Mini Normal 2114: Game Over

[insomnia]

me

[Detective Pikachu]

Salamence20
what do you think of some of the actions and reactions so far?

Not sure if i should be happy or sad... I am really letting down the title of Lynchbait King. But to be sure nothing I do in the first few pages of mafia is an indicator 0f my allignment.

Not sure about Sal but I am leaning town.

Jorge kind of feels like he is trying to find a reason to vote Sal which I do not not really like. This has to do with Jorge and not the alignment of Sal.
Want to go back and comb through the responses so far

BTW my Sal read id purely a gut feeling.... which I do not take too seriously. Just trying to figure things out

here, let's look at this for example. Presumably, TFL had a gut ping on Sal about something. Notice how he asked him a question that helps him trying to sort his alignment, presumably because he scum read him and wanted more out of him.

Bob literally didn't have as simple of a progression as this in his whole ISO.

I will take someone else.

oh here it is

somni is this like a fuzzy townread or was this just a townie thought process?

[Detective Pikachu]

We have been all taken to nice padded rooms

@ Pikachu
This is my more relaxed play which tends to indicate a town Fuzzy. though I know my meta so you have to take this with a grain of salt.
It would kind of make sense that we would have a watcher and a tracker which would equal a whole cop role if I remember right so it's likely Gjt is also town. It's possible that there was two scum on the chopping block but given the l chance of that it seems unlikely, Alao it seems more likely scum would push for a scum Gjt given Noms role. Like your thoughts though

@Flavor
Part of me wants to lynch Gjt if no other reason then to see his flip. I might give clarity of the 1st day lynch. Not sure but I think you might be right about the
looker wagon

Thought
743 seems odd given Nom flipped scum. Kinda feel like maybe a soft defense of Jorge. Hmmm

the other towncase on fuzzy

@Looker, what do you think of fuzzy arguing he's town off meta?

[bob3141]

im starting to think insomnia just read the thread saw dp scum read me. saw that looker was asking silly questions about answer and thought this will be an easy mislynch.

now we have ank at teh time beign wagoned and just like during day one im just not that sure on her. As she is the weakest of my scum reads and if fl is rigth about her then she is scum. But if she is town then i feel thats it means flav and ank are tvt.

now she was stublenly town read nom that day. But would scum still defend some in such away. Knowing that with a claimed power role her lynch would likely go through.
Im not sure on the motive here. Although she claims to not care about pr. I do know that ank think town normaly has to much power. So that coudl easily be her thinking gjt is scummy and town will have pleanty of power. thats its worth teh risk.

I would have expect scum to make more of case why she didnt care about gjt claim when i asked her. So if ank isnt scum tehn what of those voting her.

Now she might be in position to be scum read from associations with nom day one. But is that enough to have even for bit pushed to l-1.

[bob3141]

Salamence20
what do you think of some of the actions and reactions so far?

Not sure if i should be happy or sad... I am really letting down the title of Lynchbait King. But to be sure nothing I do in the first few pages of mafia is an indicator 0f my allignment.

Not sure about Sal but I am leaning town.

Jorge kind of feels like he is trying to find a reason to vote Sal which I do not not really like. This has to do with Jorge and not the alignment of Sal.
Want to go back and comb through the responses so far

BTW my Sal read id purely a gut feeling.... which I do not take too seriously. Just trying to figure things out

here, let's look at this for example. Presumably, TFL had a gut ping on Sal about something. Notice how he asked him a question that helps him trying to sort his alignment, presumably because he scum read him and wanted more out of him.

Bob literally didn't have as simple of a progression as this in his whole ISO.

I will take someone else.

Here we go you shading me again. I thought it woudl be quite clear from te questions to you slot that were my reasoning was taking me

[bob3141]

now the lst 2 votes on gtj were both cast in the last few hours.

now with the votes heavily split on vc before this wagon formed with 8 players with different votes and only 7 players votes involved.

Now rex 4 wagon was topped off by ank after he had repped in.

Started to catch up the last 4 days. To see where the lien of reasoing for gjt vote was for teh later joiners as they voted gjt made his catch up. And although i couldnt realy see much that wasnt null to me with slight town lean. I dont get why they appeared.

As looking back through kanna iso it all leads back to kanna think gjt looked bad in regards to a post. one of teh ones he asked about nom prior slots reads. Which is something a player might ask and not something that would realy mark out a player as scummy. After all it was line of questioning. Kanna what about gjt ctach up leaves your sure he is scum. So much so you dont need any line of questioning to put to him? If you arnt certain what questions do you want to ask him?

Then we have invis where a search of gtj only gives me his vote. what about his catchup makes you think he is scummy? Just liek kanna what questions do you want to put to him while we have time. As it is quite blind to even join a null lynch with even asking a question to try and see if your right.


Now to see how the bulk progressed during this time

Willing to vote nomnom tomorrow since it looks like we aren't going Gjt

@Rex, is nomnomnom your top scumread then?

So your willing to lynch either of two pr claims? You say you would find gjt being alive suspect but you dont say why dont think its a good idea to leave him for teh next day phase. And say you happy to lynch the other fesh pr claim now that it looks liek you cant get gjt.

kanna you never answered my question on why you were so happy to lynch a potential pr claim yesterday. You only voted nom after you pushed for gjt lynch even after gtj claimed pr. When lynching pr claim on day one is never good for town as there is so much risk of actualy lynching a town pr.

What persuaded you in last day that nom was scum. Did you vote for him simply because you saw you couldnt get gjt and her lynch was the only alternative to your prefered lynch of gjt the claimed town pr. Or did the position of gjt and nom change. After a majority of players said they were not interested in risking lynching a pr claiment that day.


What do you now think of gjt full claim.

And how did you nom read progressed as at time you were still saying get gjt and that nom should be lycnhed tommorrow.

kanna you never answered my question on why you were so happy to lynch a potential pr claim yesterday. You only voted nom after you pushed for gjt lynch even after gtj claimed pr. When lynching pr claim on day one is never good for town as there is so much risk of actualy lynching a town pr.

What persuaded you in last day that nom was scum. Did you vote for him simply because you saw you couldnt get gjt and her lynch was the only alternative to your prefered lynch of gjt the claimed town pr. Or did the position of gjt and nom change. After a majority of players said they were not interested in risking lynching a pr claiment that day.


What do you now think of gjt full claim.

And how did you nom read progressed as at time you were still saying get gjt and that nom should be lycnhed tommorrow.

I wasn’t “so happy to lynch to lynch a PR claim yesterday”. And I know, that’s why I switched to nomnomnom. I did hesitate for a moment cause Gjt was guessing roleblocker, which imo, looked like he was covering his bases if he should live tomorrow, but that was it.

Wrt to the wagons; I honestly wasn’t confident on either and for me, it was about which one was a bit more likely than the other rather than I was fully convinced of any. Thinking back, nomnom flipping scum did make sense; I thought sala was kinda scummy.

Also I have no reason to believe Gjt isn’t town after that claim.

So why switch so late. as gjt had roleclaimed for some time before you eventualy switched from gtj to nom. You say you hesitated but you also say you were not confident on either wagon. So why would you stay for even a few hours after seeing gtj had claimed pr. As clearly as you say in that post you were not that confident on gjt being scum. So why risk lynchign a pr if you were not as you say confident. Why not unvote straight away and leave him for another day. Instead of sitting on a wagon that was tied with nom a flipped scum. You might not as you claimed be confident enough to lynch nom but why not push else where or even push nom to get more answers. To improve your read on her. Then risk lynching a pr on day one.


How did your read on sal slot change between the differetn reps. from sal to nom to MB. As you say back then you thought sal was kinda scummy back then but how did that chnage. And how did it compare to you view of gjt.

[insomnia]

Yeah, anyone still doubting this?

[bob3141]

@Looker; It *was* pivotal though because it shifted the leading wagon from Nomnomnom to Gjt. Also I checked and you weren’t asking Gjt anything (not that you should have been voting him if you wanted him to answer at a time like that anyway) so why did you do it?

@bob; can you answer me please?

The reason as always for extra questions is that more info is always better

So at the point you voted nom who were your top 3 scum reads. other than gtj if that was your top scum read. As i cant realy much from you mentioning nom other than in relation to someone else interactign with her. For instance you push gjt over first beign unsure and then appearing sure later according to you.


So your saying you voted nom as you thought no other wagon other than nom or gjt had a chance of going through. And since gjt wagon clearly had no chance as he claimed pr. Am i right in thinking that you felt you had no other choice than to vote nom.

What i dont get is if you had been unsure on nom and gjt. why you would of tried to push somewhere else. instead for quite a while in effect you say your ok with nom but dont say why but continue to push for gjt lynch. Its that deally i dont get and my gut is saying you were edging your bets.

its that lack of realy looking else where at the time. And no real questions from you pitched to nom/mb. If you were town i would of thought you would be trying to sort nom and other players at that time. To figure out if nom is in fact scum or if you could find hints as to who else could be scum.

[insomnia]

How did you even get to “but ank thinks town has too much power anyway so let’s take the risk of lynching a pr”

Also, why is FL never scum no matter what Ank flips? Why do you town read him?

[insomnia]

I had a fuzzy town lean based on stuff posted on my first post in this thread but that was just an example of town thought process

[Pine]

What the fuck, people. Fourteen pages in half a day? Stahp.

[bob3141]

then i hit my working week and then you repped in today.

VOTE: isomnia

i can only assume you knew where my vote was going and wanted to get ahead.

i can only assume again im to close for comfort

[bob3141]

How did you even get to “but ank thinks town has too much power anyway so let’s take the risk of lynching a pr”

Also, why is FL never scum no matter what Ank flips? Why do you town read him?

from the scum game ank linked. I could beleive her not caring about a town pr if she thought it was just scum trying to save his neck. Its more of meta read, i wasnt quite sure on.

[Detective Pikachu]

What the fuck, people. Fourteen pages in half a day? Stahp.

@Pine --
Invisibility, SausasaurusRex, TheFuzzylogic99, bob3141, Gjt

sell me town in one of those 5 names

[insomnia]

then i hit my working week and then you repped in today.

VOTE: isomnia

i can only assume you knew where my vote was going and wanted to get ahead.

i can only assume again im to close for comfort

[bob3141]

How did you even get to “but ank thinks town has too much power anyway so let’s take the risk of lynching a pr”

Also, why is FL never scum no matter what Ank flips? Why do you town read him?

two games were he was scum. He looks nothing like those two.

Only lost a town game when he was scum

Might have had the right solve for one but he setup skellen well before he was lynched. I only spotted it after lynching scum a50. but it was already to late when as i was nked. since a50 fliped enabler

[Detective Pikachu]

Also, why is FL never scum no matter what Ank flips? Why do you town read him?

this game is like a case study in all the things boon does as town tbh

[insomnia]

All of your reads are based on meta

What. Did. You. Infer. From. The. Questions. You. Asked. In. This. Game????

[insomnia]

This is my whole point of my case. You deduct nothing from your questions and are asking questions just for the gist of it. All your reads are lazy and based on meta.

[insomnia]

I will purely be judging everyone on their actions on this game because I'm too lazy nor have the time to go check up on the history of everyone. Maybe its something I can pick up after a few more games here.

I will probably be playing in a way which you won't like and will observe a lot more before posting as a lot of what I see is basing current posts from previous games.

From what I've seen if Nicolai is Town probably won't last long because from experience Scum tend to hate active Townies. Chances are we will mislynch D1 unless someone seriously slips which is why scum often stay quiet D1 (not helping myself there) they'll spread their votes across Town. Not sure how many you usually get on a team here, but one I expect to vote/push one of their team mates. A lot of this phase is keeping track of the votes and who people chop and change too.

I don't have any strong leads yet, maybe a couple now leaning a little towards Town, but as said previously in my mind you are all Scum until you have convinced me otherwise

It’s up to you, but I would recommend skimming through one or two past games for someone you’re gonna seriously vote cause it makes a big difference. For example, I thought fuzzy’s earlier posts were off tonally(?) + the self vote felt weird but meta tells me it isn’t off for him. It doesn’t mean he’s not scum but it does mean those things aren’t scum indicative for him if that makes sense

I find that very hard to do. You can get meta feel from players you played with before but its very hard I find to get a feel of player from their past games. If you have no experience with them before. In one of my earlier games i was only able to make my first meta scum read as I had played in 4 games where that player had been town. So could tell the difference in how he was playing.

[Detective Pikachu]

boon/nom is not really s/s
boon's shitty push on wimpy is very reflective of town boon
boon's shitty push on ank slot is also very reflective of town boon
town boon losing his shit because I townblocked his scumread is very indicative of town boon
boon continuing to fight me and reanalyze for like 20 pages makes me want to dub him an IC
also I don't think nom tiltreplaces out when boon was bussing her

you can tell he's actually thinking about the game even though he's wrong on two of the most important reads for his understanding of the game

[Detective Pikachu]

in case anyone was wondering why boon is town

[Detective Pikachu]

I know those questions were at bob but I don't want people getting confused and forgetting that boon is town

[bob3141]

ok then provide me with very question you are pushing that i learnt nothing. and i tell you what i was aiming to learn that contributed to my current reads.

[Detective Pikachu]

I spent like half an hour on this and now it's probably too small to read dammit