VOTE: Kanna

Neither has anyone else. VOTE: Nicholai

is there any other reason to vote me? or is this vote based on that kanna comment?

No, just the kanna comment.

so knowing what now i've said about my history with kanna, has that made you change that opinion?

No. Meta is never a good indicator, so it doesn’t change my mind. What you and everyone else does in this game might though.

self voting means you don’t have to do anything noticeable
until now >:)

Can someone tell me what is in these pictures? They appear to contribute to the discussion, but they won't display for me.

meta's a great indicator but i understand if you dislike using it since it can be off putting to newer players

however, since you now know my kanna vote was based off meta knowledge, why is it still scummy since your original reason was based off the logic that i wasn't treating her slot equally to others who also hadn't obvtowned

If I haven't played with someone, I have no meta with them. Therefore, I cannot use meta to make a judgement on them. Therefore, from my point of view, your vote appears illogical, and therefore scummy at this early stage.

I think Nicholai is town now, so UNVOTE:
Pisskop’s 261 doesn’t contribute to the discussion in any way, as does Invisibility’s 281.
However, I’m really not liking what Winpy’s saying, so VOTE: Wimpy.

Here, this progression now. Sau had a great vote on Nicholai, which I think later explains that he thought was buddying. He wants more out of Nicholai here, so he interacts ONLY with him for the next few pages. He even focused on fucking images, there's no way a scum gives a fuck about that lmfao. And then, he probably saw his other posts and changed his vote.

He saw something scummy, focused on discerning that person's alignment, wanted something to gain out of it, then they look elsewhere.

Bob has been looking in that "elsewhere" since the start.

starting to see what I mean?

[Detective Pikachu]

Yeah sau's early iso does look like towngame, it's only the nom wagon stuff that pings me

[insomnia]

Bob has TMI of everyone's alignments, that's why he isn't interested at all in people's responses or is focused on one particular person.

There's no real scum agenda, there's the lack of a town agenda. This is not a town agenda that Bob has. It's not discerning anyone's alignments, he just keeps asking questions.

And that Sala thing is so incriminatory I just can't understand how it doesn't stand out to you lol, he's literally helping him from the dirt DESPITE essentially saying that he though sala's stance was weird. like what

[bob3141]

No, I'm saying exactly this :

Your questions don't help you discern anyone's alignment. The only actual stances you express in the thread are based on 3 posts and not follow-ups to your questions. Your questions are leading up to nothing. You don't follow up on them. You ask someone a question, then ask someone else a question with complete disregard for the last person that was inquired.

And the thing I didn't like the most was that you didn't take a stance on Sala's vote and chose to get him out the dirt by asking to clarify for the vote, rather than take a stance on it.

You just don't take any stances, your questions don't lead you to stances, I don't know why you're asking questions if you aren't gonna form reads based on the answers to those questions.

A lot of it is that poor handling of Sala, but I admit it could be confirmation bias. But only that part. The rest of it is not confirmation bias.

my question never lead to anything. Thats not how i work. I try to spread as many trip wires around so that after a few flipps i have information that will be very telling on each players alignment.


just to be clear i was barley paying any attention to the thread before sal got reped. was focusing heavily on other games. And even then i wasnt giving more than hour to mafia a day for that week. why i am so understandign of gjt early lurking. as im in similar boat. for reference if im in the top half of posters i think most of teh game is lurking as im a low poster.

My questions are delibertly shaped. There meant to catch scum by the player not even knowing what im looking for. Think discworlds descriptiion of good ambassador. Make them feel you know nothing until you steal there socks from within their shoes while they are wearing them without them noticing. its writen better than that in the book.

If you let them clear know what your lookign for. The scum i am questioning will try to avoid it. Town dont care as they have nothign to hide. They act differently. But if you let them know they can fake.

[insomnia]

If bob doesn't flip red I'd be really fucking impressed.

[Ankamius]

I really wish the duck was here

[insomnia]

my question never lead to anything. Thats not how i work. I try to spread as many trip wires around so that after a few flipps i have information that will be very telling on each players alignment.

This is how i caught someone that's scum. No way a town cares for this stuff. They want to find shit out as soon as possible, let alone thinking 3 weeks ahead when there's the possibility they don't even get to live anymore.

you find spew on anything, you will always have information after a lynch.

a town would never care for this stuff honestly

[insomnia]

ank give me that one bob game where he was town

[Detective Pikachu]

I really wish the duck was here

am I not fuzzy or snuggly enough for you?

I'm just kidding, i like snuggles with duckling too

[Ankamius]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Here's two games for you insomnia

[bob3141]

can we talk about finished 2020 games

[Detective Pikachu]

We can talk about any completed game

[insomnia]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Here's two games for you insomnia

it took me literally 1 minute to scroll through his iso in the first one to find a progression on SS, ank

are you wolfing, ank?

[bob3141]

i was focusing on that game. i was largley ignoring this one until we had got 2 scum down.