Newbie 1982 | Cellular Automata | Over

[Luca Blight]

I pushed others like you wanted, and what have you done in the meantime? Literally nothing, until I called you out on it.

Your flip solves a lot if you're scum. If you happen to be Town then it's still not the end of the world as you're a VT and a highly dubious slot.

Ok, explain how is solves allot if I’m scum.

Jackson was the one who claimed it teaches us a lot, so why are you directing this question to me?

But anyway, any scum flip naturally solves a lot - due to associations and the literal fact that half the game is solved before any Town blood is shed.

[DkKoba]

TSE *** sorry there is an epicmafia user named flygon and I mixed your names up

[DkKoba]

I pushed others like you wanted, and what have you done in the meantime? Literally nothing, until I called you out on it.

Your flip solves a lot if you're scum. If you happen to be Town then it's still not the end of the world as you're a VT and a highly dubious slot.

Ok, explain how is solves allot if I’m scum.

Jackson was the one who claimed it teaches us a lot, so why are you directing this question to me?

But anyway, any scum flip naturally solves a lot - due to associations and the literal fact that half the game is solved before any Town blood is shed.

honestly with only 2 mafia, it is worse sometimes for town dependent on how mechanically the game goes if scum is super obvious early on and lynched too quickly as partner reads are oftentimes not able to be established. but i digress with my take on mafia theory

[TrueSoulEnergy]

this is a bit frustrating bc i dont want to waste d1 on TSE bc I genuinely read them as of right now as dumb town, their play makes little sense from a scum pov. although theyve just given nooby vibes in general. TSE I want you to reexplain why you have done what you have done so far. Give us some insight into your intentions.

I feel like Bugs is probably the scum on my wagon if there was one.
I can’t seem to make Luca realize I’m Town, so he’s either Town whom just doesn’t like me at all or Mafia who’s trying some bitch play.
Chaz has some Townie posts but also some scummy ones so I’m uncertain.
I’m not entirely sure what alignment you are as I’ve been more focused on trying to defend myself on Luca’s pushes on me that I didn’t have time to look outside of (3 Vote Wagon + Chaz).
Like I ain’t going to lie to you Luca, maybe you do feel I’m a shit slot but still.
Doesn’t mean I’m the best lynch for today, just means I haven’t been playing my best.
Although that’s partly due to me attempting to engage with you to try and show you I’m Town.

Actually you know what.
Since you already put me near hammer, I’m not engaging with you further today so I can get more reads on everyone else.
IDC if you scum read me, I ain’t flipping scum here kiddo.

[DkKoba]

TSE are you ok? I'm literally just trying to get u to be open about the actions youve done and why you did them

[TrueSoulEnergy]

For the last time, I'm not voting you for your Mason claim.

What are your reads?

Never said you were.
I said it started with that and everything I do to defend it you thinks scummy more and more.
You say that isn’t the case but in reality it is.
What do you scum read me for?
Now think for a sec.
If I didn’t claim mason would that have occurred for you to scum read me for?
The answer would be no.

-This is my last engagement with you, take it as you will.

[DkKoba]

I basically am asking you to ISO yourself and tell us more about what your thought processes were when u did/said what you did earlier in this day

[TrueSoulEnergy]

TSE are you ok? I'm literally just trying to get u to be open about the actions youve done and why you did them

-Mason Claim
-Defending Myself
-Do my thing

Honestly, I wanted to start the game with a meme Claim. But people don’t like it here and think it’s scum motivated.
I remember Luca “Oh they claim it to look PR so they don’t get lynched for today and earn Town credit”
Yeah sure whatever, I’m just a Town doing a simple fake claim but yeah sure I’m the god damn Godfather.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I basically am asking you to ISO yourself and tell us more about what your thought processes were when u did/said what you did earlier in this day

Elaborate.
I also GTG to sleep for work in the morning.
I’ll try and get back to you before work if I’m not hammered by then.

[Luca Blight]

Your play in general has been completely focused on self-preservation rather than trying to solve the game. If you're Town then saying 'I'm not scum', or words to that effect over and over isn't going to change my mind.

Right now you are objectively, from a Town standpoint of not knowing everyone's alignment, the best lynch. You are doing nothing to solve the game, are at best a distraction and will continue to be so, are never getting NK, and are at worst a VT. I don't mean to be harsh but this is simply the fact of the matter.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

UNVOTE: Anyone I voted

I’ll maybe try and re-evaluate in the morning.
IDK if all Town just push on me like that or not.

[Luca Blight]

TSE are you ok? I'm literally just trying to get u to be open about the actions youve done and why you did them

-Mason Claim
-Defending Myself
-Do my thing

Honestly, I wanted to start the game with a meme Claim. But people don’t like it here and think it’s scum motivated.
I remember Luca

“Oh they claim it to look PR so they don’t get lynched for today and earn Town credit”

Yeah sure whatever, I’m just a Town doing a simple fake claim but yeah sure I’m the god damn Godfather.

Where did I say this quote?

And for the love of God, please stop making out the only reason I SR you is for the Mason claim - that has nothing to do with it.

[DkKoba]

alright based on TSE's last couple pages I think I'm set on hammering them, but I'd like more interaction before I do so. (im sorry im like this but i like drawing stuff out to get as much town discussion possible and getting good reads) also TSE is not really engaging well + they claimed VT so really this is the optimal lynch right now as to be able to hide PRs.
I was hoping they would actually give me more info should they have believed I hard townread them, but it seems they stubbornly clung to their playstyle. (although that could be read more as town.)

I think the discussion for the rest of d1 should be "who is TSE's partner should they flip scum"[color]

[DkKoba]

I think the discussion for the rest of d1 should be "who is TSE's partner should they flip scum"

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[Luca Blight]

UNVOTE:

Getting a bad feeling from those posts ^

[DkKoba]

UNVOTE:

Getting a bad feeling from those posts ^

Is TSE town now?

[DkKoba]

Or am I wrong in my reasoning

[Luca Blight]

Like how do you go so quicky from

'TSE is Town, their play makes little sense as scum'

, to '

Ok TSE is sticking to their playstyle (which might be town btw) but I'll hammer them soon'.

There is something unnatural about this progression.

[Luca Blight]

UNVOTE:

Getting a bad feeling from those posts ^

Is TSE town now?

Why would you assume I think that simply based on an unvote?

The fact you're positioning yourself to hammer like that causes me to doubt your alignment, which in turn causes me to doubt whether my read on TSE is correct.

[DkKoba]

Alright, this is going to sound weird, but imma have to bring up my meta as a player on epicmafia(kinda fillery post incoming, but it will explain why I do this):

on epicmafia, sometimes someone who is obvious scum will try their best to delay things and fight back and out of anger just not participate and help the gamesolve happen
so a tactic I like to use to counter this is to lead them to believe that I townread them, this makes them think that I trust them and they can be more relaxed and open and save themselves through me.
what I am really doing is either a) getting them to self for hammer(thats sometimes how votes go on epicmafia) OR b) get them to out crucial tells that can help gamesolve(since they may start to bus in an obvious way etc)
what happened here was that TSE is hardfocused in not being cooperative that they just straight seem to have given up because of what I perceive to be a tactical scum blunder. I DO see why their mason claim may make sense from a scum pov(its just not very effective).
I hope that clears up a little on why I said what I said.
My early game reads are often things I do to misdirect scum, or get my actual reads to help gamesolve. Its not the most conventional style but it helps create discussion and gamesolve nearly always.

[DkKoba]

And I am asking you if TSE is town since an unvote on someone you wanted lynched is typically an indicator you no longer scumread them, is that the case here?

[Luca Blight]

So what was the whole Bugs/Volxen thing about? A misdirection?

Of course me unvoting TSE doesn't automatically mean I TR them - I just want to think more before the day is ended.

[DkKoba]

It was trying to kill 2 birds with 1 stone, although TSE did force my hand with their stubbornness.
I wanted to get both bugs and volxen to get a reaction to my reads so I could specifically read those 2 together better.

[Luca Blight]

Why did the stubborness force your hand, especially when you recognized yourself that this can be a Town trait?

And just to be clear, you never actually thought Bugs and Volxen are scum together - you just wanted to get a read on them (implying they're null)?

[DkKoba]

I didn't like bugs' tone + volxen has been an inactive slot who I wanted to get more of a read on especially.
And TSE has just been consistently anti-town, I just can't deal with that. It's annoying and doesn't help us.
TSE's tone reads towny but just I cant ignore how much their actions scream scum.