Titus v. Alisae (endgame)

[OkaPoka]

like its almost entirely meaningless and he's engaging in early draft spec and trying to categorize scumteams based on exactly zero flips and is doing "gamestate" reads which he isn't really elaborating more on

its just going to lead to more chaos and confusion but it sounds smart

[OkaPoka]

example

You can essentially boil it down to basics.

Mr. Fantastic, the logical thinker, strategist, captain, run the day to day, keeps the scum thread informed of everything going on, and doing way too much work

Invisible Woman, usually the deepwolf type, not posting heavily, but expected to be able to carry a scum win if Mr. Fantastic goes down, and can easily shift into the gamestate leader in place of the Mr. Fantastic, but stays under the radar enough and can disappear.

The Thing, can be a powerhouse and distraction for scum, straight up makes a lot of noise, and destroys things. Doesn’t really have associations or sly maneuvers, they just react react react.

Human Torch, kind of trolly, think Elsa Jay scum. They can be a force to be reckoned with, more of a High Risk High Reward type of play. I’m definitely a combination of HT and Mr. Fantastic.

And like I said, you can switch, but I think most people tend to naturally play in a specific type of playstyle as scum.

[AaronFrost]

I am still waiting for people to accept that I can draft anyone in this playerlist and the only reason why I wouldn't draft someone is because of reasons that only I would know.

Exactly. Reasons that only Alisae and I would know.

Assuming that Ali didn't pick you and thinks that you might have a good idea of who e would pick because of irl experience, wouldn't e try to subvert that?

@Oka:

I'm just reading through them now and I don't like his WIFOM logic either. I'm not sure if it comes from scum though and I'm also not entirely sure how to read Boon. Like I ever won a scumgame with Boon recently and I still don't know how to read him

[AaronFrost]

*even won a scum game with Boon recently

[Titus]

example

You can essentially boil it down to basics.

Mr. Fantastic, the logical thinker, strategist, captain, run the day to day, keeps the scum thread informed of everything going on, and doing way too much work

Invisible Woman, usually the deepwolf type, not posting heavily, but expected to be able to carry a scum win if Mr. Fantastic goes down, and can easily shift into the gamestate leader in place of the Mr. Fantastic, but stays under the radar enough and can disappear.

The Thing, can be a powerhouse and distraction for scum, straight up makes a lot of noise, and destroys things. Doesn’t really have associations or sly maneuvers, they just react react react.

Human Torch, kind of trolly, think Elsa Jay scum. They can be a force to be reckoned with, more of a High Risk High Reward type of play. I’m definitely a combination of HT and Mr. Fantastic.

And like I said, you can switch, but I think most people tend to naturally play in a specific type of playstyle as scum.

I asked for that post Oka. It helps frame his other thinking.

[AaronFrost]

probably Leafy now

Spoiler: Secret Mason Question/Very Important

Why do you townread FL for the WIFOM stuff?

[AaronFrost]

Hi Titus are you town reading me?

I am the one that started the Ankamius wagon after all!

Are you saying that we're supposed to be townreading you because you started a wagon? Don't think that's how it works

[Sherlock and Watson]

The stuff before he drifted into pick spec looked ok tbh

The pick stuff was bad but I'm not sure it was scummy bad

Then again boon by now knows I expect him to flip his read three times on me in any given conversation so maybe he's playing into that

-S

[OkaPoka]

example

You can essentially boil it down to basics.

Mr. Fantastic, the logical thinker, strategist, captain, run the day to day, keeps the scum thread informed of everything going on, and doing way too much work

Invisible Woman, usually the deepwolf type, not posting heavily, but expected to be able to carry a scum win if Mr. Fantastic goes down, and can easily shift into the gamestate leader in place of the Mr. Fantastic, but stays under the radar enough and can disappear.

The Thing, can be a powerhouse and distraction for scum, straight up makes a lot of noise, and destroys things. Doesn’t really have associations or sly maneuvers, they just react react react.

Human Torch, kind of trolly, think Elsa Jay scum. They can be a force to be reckoned with, more of a High Risk High Reward type of play. I’m definitely a combination of HT and Mr. Fantastic.

And like I said, you can switch, but I think most people tend to naturally play in a specific type of playstyle as scum.

I asked for that post Oka. It helps frame his other thinking.

Its irrelevant somebody was going to ask him and he was going to answer

Its a baitt

[Bitmap]

Am I the only one that likes Boon's recent posts?

[Alisae]

Why is wanting to sheep a strong town player who is identified to have a high chance of being considered scummy? Sherlock we have played before right?

*high chance of being town

Why is wanting to sheep a strong town player who is identified to have a high chance of being considered scummy? Sherlock we have played before right?

*high chance of being town

yo its ok
i accidentally slip the true alignments of people from time to time
it happens

fuck u it's 1:30AM and I had to wake up early for a meeting for work

[Alisae]

I've never played with FL. I know from word of mouth that he's supposedly pretty good. And I met Ali and FL in a Cali meet which is why I said "strong relations". As I said in my post, I think for now FL is probably leaning town.

Do you know FL pretty well?

I've never played with FL.

So how does someone, who has never played with FL, thinks that I think FL can be mislynchable?

[Bitmap]

bad Ali

[Professor Moriarty]

VC 1.8

Ankamius (5) - Spiffeh, OkaPoka, Bitmap, TrueSoulEnergy, gobbledygook
Reasonably Rational (2) - Amrun, AaronFrost
Sherlock and Watson (1) - Pine
TrueSoulEnergy (1) - Espeonage
Flavor Leaf (1) - Ankamius
Pine (1) - Maki and Kaito
Bitmap (1) - Hectic
Espeonage (1) - Flavor Leaf


Not voting (4)- Frozen Angel, Chemist1422, Reasonably Rational, Sherlock and Watson

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch.


Titus endorses: Whoever you want
Alisae endorses: TrueSoulEnergy

Deadline is in (expired on 2020-02-17 09:30:00)

Mod notes: Frozen Angel v/la until Feb 10

[Alisae]

its my pleasure

[Flavor Leaf]

Leafy, your logic for TSE regarding drafting is:
-Last person Ali would pick
-Therefore, raises his chance of being picked
-Which lowers the chance of him being picked
-Which puts him middle of the pack for picks

Your logic for yourself:
-Ali would never pick me
-Therefore, Ali would never pick me

why the difference?

I’m a general high draft, but not in Alisae’s eyes is the difference

[Flavor Leaf]

Holy shit fl. I just woke up and wasn't going to post anything until I had the chance to like read things and make notes and shit instead of just focusing on what jumps out at me( since apparently I haven't played in long enough that far fewer things are jumping out at me), but I just have to say: I really really want you to finish this draft analysis/scum role filling thing, whatever the hell it is you're doing, but you should absolutely do so AFTER the game is over because even if you're both town and 100% accurate, I do not see this as a line that is likely to be judged as convincing to most players, so it's really just filler.

You do you though man.

-Cerb

Oh yeah, I’m past it. I just need people to see where I’m coming from. I’ve mixed in analysis with it.

[Flavor Leaf]

@FL:

You mentioned I had potential of being second in command scum? What does that even mean and why?

Like, if we were ever scum together, I’d go hard hard for a few days and trust if i go down, you’re finishing this game strong and getting the mvp plays at the endgame

[Flavor Leaf]

TSE I think is probably the last choice by Alisae on the surface, which actually probably raises them pretty high, which also lowers him simultaneously, and keep in the fact he is actually probably near the bottom, I’d say TSE ends just slightly underneath the middle of the pack in terms of picks.

What

I'm not sure if I follow Flavor's draft pick logic but that's because the logic is entirely WIFOM and I really hate WIFOM

WIFOM gets me Mafia Drunk.

[Flavor Leaf]

wow nobody else thinks that flavor leaf's entire string of postings recently are just all

bad?

X

[Flavor Leaf]

I am still waiting for people to accept that I can draft anyone in this playerlist and the only reason why I wouldn't draft someone is because of reasons that only I would know.

Exactly. Reasons that only Alisae and I would know.

Assuming that Ali didn't pick you and thinks that you might have a good idea of who e would pick because of irl experience, wouldn't e try to subvert that?

@Oka:

I'm just reading through them now and I don't like his WIFOM logic either. I'm not sure if it comes from scum though and I'm also not entirely sure how to read Boon. Like I ever won a scumgame with Boon recently and I still don't know how to read him

No, I don’t believe e would know that about me. E might even shrug me off.

And also, Oka was my main scum read and that was based on analysis, so it makes sense scum’s coming after me.

Espeonage/Okapoka/Maria/Spiffeh

Is my current solve.

Spiffeh could be replace by FA, and I’ve accepted I’m not catching RR if they’re scum, so up to someone else on that.

[Flavor Leaf]

example

You can essentially boil it down to basics.

Mr. Fantastic, the logical thinker, strategist, captain, run the day to day, keeps the scum thread informed of everything going on, and doing way too much work

Invisible Woman, usually the deepwolf type, not posting heavily, but expected to be able to carry a scum win if Mr. Fantastic goes down, and can easily shift into the gamestate leader in place of the Mr. Fantastic, but stays under the radar enough and can disappear.

The Thing, can be a powerhouse and distraction for scum, straight up makes a lot of noise, and destroys things. Doesn’t really have associations or sly maneuvers, they just react react react.

Human Torch, kind of trolly, think Elsa Jay scum. They can be a force to be reckoned with, more of a High Risk High Reward type of play. I’m definitely a combination of HT and Mr. Fantastic.

And like I said, you can switch, but I think most people tend to naturally play in a specific type of playstyle as scum.

People were confused and it was at the end of my post. I actually have been meaning to post this for a while, so out of like all the posts you could have chosen for an example, this was probably the worst one

[Alisae]

I am so mad at my dad

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, y’all know I’m one of the biggest reaction test players on site, idk why this stuff continues to boggle’s people’s minds.

If you notice there were 3 people who actively are baton’, and the rest, while not necessarily liking the posts, seem to be spouting town reads.

Those 3 players...were the ones being scum read by me. Oka Poka, Maria, Espeonage

[Alisae]

Spoiler: wtf???????

My Dad:
I still want u to be able to have a normal conversation. Getting sick of doing all the talking and then getting blamed for it

Me:
what do you mean I'm blaming you for doing all of the talking
You know what I'm blaming you for
I'm blaming you for being rude
why would I want to see you when you just blatantly insult me

My Dad:
maybe if u could converse normally we would have better conversations

Me:
who would ever want to meet up for brunch if they are just going to blatantly insult me
well maybe
you can just deal with the fact that I'm not a talkative person
even my grandfather
could deal with that

My Dad:
and no, I don't know what I said that bothered you because you dont talk.

Me:
you don't know what you said that bothered me
because you don't think
about what you say

My Dad:
If you talked too it would give me more time to think
If you aren't participating in the conversation you have no right to complain about it

Me:
oh
if I don't talk
that means I can't complain
when you are rude to me
and when you insult me
because I remember complaining I very clearly

My Dad:
right

Me:
said that I wanted to step out
and leave
and you begged me to stay

My Dad:
whatever