Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[Iconeum]

UNVOTE:

[teacher]

Don't think anyone actually said why they think it is a bad idea, everyone just say no we're not doing that without remotely explaining.

The only bad thing about this plan is "we lose icos voice for a day" and this is solvable by my method of deciding tomorrow's lynch.

OK, try it another way. What's the benefit (leaving town!Ico)? B/c theres no world where I consider Ico scum, and Ill suck ass if thats wrong.

[Iconeum]

DO THATHectic literally just successfully hunted me-scum down.

this was wrt to a callout that Hectic is gonna investigate shos

REALLY doesn't feel like how scum respond to this

[Iconeum]

How I'm reading shos now:

Very calm, and he feels like someone baffled by the fact that these ignorant plebs are ignoring his master plan to win the game for them
Really townie vibes despite me not agreeing with the actual content of the posts

[shos]

1. Decide that we NL today.
2. Discuss who we want to Lynch. After we have agreed, you sound your thoughts about what of they flip scum/town, and then we nolynch.

I think a NL asap is best

Which did/do you want?

to be clear: asap means better today than tomorrow, not LETS END TODAY NOW

From what I read by now my gut tells me that Math is scum.

[Iconeum]

My biggest issue with shos right now is his complete and utter lack of gamesolving
His reads don't make sense

[Iconeum]

From what I read by now my gut tells me that Math is scum.

you were literally townreading math a couple hours ago
math hasnt really changed his tone or angle on you so???

[teacher]

Ico, I have to do grading stuff, but can you talk about me/skit? Like I think your reads were upside down, but I have a hard time seeing that train of thought and Im surprised you arent testing the waters in any way with either of us.

[Iconeum]

Suad Xtoxm math is v possible

Look at my previous reasoning

The one math is ignoring

+1 to that
I think if we add RCE to that pool we're solved
2 scum in {xtom Math RCE}

ok since everyone and their mother is insisting that we stop throwing shade at scum but are just handing

doc!Ico

on a platter to them

I hardclaim a protective

Math is inno

We are lynching shos today. If that flips scum, RC is next.

That’s called a doctor claim (see bolded)

That is not a Doctor claim.

.

Adding this to the 'scumslip' Math caught me in
VOTE: Math
I'm more sure of this now actually
his partner probably RCE

It’s rather telling shos hasn’t caught up even just on the last day yet was responding. He’s clearly faking it. Between that and the hammer I am just gonna go with I was shot for being 3/3 on day one and shos/Ari.

Skitter if you’re going to mislynch me do it now or join me on shos or Ari please.

I agree with u on shos, actually. It looks fake that he's saying he doesnt remember things like massclaim happening when i know he participated in it.

@shos is hito/rest of your team still reading?

Also ur still my preferred lynch by a fairly large margin

I remembered that some have claimed, just didn't know if that was everyone. Don't misrep me

Also I do apologize for my lazy play, but yeah, not quite existing in the first 200 pages kinda takes its toll.

By Poe, I am left with Ari/math/xtom. Admittedly I don't actually scumread those three (only xtomx), but I truly hard townread teacher and Skittles and it appears that everyone believes ico so .

I think a NL asap is best; if there's actually a doc, scum will shoot him because another successful doc gets is another mislynch. If they don't, we get valuable info.

Also btw before o get back to work:

My reads
Skitter and teacher are locktown on my end. I townread you too ico.
Ari wiggles in my head for a while, was asking stuff about his latest meta my team but it appears it's NAI or something, still bugs me and his correlation with the flips is bad for him
Xtomx has been bad imo for a long while now
Math I believe is town but my Poe doesn't exclude him
Flopz
I forgot he existed

1. Decide that we NL today.
2. Discuss who we want to Lynch. After we have agreed, you sound your thoughts about what of they flip scum/town, and then we nolynch.

I think a NL asap is best

Which did/do you want?

to be clear: asap means better today than tomorrow, not LETS END TODAY NOW

From what I read by now my gut tells me that Math is scum.

like wtf is this progression on math???

[shos]

What you are saying is demonstrably wrong, whether by pure math or by RCE's flip in this game. But Im not trying to convince you its wrong.

Im assessing the strength of your belief in the demonstrably wrong. Because that does matter into how to read your day 3.

So Im trying to see if it is an article of pure faith for you -- "a sitewide standard that's existed" and so must remain so despite the lack of evidence, or if there is something more there.

(o be clear, I too believe killer is more likely than killee, but only marginally rather than your absolutely)

Don't think it matters much but I essentially did the math earlier and it is precisely 6 times more likely. We acted well on lynching RCE and nobody is getting blamed for that. Fact is that this supports mathematically the notion that ico is in fact a successful ER doc, and that's it. Not proof, not blame, just support.

OMG fuckers let me catch up!!!!!

[Iconeum]

Ico, I have to do grading stuff, but can you talk about me/skit? Like I think your reads were upside down, but I have a hard time seeing that train of thought and Im surprised you arent testing the waters in any way with either of us.

i'm constantly doubting both your slots, but i end up going in circles

it's always 'skitter pushed that saud wagon so hard' and 'teacher just isn't scum here'

[Iconeum]

Also if ico is scum and endgames everyone you're all going to get a nice "SUCK MY ASS YAW" meme. I'll think which one it will be

and this is the other townie ping I got, basicly a perspective slip

i won't say this can't possibly be faked, but it sure doesn't feel faked to me

[Iconeum]

my current opinion on shos is that he could possible be town who needs to start getting his shit together

[Iconeum]

and also where is ari :s

[Iconeum]

(also also we need to start moving this game again - the large theme is gaining ground on us - they are now just 60 pages behind)

[implosion]

Spoiler: delve throughout the floorboards

Vote Count 4.5

shos

(2): MathBlade, Xtoxm

MathBlade

(1): skitter30

Aristophanes

(1): teacher

Not Voting (4): Aristophanes, shos, Flopz, Iconeum

With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to 1:00 AM PST on the 20th, in (expired on 2020-02-20 05:00:00).

[shos]

Don't think anyone actually said why they think it is a bad idea, everyone just say no we're not doing that without remotely explaining.

The only bad thing about this plan is "we lose icos voice for a day" and this is solvable by my method of deciding tomorrow's lynch.

i've asked you repeatedly to start working on 'who will tomorrow's lynch be'

plz do that

I am currently leaning towards Ari.
The reasons are mainly tonal and PoE. I am fighting with myself as to whether or not I want xtomx lynched right now, because getting that slot to lylo would be terribad imo. My math read is swinging back and forth based on literally any post he writes, and the Titus thing only made me scumread that slot further. Titus loves scum activity. Anyway.

I have set aside flopz for now as his recent answer to me actually was good. If need we can sort him later. Imo we have enough good townreads to continue the game, and with everyone TRing you, it's practically 3 unlynchables which I agree with, which is good. Ari is the only one I cannot argue

against

lynching, and therefore if I had to vig anyone it would be him.

[shos]

P. Sure I responded to all questions in 7723

[Iconeum]

Ico it's worth to restate that you only claimed protective in D2 and not Doc. So you wouldn't have gotten counterclaimed "on the spot" anyways as people may have assumed you were Doc, you never outright stated it. You only claimed Doc today. I wouldn't put it past a very good scum player to think that as nobody claimed Doc in D2 when everyone assumed they were Doc that nobody was in fact Doc. Still very risky tho but less risky than an outright claim yesterday.

I strongly felt that scum wouldn't publicly burn off any cred they have/had to push against my claim if they can just opt for a kill. If this gained traction and flipped me, scum!him is in a pretty bad spot. And I think it's p townie to just spew this out as your feelings, comes from town imo.

So with the JK role factored in. I'm ignoring RC's fantastical no shot taken approach.

RCE + Ico scum team. That would be too much of a gambit imo.

RCE scum and Ico is misled Doc. RCE Town and Ico is misled Doc (Math could be either Town or Scum here). (RCE was the NK)
Both of these are certainly not particularly out there.

RCE Town and Ico is Doc that did the save (+Math Town obv). Triple Town is always possible but I'm not sure on the likelihood.

RCE town + Ico Scum + Math Town. (RCE was the NK) This could actually be a viable theory, it's pretty hit/miss to try that but not impossible. If it didn't work, scum would at least get an outed Doc.

RCE town + Ico Scum + Math Scum. I'm not a fan of any of the double scum theories.

This felt honest and solvey.

This isn't a LAMISTy question but a Noobie one. In these types of games is it normal for there to be so many VTs?

ping ping ping ping ping

3. What's your read on flopz? The fact that like nobody is worried about him concerns me

Speaking on that, I was "pleasantly" (confused) surprised by me not being in your top 3 scumreads. Why?

What has changed for you Skitter?

this interaction with you, skitter. I hard townread flopz for it.

[Iconeum]

The reasons are mainly tonal and PoE

how is this the best you can come up with

really feels like ur just scum who doesn't wanna be caught trying to fake a gamesolve/scumread, because you already have extremely bad reads trajectory on a bunch of players

[shos]

Don't think anyone actually said why they think it is a bad idea, everyone just say no we're not doing that without remotely explaining.

The only bad thing about this plan is "we lose icos voice for a day" and this is solvable by my method of deciding tomorrow's lynch.

OK, try it another way. What's the benefit (leaving town!Ico)? B/c theres no world where I consider Ico scum, and Ill suck ass if thats wrong.

1. Easier to get a scum Lynch (less towniest needed)
2. 'proof' of ico, good for sanity, or much better info with anyone else dead
3. Forcing scum to make one of their kills in a less-informed state

[teacher]

Ico, I have to do grading stuff, but can you talk about me/skit? Like I think your reads were upside down, but I have a hard time seeing that train of thought and Im surprised you arent testing the waters in any way with either of us.

i'm constantly doubting both your slots, but i end up going in circles

it's always 'skitter pushed that saud wagon so hard' and 'teacher just isn't scum here'

IIRC, and I havent checked this, Skit didnt push Saud that hard. In fact, I think she initially pushed against it for a bit (pref'ing shos, and saying shed be able to read saud in time) and flipped only when momentum felt strong that way. That was my broad takeaway from that time, but Im not double checking it

[teacher]

3. Forcing scum to make one of their kills in a less-informed state

Whats the less informed state, if we are doing that whole full discussion thing.

[shos]

How I'm reading shos now:

Very calm, and he feels like someone baffled by the fact that these ignorant plebs are ignoring his master plan to win the game for them
Really townie vibes despite me not agreeing with the actual content of the posts

LOL YES
Plebs

Hilarious

[shos]

From what I read by now my gut tells me that Math is scum.

you were literally townreading math a couple hours ago
math hasnt really changed his tone or angle on you so???

Math has made two (!) Attempts to call my posts scumslips. On one hand, bias etc. On another hand, math has played with me a lot and knows that as scum I am computed as FUCK. See for example the recent cult loss I linked to (just my latest game) - read the cult PT. When I am scum, I am just about as careful and calculated as one can be, to the point where I consider the timestamps on my posts to make it look like I'm surprised etc if needed (see: my CC to poyzin). Scumslips? Lol. He is reaaaaaally pushing it and grasping at straws. That's why gut.