Titus v. Alisae (endgame)

[Espeonage]

Hello everybody. Does anybody have an idea of where to start to get reads in this game?

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Uhhhhh, mostly mechanics discussion. Depends on if you think you can read that or not.

Not a heap of hunting. There's a bit of a 1v1 between the hydras but it's not much atm.

[Titus]

Gobble, please claim whether you are ascetic or not?

I will pop in from time to time today. Please get some votes down.

[Ankamius]

Titus: I haven't played in like 2 years, of the people in this game who I don't know, whose opinions should I respect even if they don't actually give me a logical reason for their position?

I don't trust anyone. Not even my hypothetical masons.

Look at motivations, not logic. I expect Ali to fuck with pure logic because that's where my VCA comes from?

No no no, this isn't a trust question, you know me, I'm paranoid as fuck.

This is a "I do not know the players in this game, so I do not know who I should respect the "gut" feelings of." type of question.

Same question really goes out to Ank and FL tbh, but they're not the IC. :P

-Cerb

Interesting.

The players I would put in this category are Dunnstral, Frozen Angel, Krazy, and Spiffeh. Those three players specifically I've seen can have pretty solid gutreads. Players like Amrun, MariaR, and Pine are players that I don't quite fit this category in that they tend to flesh out their reads more and rely less on gut, but otherwise there is functionally no difference between the two categories. There might be overlap if my read on how they play aren't accurate, but this should be mostly accurate.

The rest of the players either have less of a body of work I'm aware of or have played with them in, are much less consistent, are players I can't get a solid playstyle read on, or have been unproven to have that capability to my knowledge thus far. I will not be categorizing the rest of the players within these groups.

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[Titus]

@Ank, Can you tell me what you think of Sherlock and Watson? Your gut read players seem to be leaning that way.

[Ankamius]

I'm still combing through the thread atm, so I won't have a whole lot to go over atm

honestly though, I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in my reads

I'm not entirely here and I probably won't be until tomorrow

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[Ankamius]

I'd like to reiterate what I've seen in the thread so far a few times that I would rather the day not end quickly

I'd like the opportunity to work with Titus this game and it's a lot more likely to happen if I have enough time and room to do what I need to do to make that happen

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[Spiffeh]

Wait MariaR is in this game?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Can someone Tl;dr the game for me.

There's a bunch of ascetics. Multiple soft claims. TSE is either mafia being coaching in to being the absolute worst shitposter ever, or is town and the worst shitposter ever. So that's the lynch rn.

The will to continue leads me to lean scum when he has stated he's not going to be an idiot any more in completed games.

Question is.
Are you Town pushing me or mafia.

[Chemist1422]

Can someone Tl;dr the game for me.

There's a bunch of ascetics. Multiple soft claims. TSE is either mafia being coaching in to being the absolute worst shitposter ever, or is town and the worst shitposter ever. So that's the lynch rn.

The will to continue leads me to lean scum when he has stated he's not going to be an idiot any more in completed games.

Question is.
Are you Town pushing me or mafia.

try asking the wheel :^)

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Can someone Tl;dr the game for me.

There's a bunch of ascetics. Multiple soft claims. TSE is either mafia being coaching in to being the absolute worst shitposter ever, or is town and the worst shitposter ever. So that's the lynch rn.

The will to continue leads me to lean scum when he has stated he's not going to be an idiot any more in completed games.

Question is.
Are you Town pushing me or mafia.

try asking the wheel :^)

Well.
Looks like there scum pushing me.

[Professor Moriarty]

VC 1.1

OkaPoka(2) - Ankamius, Hectic
Flavor Leaf(2) - TrueSoulEnergy, Espeonage
Reasonably Rational(1) - Amrun
Sherlock and Watson(1) - Spiffeh
Bitmap(1) - Sherlock and Watson
Pine(1) - Maki and Kaito
TrueSoulEnergy(1) - Pine
gobbledygook(1) - OkaPoka


Not voting (7)- Flavor Leaf, Frozen Angel, Chemist1422, AaronFrost, gobbledygook, Reasonably Rational, Bitmap

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.


Titus endorses:
Alisae endorses: Reasonably Rational

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-02-17 09:30:00)

Mod notes: Thank you for all confirming so fast!

[Spiffeh]

I would like more votes on Sherlock and Watson

Idk how many there are currently but I still want more

[Spiffeh]

@Ank, Can you tell me what you think of Sherlock and Watson? Your gut read players seem to be leaning that way.

As you can see our lord and savior Titus is also leaning this way if you read between the lines, in case that incentivizes any of you!

[AaronFrost]

Could be literally being coached through every post. Which tbh I would believe Ali would set up. So you know what.

Vote: TSE

Are you saying that TSE is being coached? Because his posting says otherwise

You saying that you really believe that Ali wouldn't pick a shitposter then coach a shitposter on how to most effectively shitpost?

Because I 100% believe Ali is capable of that.

I don't think TSE needs coaching on how to shitpost but fair point

[Bitmap]

I would like more votes on Sherlock and Watson

Idk how many there are currently but I still want more

Sure, I don't like their lack of content and mason fishing.

VOTE: Sherlock and Watson

[Spiffeh]

Very good Bitmap

You can be our honorary mason

[AaronFrost]

Anything important happen in these last 18 pages, because that'll effect how closely I read it.

We have 3+ ascetics. So, at least skim.

Claim whether you're ascetic as well please.

K so going back to this, I trust Pine's claim which, if true, likely means one of the other two ascetic claims is scum.

Uh, he's not claiming ascetic though, and this is worded like you believe he is claiming ascetic - he's claiming ascetic enabler. If you're not paying close attention to his claim, how can you say you believe it?

I know what he claimed. My wording was off, as it usually is, but basically my thought was that if he's a town ascetic enabler, then one of Amrun/RR (the ascetic claims) is likely scum.

I should probably put my vote somewhere huh

VOTE: RR

[Bitmap]

Very good Bitmap

You can be our honorary mason

jokes on u, i already am one

[Spiffeh]

I would like more votes on Sherlock and Watson

Idk how many there are currently but I still want more

Ok I know this comes directly after a vote count now but that vote count was NOT there when I posted this

I have been SWINDLED

[AaronFrost]

Can someone Tl;dr the game for me.

Amrun and RR both claimed ascetic, Pine claimed ascetic enabler, and bunch of people are shitposting.

That's about it

[AaronFrost]

I would like more votes on Sherlock and Watson

Idk how many there are currently but I still want more

Sure, I don't like their lack of content and mason fishing.

VOTE: Sherlock and Watson

Where were they mason fishing? I skimmed a lot and probably missed some posts.

Most people haven't had a lot of useful content to be fair.

[Reasonably Rational]

AF's argument has poor reasoning.

@Spiffeh and @Titus - Care to weigh in on why his reasoning is flawed?

The short version of what's going on here is this: We're town (and irritated Titus didn't draft us, but that's a convo for another day; her irrational confidence that she can make it work "eventually" is gonna lead to some bullshit around about day 3 if we're alive then). The way Amrun came in and reacted to someone else (Espeonage is what my brain is saying but I have to go back and check to be sure) softing a counterclaim to us makes me pretty sure that's town. Scum would have no reason to CC us in that way. More likely scum would claim after the question of what NU was got answered by Cerb and use us for cover. Setting up a conflict with us early in that way just spews town.

Then Pine comes along and claims Ascetic Enabler, and that's key. See ... we have a super powerful role with Ascetic being attached Neg Utility to raise just the dilemma we are in. It's pretty long established (at least for Cerb and I) that you claim your NU up front. The counterclaims and then claim of an Enabler implies that the ascetic is in place for some additional reason other than just to tip the balance a bit with the Neg Utility.

So knowing that we have a very powerful role and also seeing Espeonage claim to have a powerful role and having Pine ALSO imply a very powerful role, and having at least weak reasons to believe they're town, the conclusion I'm arriving at is that there are more Ascetics out there who decided not to claim it. IF there's symmetry and scum have (an) ascetic(s), I expect they are unclaimed ones at this point.


Hopefully we can get Spiffeh to give us more than a couple sentences because I'm super interested in what the thinks of it and specifically if my reasoning makes sense.

~D

[Bitmap]

I would like more votes on Sherlock and Watson

Idk how many there are currently but I still want more

Sure, I don't like their lack of content and mason fishing.

VOTE: Sherlock and Watson

Where were they mason fishing? I skimmed a lot and probably missed some posts.

Most people haven't had a lot of useful content to be fair.

Look at their spoiler text. They list off masons.

[Bitmap]

Can people shut up about the mason/drafting masons talk?

[Alisae]

Can people shut up about the mason/drafting masons talk?

No, please keep talking about it!
I love it!