Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[MathBlade]

ico/xtoxm/teacher

Sub you for me and Im with you on this towncore.

Tbh, while Im not at all confident about Flopz, Im not scummreading the slot either. Flipping it, moreover, would do just about nada for me.

So we are in the same lynchpool too, but you and I have reverse orders.

Tell me, is it worth trying to sell Ari to you, or should I save the time on digging since Ive kinda headlined my case and it doesnt seem like it moved you much?

I am for that towncore add Skitter

[skitter30]

so what, you were nk'd so that scum could push the tvs narrative?

[teacher]

Math, if youre town, youre the village idiot spewing about how the claims arent trustworthy but we must lynch RCE because of the claims, so please dont egopost.

[MathBlade]

so what, you were nk'd so that scum could push the tvs narrative?

That and d1 I scumread Tris and Plum and Ari which coincidentally looked like the scum team before RC demanded the worst.

[teacher]

1. Decide that we NL today.
2. Discuss who we want to Lynch. After we have agreed, you sound your thoughts about what of they flip scum/town, and then we nolynch.

I think a NL asap is best

Which did/do you want?

[MathBlade]

Math, if youre town, youre the village idiot spewing about how the claims arent trustworthy but we must lynch RCE because of the claims, so please dont egopost.

I don’t trust the balance however I am working with what my townblock gives me

If you want the “balance” then you Lynch the person jailed and I am working on getting the evidence it’s hard on a phone.

[teacher]

Right, I meant more about seeking credit on the SvS or TvT thing, since I was fairly clearly calling it TvT as well and pushing off both them. Its just kinda gross.

The Ari thing from you (and RC, and RCE, and Bella) is why I want them today.

@Skit, I saw you on the associatives. It will happen but this is a hell of a game to slog through.....

[skitter30]

so what, you were nk'd so that scum could push the tvs narrative?

That and d1 I scumread Tris and Plum and Ari which coincidentally looked like the scum team before RC demanded the worst.

i'm not sure tris/plum/ari actually make sense given how the day1 ari wagon went

also if scum wanted to push the tvs narrative they would have needed to try to mislynch rc day2 which didn't really happen

[teacher]

i'm not sure tris/plum/ari actually make sense given how the day1 ari wagon went

discuss please?

[skitter30]

@Skit, I saw you on the associatives. It will happen but this is a hell of a game to slog through.....

i know, sorry, i don't really want to look at most of day1/day2 either, take your time

if you just have general things 'how ari was behaving when xyz happened' without like quoting posts that would be good too

[skitter30]

Spoiler: mayonnaise vivisect

Vote Count 1.17

Aristophanes

(4): MathBlade, teacher, Flopz, skitter30

RadiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm, the worst

the worst

(2): tris, RadiantCowbells

Plum

(1): RCEnigma

Flopz

(1): Aristophanes

tris

(1): Plum

Not voting (2): Bellaphant, Iconeum

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to two weeks from day start, in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

Spoiler: phenomenology aardvark

Vote Count 1.18

Aristophanes

(4): MathBlade, teacher, Flopz, skitter30

RadiantCowbells

(3): Xtoxm, the worst, Aristophanes

the worst

(2): tris, RadiantCowbells

Plum

(1): RCEnigma

tris

(1): Plum

Not voting (2): Bellaphant, Iconeum

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to two weeks from day start, in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

Spoiler: glistening the grass falls down down below

Vote Count 1.19

the worst

(5): tris, skitter30, RadiantCowbells, Plum, MathBlade

RadiantCowbells

(3): Xtoxm, the worst, Aristophanes

Aristophanes

(2): teacher, Flopz

Plum

(1): RCEnigma

Not voting (2): Bellaphant, Iconeum

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to two weeks from day start, in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

what were scum doing here-ish if it's ari/tris/plum?

[skitter30]

sorry, more from like 1.12-1.19 than just the ones i quoted

[MathBlade]

A good example of why you lynch the person jailed (or repeatedly jail them) is from

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... Statistics

Comes from Newbie 1209

You either repeatedly jail the person jailed or if you can’t you lynch them.

Especially in a “low power” game. Tierce was widely townread that game.

Iirc Tierce went more in depth about it in the thread.

But you absolutely if you believe that’s the setup lynch RCE there every time.

[MathBlade]

Right, I meant more about seeking credit on the SvS or TvT thing, since I was fairly clearly calling it TvT as well and pushing off both them. Its just kinda gross.

The Ari thing from you (and RC, and RCE, and Bella) is why I want them today.

@Skit, I saw you on the associatives. It will happen but this is a hell of a game to slog through.....

so what, you were nk'd so that scum could push the tvs narrative?

That and d1 I scumread Tris and Plum and Ari which coincidentally looked like the scum team before RC demanded the worst.

i'm not sure tris/plum/ari actually make sense given how the day1 ari wagon went

also if scum wanted to push the tvs narrative they would have needed to try to mislynch rc day2 which didn't really happen

I disagree on that wagon analysis.

I am okay voting Ari but Titus isn’t and she controls my vote.

[teacher]

Why lynch a functional vt over doc?

Skit, can you speak to Icos scum meta?

I’ve hard hard townread the play this game, but the nk is ????, which of course is also wine.

Have you considered Bella might have lied about being N-1-2 gated to try and survive? I did. Bella was conftown and unprotecteable by me.
You hard townread me and defended me during massclaim but now all of a sudden you want to shade me?

Going back to this, Bella was not in fact conf town, ya? Indeed, that was a spot I causing me heartburn (in part due to the dueling protective claims -- I was seeing a world where only 1 of you was in fact true, and it would be weak 10 v. 2 group + 1 traitor).

The N1-N2 claim, if town, did not strike me as at all made up because I couldnt see the motivation to claim it first i(remember, it was the claim that started the massclaim, rather than the massclaim outing the claim). But if scum, the N1-N2 seems hella convenient because then the actions cant be chained/tested, and it allowed Scum to push the mislynch of a slot that, before D3, had been fairly hard townread.

But I townread your play, just start of day paranoia because I was so sure you would die.

[MathBlade]

Spoiler: mayonnaise vivisect

Vote Count 1.17

Aristophanes

(4): MathBlade, teacher, Flopz, skitter30

RadiantCowbells

(2): Xtoxm, the worst

the worst

(2): tris, RadiantCowbells

Plum

(1): RCEnigma

Flopz

(1): Aristophanes

tris

(1): Plum

Not voting (2): Bellaphant, Iconeum

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to two weeks from day start, in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

Spoiler: phenomenology aardvark

Vote Count 1.18

Aristophanes

(4): MathBlade, teacher, Flopz, skitter30

RadiantCowbells

(3): Xtoxm, the worst, Aristophanes

the worst

(2): tris, RadiantCowbells

Plum

(1): RCEnigma

tris

(1): Plum

Not voting (2): Bellaphant, Iconeum

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to two weeks from day start, in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

Spoiler: glistening the grass falls down down below

Vote Count 1.19

the worst

(5): tris, skitter30, RadiantCowbells, Plum, MathBlade

RadiantCowbells

(3): Xtoxm, the worst, Aristophanes

Aristophanes

(2): teacher, Flopz

Plum

(1): RCEnigma

Not voting (2): Bellaphant, Iconeum

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to two weeks from day start, in (expired on 2020-01-16 22:00:00).

what were scum doing here-ish if it's ari/tris/plum?

@Skitter re wagons
Lurking til RC wore the wagon down and then Plum lurked just enough to vote TW
I called Plum out for being willing to vote TW but not Ari

None of their votes moved except Plum and Ari

[teacher]

sorry, i don't really want to look at most of day1/day2 either, take your time

if you just have general things 'how ari was behaving when xyz happened' without like quoting posts that would be good too

Nah I actually want to kinda do it fully myself too, for my own benefit.

[skitter30]

ari was very very very nearly lynched tho
so neither tried to form any cw and were content to just lurk it out and watch him get wagoned?

[skitter30]

also i'm getting kinda tired, will prob be bouncing soonish

[MathBlade]

ari was very very very nearly lynched tho
so neither tried to form any cw and were content to just lurk it out and watch him get wagoned?

More like they read like newb scum that didn’t know what to do
It matches the apathy.
And Ari’s scum meta is to lurk and be buddy per Molla and Titus

[teacher]

Newbie 1209

FFS, you say "almost always" and I ask for evidence, and you come up with a single game????? But no. If that would work, "Normal 2016" right back at you. JKs are slightly (but only slightly) more likely to keep a killer than killer. Not "almost always"

[teacher]

ari was very very very nearly lynched tho
so neither tried to form any cw and were content to just lurk it out and watch him get wagoned?

Faith in RC being RC and destroying his early game wagons?

[MathBlade]

Newbie 1209

FFS, you say "almost always" and I ask for evidence, and you come up with a single game????? But no. If that would work, "Normal 2016" right back at you. JKs are slightly (but only slightly) more likely to keep a killer than killer. Not "almost always"

That wasn’t just one game if you look closely.

It was one of the most veteran players on site with a guideline

It’s a precautionary measure against deep wolves.

I am not sure what you’re hoping to achieve here

I am doing what I can on mobile with flu for a sitewide standard that’s existed since as far back as I can remember.

Are you aiming to convince me 20+ years of experience is wrong? This is probably not the space and detracts from hunting.

What is your goal?

[teacher]

What you are saying is demonstrably wrong, whether by pure math or by RCE's flip in this game. But Im not trying to convince you its wrong.

Im assessing the strength of your belief in the demonstrably wrong. Because that does matter into how to read your day 3.

So Im trying to see if it is an article of pure faith for you -- "a sitewide standard that's existed" and so must remain so despite the lack of evidence, or if there is something more there.

(o be clear, I too believe killer is more likely than killee, but only marginally rather than your absolutely)

[MathBlade]

This has been something that I have been aware of and avoided as scum. It’s like literally just is.

Look at Shadowrun where I was a “jailkeeper” (Alien) and universally townread. Had to coordinate against a town doctor to prevent these types of scenarios. It turned into 2 v a billion and my scum partner was always in the pool.

It’s just something I’ve seen a lot