Titus v. Alisae (endgame)

[Flavor Leaf]

I still think there's a low chance for Ali to pick FL and Pine though.

agree on Pine, but why not FL?

-S

FL is known to be a strong player and has strong relations with Alisae. I know this sounds WIFOM but there's a good chance Ali might opt to not pick FL because e thinks FL is an easy mislynch as a result. Does this mean it's confirmed that Ali didn't pick FL? No. But I'm willing to give FL a pass today and see how he plays out in D1/D2 because if he's town, he's a viable asset and I think can help us lynch scum.

Sherlock, I'm really not a big fan of your slot. You're literally skirting around and not really presenting your reasoning at all and having as I call these "sekret" reads that you can easily revert if you're wrong because you don't attract attention atm.

From strictly knowing the relationship between Alisae and I in person, alongside Bitmap and myself having essentially zero interaction with each other prior to the meetup, I follow this 100% and see exactly where he’s coming from.

Like, I can see a scum motive from pushing this, but that’s just a play that’s being made, and it is being made to win me over. That being said, this is essentially pointless considering I haven’t played this game pre page 50.

I think this is hard town, or it’s played well to hard pocket me.

I’m gonna put this at the top of my town read atm.

[OkaPoka]

At least I explained myself more extensively than your reads. So yes, I think my reads hold merit.

You said RR was scum for PoEing Boon and Esp when your reasons for townreading Boon is 100% pick spec and your reasons for townreading Esp is because he's posting

-S

I feel this isn’t fair. Most of my posts this game prior to today had literally been directed towards Bitmap, and Titus, Bitmap, Alisae, Math, and Chkflip just met up like a week and a half ago, so there’s momentum from that.

I think it’s more than just pick spec as you mentioned. I think Bitmap’s read and the fact that he is having trouble expressing it completely in the first part is incredibly townie.

this is just garbage

[Flavor Leaf]

Is this a MariaR and Dunnstral hydra?

Yes
Maki=Maria
Kaito=Dunnstral

That’s who I thought. I knew Kaito was Dunn, I was unsure on Maki, but Maria/Dunn still made sense

[Flavor Leaf]

At least I explained myself more extensively than your reads. So yes, I think my reads hold merit.

You said RR was scum for PoEing Boon and Esp when your reasons for townreading Boon is 100% pick spec and your reasons for townreading Esp is because he's posting

-S

I feel this isn’t fair. Most of my posts this game prior to today had literally been directed towards Bitmap, and Titus, Bitmap, Alisae, Math, and Chkflip just met up like a week and a half ago, so there’s momentum from that.

I think it’s more than just pick spec as you mentioned. I think Bitmap’s read and the fact that he is having trouble expressing it completely in the first part is incredibly townie.

this is just garbage

:shrug: that’s how you can tell I’m town.

Also, if Bitmap ends up being town, it’s 100% confirmed not garbage and was a next level accurate read.

[Ankamius]

Also, if Bitmap ends up being town, it’s 100% confirmed not garbage and was a next level accurate read.

that's not how it works!

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[Flavor Leaf]

ive only rolled scum against chemist, flavor, pp, bitmap, dunn/maria in this plist so its best to start from there

I caught you, right?

That was my pool solve game, and I hard mislynched Penguin?

yes

Regarding hectic: so is you dropping reads like this carefree and being cognizant of placements at the start of d1 a norm?

Oh this is gonna happen throughout the game, not specific to Day 1.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, if Bitmap ends up being town, it’s 100% confirmed not garbage and was a next level accurate read.

that's not how it works!

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But it is how it works. I believe him to be town for the reasons I suggested, and he vice versa. If he ends up being town, then those were completely accurate reasons to do so, and we would be in the right for trusting them.

His uncertainty and non committal but still feeling the need to say it despite knowing it likely isn’t the popular route or decision to do is the specific part that stands out as town to me rather than the words itself.

[Flavor Leaf]

its because tse is a naive mafiascum player who has probably lost to a deepwolf and has been permanently traumatized as a result

poor tse

send tse to the mountainous gulags to realize that townies can be good at the game

Lol no.
I always scum read all the Deep Wolves.

I wanna say that TSE is really strong at reading the gamestate in an extremely wide surface level kind of way, which I believe is extremely helpful in specific ways.

Sometimes it’s really good to analyze the surface level, but sometimes people can’t push past the base surface.

[Sherlock and Watson]

I wanna say that TSE is really strong at reading the gamestate in an extremely wide surface level kind of way, which I believe is extremely helpful in specific ways.

what game makes you say this?

-S

[Flavor Leaf]

I would have claimed ascetic in my first post if I were ascetic

Therefore, I am not

Pine I am excited for you to try hard

Tell me who the scum are

I believe this post.

Current scumlist: Ankamius and Sherlock/Watson

Ank would have been VERY high on Ali's recruit list, probably #1

Ali never drafts FL or I

ftr

I just hit this post and I'd like to reiterate that it's literally impossible for S+W and me to be the same alignment because the duck will always immediately draft the other when alisae drafts one of us (and even if SS did the draft, I imagine they mindmelded on this beforehand and this would likely come up with how high profile we are and his general familiarity with us)

we've hydra'd so many times this past year that we are very familiar with each other's town games and it's a huge risk of having whoever is scum in this duo be caught near immediately

something to keep in mind

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This is actually an incredibly NAI post because honestly, yeah, this makes sense.

Is Krazy in the Sherlock hydra? Because that makes sense as a potential scum team, but I can also see it not.

I literally was thinking right before seeing this post, Ankamius is probably the #1 choice to pick fo Alisae, and I read this in the way where it’s #1 after considering who’d actually be #1 in a general sense.

Still, not gonna state a full on scum read by any means, and I’d probably wanna give it some breathing room anyways.

[Flavor Leaf]

TSE I think is probably the last choice by Alisae on the surface, which actually probably raises them pretty high, which also lowers him simultaneously, and keep in the fact he is actually probably near the bottom, I’d say TSE ends just slightly underneath the middle of the pack in terms of picks.

[Ankamius]

yeah only half the playerlist has said that by this point

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[Flavor Leaf]

Doesn’t mean it’s not true nor does it mean you’re still not a good pick.

You are a strong candidate for being first pick in a way where you aren’t the strongest candidate to be first pick, but still strong enough to be first pick, and mixed in with people being able to push it away from you being 50/50 picked for first pick, and you being able to shrug it off decently, you’re still first pickable in that scenario, but are you first pick? Who knows. It’s a complete WIFOM, but you have a decently high chance of being on the overall first pick drafting list.

I’ll make a drafting list with Boon level logic sometime this day phase.

[Maki and Kaito]

Anyone want to vote Ankamius with me?

Not really, I like her posting so far. I'm curious what's made you want to vote her in the first place. By like I mean 'would not lynch day 1'

amrun is definitely the weaker of the ascetic ccs but I feel like we're not likely to get a spicy reaction from her when she's totally absent from the thread

-s

This should never be a reason to vote the claims btw. Obviously they were put in the set up for a reason and considering Ali could make anything normal it's even more ??? To judge based off the 'ccs' Also, pro tip if you want reactions don't say what you're doing is for a reaction

I don't mind Spiffy and his reasoning for voting Ank, but Oka and Bitmap in a row are really bad 1185 and 1186

amruns going to get prodded ! hmm :suspicious:

Didn’t someone say that Amrun lurking means she’s scum?

What is the basis for that?

From what I've heard Amrun is well, a decent player at least? If people here know her meta using a basic level one play like 'Oh Lurking means they're scum!' is a super bad reason. You should read the posts and come to an answer first. Meta can be added on as a case but just alone? Na. I feel like this is basic though.

[Flavor Leaf]

And y’all y’all about me too much, even when I’m not here

[Flavor Leaf]

Y’all *talk

[Maki and Kaito]

my desire to eliminate flavor leaf is very high

Go on.

Time go read Pine iso and see if he ever answered me

[Sherlock and Watson]

Damn it Maki are you sure you're the same alignment as Kaito?

Every time you post I'm like, aww it's Makiiiiii

Every time Kaito posts I want to burn your slot down LOL

-S

[Flavor Leaf]

FL is known to be a strong player and has strong relations with Alisae. I know this sounds WIFOM but there's a good chance Ali might opt to not pick FL because e thinks FL is an easy mislynch as a result. Does this mean it's confirmed that Ali didn't pick FL? No. But I'm willing to give FL a pass today and see how he plays out in D1/D2 because if he's town, he's a viable asset and I think can help us lynch scum.

okay so putting alisae pick wifom aside how is this not Boon playing his scumgame to a T?

-S

I lurked for 50 pages. Show me 1 scum game where I’ve done that, and I’ll show you 2+ town games.

[Flavor Leaf]

Who’s Watson?

[Maki and Kaito]

Pine did not answer me so my want to kill him and confusion for why he is tr is still high. Oka and Bitmap are also people I want dead atm. Any takers? No? Good because that would require me to read more of the game.
Pedit: What exactly do you sr Kaito for?

[Sherlock and Watson]

Watson is PENGIIIII and he's been busy with family stuff

-S

[Flavor Leaf]

I've never played with FL.

So how does someone, who has never played with FL, thinks that I think FL can be mislynchable?

Yeah, and while there's one scenario where I'm wrong on him, I feel like he's pretty transparently scum

-S

I want you to find 1 scum game by me where this is transparently scum me prior to my posting this night.

Keep in mind, I had 12 posts by page 48 -ish.

Go find 1 scum game where it’s like that, and you can say it’s transparently my scum game.

VOTE: Sherlock

This stays until you can explain that

[Sherlock and Watson]

Pine did not answer me so my want to kill him and confusion for why he is tr is still high. Oka and Bitmap are also people I want dead atm. Any takers? No? Good because that would require me to read more of the game.
Pedit: What exactly do you sr Kaito for?

He was like nitpicking the fact that I thought bitmap was scum but also scumread boon for making a post that seemed to be pocketing bitmap (which sure, would seem to imply bitmap town, but this is boon we're talking about) but he didn't like, actually push me for it so I didn't really get the point of what he was doing was other than just sort of pointlessly shading me and nagging me about not over-explaining reads

And yeah I disagree with almost every position Bitmap has taken but when I checked in with Watson he was a bit less interested in nuking that slot now than he was before so trying to decide if I should actually re-evaluate.

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

I want you to find 1 scum game by me where this is transparently scum me prior to my posting this night.

Keep in mind, I had 12 posts by page 48 -ish.

Go find 1 scum game where it’s like that, and you can say it’s transparently my scum game.

VOTE: Sherlock

Being forgettable is kinda what I remember about you from EICN which is probably the most significant scum game I've played with you where I was town

Your catchup is a bit better though tbh

-S