Micro 918: Doggos Among Us [TOWN WIN]!

[Hectic]

@AaronFF: Have you played with Norwee!scum before? Have you ever seen him rage as scum?

[Hectic]

Because I kinda haven't which is worrying me slightly now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ugh sorry about that. I really don’t like this specific game so far. I see enemies everywhere and i feel like i’m just seen as a juicy steak who hungry scum players are looking to jump on to facilitate the mislynch required to win LYLO. I really think i should be lynched and hammered by Hectic this game, because i swear to god i felt like i was moments away from hallucinating scum!hectic jumping out from under my bed holding a knife mere moments ago.

[Hectic]

Could I get all your reads in order, Norwee? A shotgun list without reasons is fine, though they would massively help.

Also, I'm

always

lurking, but I wouldn't be stupid enough to hide under your bed. Don't check the closet.

[Hectic]

You know, upon a reread, I can see potential in your posts coming from a more well meaning but misled townie mindest. I should cut you some slack.
My reads are as follows: Norwee < Doro/Drew < Clidd/Espeonage < Aaron

Doro on the other hand has been focusing too much on catching Wolves slip up and doesn't actually look very interested to solve. Initially, I thought this was coming from a townie mindset, but upon reconsideration, Wolves are going to be more hyper-aware of slips because they're more aware of their strange situation, and might even be thinking about signalling. So wolf!Doro is gonna think it's normal to look out for such slips if he wants to look like a townie.

I think I'm getting pretty good at metareading Drew at this point, I'm 4/4 on his alignment the last 4 times I've played him (3 scum, 1 town - stop rolling scum, Drew!). There's still not

enough

from him to be confident, but he's swinging that way this game so far.

So, Doro hammering Norwee. Or Drew hammering.

I explained my reasoning before, but after hearing what Norwegian said I am thinking that you are just trying to twist my strategy against me.

Hmmm. What did Norwee say that made you think I'm twisting your strategy against you?

[Hectic]

Yeah, Norwee's probably town here based solely on that rage lol. I just reISOed his Fusion game and he remained composed consistently, even though he was the leading wagon for pretty much all 3 of the days, and this rage feels very familiar to a town!game I've had with him. Correct me if I'm wrong, Aaron.

grumble grumble

[Hectic]

Just so you know, I'm not gonna make the mistake again of not pushing you when I think you're scum just because I enjoy you as a player, Norwee. Learnt my lesson when you flipped it around and used it against me in that Fusion game lol.

So you believe scum!me would use the same strategy again? Lol, not happening.
Anyway this post from you is weird. Just because i fooled you as scum once doesn't mean i'm scum here. You're in a tunnely mindset right now. Which is indicative of being a scum player.

You're misreping the intention of this post. It's not given as reasoning for why you're scum here, it's me mentioning how I'm just gonna be completely honest with my read of you from now on.

Well you should have been completely honest with your reads from the start. You've got nobody to blame but yourself for having so easily been taken advantage of in fusion mafia.

Though I'd feel so dirty if you were scum here after taking this potshot. But I'm hoping you don't have the audacity to say this as scum and try and rile me up.

[Hectic]

VOTE: Doro

[dsjstr]

If i'm gonna get lynched for a stupid reason then at least i'd want to take scum with me. And i don't like your thick-headed approach this game Hectic.

I don't see a wolf wanting to get lynched because it takes away the possibility for a D2 lylo, Norwegian was fine with getting lynched as long as their scum read did the hammering. That made me believe he was town and that Hectic wanted me or doc to hammer in order to get a wolf win.

[Hectic]

So you thought the scumteam was exactly AaronFF, Espeonage, and I at that moment?

[dsjstr]

I would have put clidd instead of aaron, why did you think I had aaron and espeonage under clidd?

[Hectic]

Forgot he existed while I was asking the question tbh.

[AaronFrost]

@AaronFF: Have you played with Norwee!scum before? Have you ever seen him rage as scum?

I've only played with him in Large 224 where he was town. I think he (as well as players in general) tend to remain more calm when under pressure as scum. I think he had a similar reaction when he was about to get lynched in that game. This reactions feels more townie than scummy.

If Norwee is scum then it probably looks something like Norwee/clidd/{dsj, Drew}. You and Norwee probably aren't scum vs scum unless you're both the traitor wolves which I don't think is the case since Hectic is my strongest townread.

[AaronFrost]

If i'm gonna get lynched for a stupid reason then at least i'd want to take scum with me. And i don't like your thick-headed approach this game Hectic.

I don't see a wolf wanting to get lynched because it takes away the possibility for a D2 lylo, Norwegian was fine with getting lynched as long as their scum read did the hammering. That made me believe he was town and that Hectic wanted me or doc to hammer in order to get a wolf win.

Only problem with that theory is that it would require Hectic being the wolf goon since that's the only one who knows who all the scum are.

Are we reading the same game? Because Norwee does not sound like he's okay with getting lynched at all.

What happened to your Drew read? You had him in your bottom two earlier and now you're saying that Hectic would want you

or Drew

to hammer for a wolf win which would require both of you being town hammering another town.

[dsjstr]

If i'm gonna get lynched for a stupid reason then at least i'd want to take scum with me. And i don't like your thick-headed approach this game Hectic.

I don't see a wolf wanting to get lynched because it takes away the possibility for a D2 lylo, Norwegian was fine with getting lynched as long as their scum read did the hammering. That made me believe he was town and that Hectic wanted me or doc to hammer in order to get a wolf win.

Only problem with that theory is that it would require Hectic being the wolf goon since that's the only one who knows who all the scum are.

Are we reading the same game? Because Norwee does not sound like he's okay with getting lynched at all.

What happened to your Drew read? You had him in your bottom two earlier and now you're saying that Hectic would want you

or Drew

to hammer for a wolf win which would require both of you being town hammering another town.

Are you saying that hectic is not the wolf goon?

[dsjstr]

And yes I changed my mind about Drew, part of my reasoning was because of the evidence that was provided by other players. If they are mafia then I had fallen into their trap, kinda... I know it wasn't really a trap necessarily.

[clidd]

It would be interesting if, by the process of elimination, the composition: Doctor Drew, Espeonage and Dsjstr was definitive.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Could I get all your reads in order, Norwee? A shotgun list without reasons is fine, though they would massively help.

*sigh*
Alright let's get this onboard. So initially before my mental degradation i was leaning on Aaronfrost, Espeonage and Drew being a potential team. I'm still kinda null on Aaronfrost in general though, so i could see anyone else take his spot. Clidd and Djstr i think are town. You Hectic, i was strongly scumreading but now that i've calmed down i'm not too sure. So i suppose ish, this is where i'm at in general:

Towny

Clidd
Djstr
Aaronfrost/Hectic
Drew
Espeonage

Scummy

[clidd]

By the way, the collision between Hectic and Norwegian provided a positive point in my read about both. The ''Joker'' is playing well.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I suppose i mostly agree with Clidd except with his reads on Aaronfrost as being more town and Djstr as being more scummy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The ''Joker'' is playing well.

You mean that as in "playing well for being town", "playing well for being scum" or "playing well in general"?

[clidd]

The ''Joker'' is playing well.

You mean that as in "playing well for being town", "playing well for being scum" or "playing well in general"?

Playing well in general.

[Espeonage]

Hectic's 180 on Norway for no reason is reading really poorly to me. I still feel that Norway effectively scum slipped. I agree with Aaron that I do not see what Hectic was seeing which makes it worse.

Back of my mind is that I am wrong on Norway being lock scum bc Hectic's trajectory is very scum indicative with the hard push in to White Knight territory.

A thought that has just occurred is that clidd's play can make sense if clidd is a traitor and looking to effectively 'ask' the wolf who the traitor is. Like death tunnelling for no reason on someone, looking for a reaction from the wolf and then moving on depending on the reaction. :/

[NorwegianboyEE]

UNVOTE:

[Espeonage]

I think overall, there is far too much of people town reading people town reading them and scum reading people scum reading them.

It's really hard to read potential pocketing when everyone in the game is potentially either being pocketed or pocketing others.