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[ObviousScum]

Ame

(1) -

Looker

Alchemist21

(3) - Macabre, Egix96,

insomnia

Macabre (2) -

Alchemist21

, Wimpy

insomnia

(1) -

AaronFrost

JTheophrastus Bartholomew (2) - profii,

Chara

profii (2) -

Ame

, Luca Blight
Egix96 (1) - JTheophrastus Bartholomew


Not Voting (1) — E

Eveelution Army

Luca Blight (3) -

AaronFrost

,

Looker

, JTheophrastus Bartholomew

Alchemist21

(1) - Egix96

Chara

(1) - Macabre
Macabre (1) - Wimpy
JTheophrastus Bartholomew (2) - profii,

Chara

AaronFrost

(4) -

insomnia

,

Ame

, Luca Blight,

Alchemist21

Not Voting (1) — E

Eveelution Army

Luca Blight (1) - JTheophrastus Bartholomew

Chara

(1) - Macabre
Macabre (1) - Wimpy
JTheophrastus Bartholomew (2) - profii,

Chara

AaronFrost

(7) -

insomnia

, Luca Blight,

Alchemist21

,

AaronFrost

,

Looker

,

Ame

, Egix96 [DEATH]


Not Voting (1) — E

Eveelution Army

Looker

(1) - Egix96
ObviousScum (2) -

insomnia

,

Ame

profii (4) - ObviousScum,

Looker

, Luca Blight, Wimpy [L-2]

Not Voting (3) — E

Eveelution Army

, Macabre, profii

Looker

(6) - Egix96,

insomnia

, ObviousScum, Luca Blight, Macabre, profii [Lynch]
profii (3) -

Looker

, Wimpy,

Ame

Not Voting (1) — E

Eveelution Army

E

Eveelution Army

(5) - ObviousScum,

insomnia

, Wimpy, Luca Blight, profii (Lynch)
ObviousScum (1) - Macabre

Not Voting (2) — E

Eveelution Army

, EGix96



I wonder if Looker's iso would be better for this than mod's actually LOL

[ObviousScum]

So you imagine a triple, full push on Luca early d1?

[ObviousScum]

Yeah doesn't really solve Mac vs Profii to me both look decent candidates, makes me feel a bit stronger that Luca's out

hard to do much with wimpy through vca so he kinda stays the same

[Macabre]

At this point, the hedgehog was getting the most votes! Survival!

Is there any consensus on which of the two kills was likely vig vs scum?

SKs aren't allowed in 13p norms so Vig is IC right?

The vig is not claimed right?

The vig is not claimed right?

Why care if the vig is claimed?

Solving the game with an IC is easier than not solving with an IC? One fewerslot to sort

also ame's confidence on the vig shot made me think I'd missed something tbh

They proceeded to ask for the daring rogue among us to drop hints! Scandalous!

[Macabre]

Indeed! Later this hedgehog did the same with the neep claim!

I don’t think Obs lied about the actual claim, the only thing would be whether or not he lied about his alignment.

hmm, scum gets neap + 2 hoodies. from a design perspective it's possible but it seems like giving scum a lot of info to me, especially when there's already the ascetic.

In a scenario where I'm scum, town investigative is a...

PT cop

maybe? 1 scum in the hood, 2 hoodies, so one scum is protected and 2 are guiltied by PT cop? if so, why give scum an investigative when they already have the ascetic + the hood to rebuff the pt cop?

otherwise maybe gunsmith I guess, if this was going to be classic GS + vig setup, but if so I still don't know why scum neap gets added to a 2 town hood. I guess it's possible but doesn't really match what I'd expect from a norm I guess

Where are you guys getting this setup spec material to justify your cases with "balance"? I don't like having to relinquish my opinions to others because I don't mod games.

that's mostly just me, and my setup spec is flawed anyway since I don't know whether town has two more weak PRs or one more strong PR

I just think making an all town hood with a n2 neap kinda makes sense because the neap is already so weak you want to give it a hint about who it can hit. I don't think you would punish the neap in that scenario by putting them in a scum hood. But that's an argument from what I see as being fun for the town in conjunction with a sense of balance so this isn't like a 'purely objective' perspective it's more just my take on the setup

Yo, OS, can you explain to me how you immediately made the leap that the hood had to be all town?

The ascetic scum + my role being a shitty and heavily gated invest. Giving another scum a proven non-vt role seems like 'a lot' to give scum unless there's another invest in the game

Still I'm open to counter-arguments that this is a standard 2-town 1-scum hood game; neap in the hood probably designed to make it a 50/50 then. That is the conventional wisdom, I just have played in games that deliberately avoided that logic because it is conventional wisdom.

Scenario! This hedgehog is a neep in an all-town hood! Therefore we must kill the neep to clear this hood!

A question from this crow to this sleepy boy: does the alignment of this hedgehog matter not? Is this not the exact role and circumstance where the death of this hedgehog can tell us more about their alignment than their words could? Thought!

And could this not all simply be an attempt to get refuted by another investigative?

Indeed! Should this hedgehog be of ill-nature, the likelihood of them making a claim which would surely get them killed--by the town, seems counter-productive... Unless there was another motive, beyond simply telling the truth, such as outing another powerful one among us. Water sport!

Indeed! We must remember that the ghost cannot protect themselves from a kill, so the town has some way to gain information from the evil doers, and they have known this since the beginning! Proof!

Additionally, the claim of the neapolitan on part of the hedgehog could be considered a double catch on part of a criminal mind: consider the knowledge the evil ones among us had known from game start! Puzzle!

[Macabre]

At what point does the all-town theory go to waste? When the question of the hydra appears... What is this trajectory? Speed!

On the subject of Looker, I found their 497 weird on a few levels.

1) they say the timings of my interaction with Frost post-slip is weird, which implies a negative opinion, but then wonders aloud if it clears me. This is also odd because Looker never refers back to this opinion of me again, but continues in their neutral stance towards me.

2) disagrees with my point against JT, saying we shouldn’t ‘penalizse’ him for giving reads. Why should anyone not be held accountable for their reads? It’s what the game of Mafia is based on. I can’t grasp this mindset at all.

3) throws random shade at EV, when Looker has been as much a bystander this game.

My inclination was to townread for 216 because it seems like such a transparent pocket attempt (2scummy4scum). I still think there's a world where that's town indicative but I guess it's not as town-indicative for Looker as I thought it was at first (as town he's actually somewhat cautious with townreads). I still think it'd be a bit weird if both Aaron and Looker both opened the game by doing a meme townread but saying they wouldn't is the gambler's fallacy so *shrug*

319 is something that could come from scum looker, but 377 is the only crassness in the whole iso, whereas as scum looker tends toward hyperbole and aggressiveness

I have to agree with Luca that 497 is just a mess to comprehend

674 would have been better without the ABV

Thought a bit about 761 and the indication of being "lost" -- was tempted to townread but he's not very often "lost" in games as either alignment so nothing recent to compare to here. The last time he says something like this was back in 2010 where he happened to be scum but that's so long ago I doubt it's pattern indicative.

Overall it's tricky. There's not a lot of towngames to compare to in the recent iso, but there's a few tonal things absent from the scum games that I would expect to see here.

I guess I would say I'm less confident in him being town now that I've read his whole iso more closely and am not making a snap judgement off 216 but I don't think the tone issues I have with him are worse than those I sometimes feel about profii, or perhaps ELA.

In response to the scarf boy voting the hydra...

[(Ame/Profii)->Egix/Mac/Looker] would be my "please shoot" pool if we were doing one

mmmmm yeah maybe we should just lynch Ame today :/

still want profii's response to wagon

This is not innocent behavior! Open your eyes!

[ObviousScum]

fun case

why do you townread profii?

[ObviousScum]

You're arguing I'm scum for being 0/2 in profii/ame but you're not really making it clear why you're pre-flipping profii as town?

[ObviousScum]

Luca Blight (3) - AaronFrost, Looker, JTheophrastus Bartholomew

and from VCA you ignore this, what is perhaps the only readable vote count in the whole mod iso?

[Macabre]

Green flip on looker, vig shoots

egix

(?)
Leash me to {wimpy, somni}
Leash profii to {Mac}

Red flip on

looker

, vig shoots {Ame, Mac}?
Leash me to somni
Leash profii to wimpy

??

Question mark! Indeed!

[Macabre]

Luca Blight (3) - AaronFrost, Looker, JTheophrastus Bartholomew

and from VCA you ignore this, what is perhaps the only readable vote count in the whole mod iso?

This is a feature, not a bug. This bug catcher will destroy you. Vicious!

VOTE: ObviousScum

[ObviousScum]

yeah that was bad night action direction ngl, especially if you're town

but tbh Ame's claim was reaaaaaallly bad so I don't feel that bad

that being said I feel like you're copying all of this over from a PT rather than coming up with it right now which is a little concerning

[ObviousScum]

okay, but why is profii town?

[Macabre]

Indeed! Both the Ghost and the Hydra have played on the intolerance of the Burger to justify their feud against this crow!

Furthermore, One-eye has stolen a term from the scarf boy to make a case in defense of the Chimera! Yet, this One-eye does not combat scarf boy directly. It acts without conviction. Careful!

Dearest crow, if I may interject, this bug-slayer is actually condoning the acts of they one-eyed one. I believe they and most others in this village have condemned the chimera for his actions.

VOTE: Macabre I don't think it should be this difficult to decipher your reads. What's your current read on profii? I get it, he's the chimera, but what's your read on him?

I don't have time to play this game, especially if I have to decipher everything Macbre says. It's hard to differentiate between anti-town and scummy.

Just as with the Knight, this crow is a victim of conspiracy! Careless whisper!

[ObviousScum]

Do you have a personal PT or do you use notepad or something?

[Macabre]

goon - scum ascetic - scum in hoood
TA - Vig - town hoody - n2 neap - 5 vts

5/9 chance of n2 neap getting an inno, 1/9 chance of getting a soft guilty
TA gets false guilties on hoodies, has no counter to ascetic, only one guilty on the goon
vig is the 'main' invest meant to solve the hood and other issues

probably no protective or other named/prs

yeah this looks right to me, this passes nrg easy

As of the 1300s this hedgehog is back to the 3 town theory?? Yet this crow was told welcome to 6 pages ago, quite like 6 pages ago at this point! Two steps forward, two steps back! You are back to where you started!

[Macabre]

There is scum hood in the above, but yes this chimera is town because their role is town! A single shot to find the true among us, with a 1/12 chance at a soft guilty (Ghost) or 1/12 at a false guilty (wolf). Sensibility!

[Macabre]

This neep would not pass! Bad ENERGY!

[Macabre]

Profii result on mac
Ela claim + mac claim?

This hedgehog, n2 neep, the rolefishious of rolefish claims, the only thing that kept this slot alive on the second day asks for results.

What was the results of this hedgehog??? Inquiry!

[Macabre]

Yeah I probably should have made that less obvious

VOTE: Profii

Think I'm here, Mac actually made some decent points about setup spec yesterday

I really thought it was ELA and have been re-evaluating to see if I had somehow let scum slip into my townblock but I still just don't see Luca/Wimpy as scum

That being said this is the point for re-evaluations if someone wants to argue for Luca or Wimpy, or if people strongly prefer Mac to Profii

There is NO CRUMB of this hedgehog detailing an investigation of the sleepy boy! Point of interest!

[Macabre]

If this scarf boy believes the hedgehog would not have claimed this role as scum, but still accepts they may have done so, but not because it was truth, does this scarf boy believe that this hedgehog has tried to fish a role? Point of interest!

Yeah, he's been trying to fish out an investigative since his claim saying things such as "

unless there's another investigative >.>

"

The dead shall speak once more! Necromancy!

[Macabre]

You're arguing I'm scum for being 0/2 in profii/ame but you're not really making it clear why you're pre-flipping profii as town?

The case against the Chimera was unconvincing! Suspecting the scarf boy for not playing ball is not fair! The timing of the counter argument, in favor of the chimera/scarf boy incidentally deflected from the hydra, a case of which you humored the Knight on earlier that day! Which reasons are good, and which are bad? Seemingly, all the decisions you make contain malice! Source of all evil!

[ObviousScum]

Why do people keep acting like mass claim vs last scum is scummy at all though? Like did you guys have bad SEs in newbie queue or what?

[ObviousScum]

There is NO CRUMB of this hedgehog detailing an investigation of the sleepy boy! Point of interest!

yeah, intentionally

but I did argue for wimpy town and I didn't insomnia which I kinda realized was a mistake going into night

I'm pretty sure if you're hunting for my clear it's not that hard since I was being a bit sloppy thinking ELA was last scum and game was over

[ObviousScum]

I still don't get why you're townreading profii? I can't tell if you had like a really short cryptic explanation but it seems like you're way more excited to case me than to solve the game