Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

Iconeum · Post Post #7750 (ISO) » Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:31 pm

In post 7749, shos wrote:
In post 7731, Iconeum wrote:
In post 7729, shos wrote:From what I read by now my gut tells me that Math is scum.
you were literally townreading math a couple hours ago
math hasnt really changed his tone or angle on you so???
Math has made two (!) Attempts to call my posts scumslips. On one hand, bias etc. On another hand, math has played with me a lot and knows that as scum I am computed as FUCK. See for example the recent cult loss I linked to (just my latest game) - read the cult PT. When I am scum, I am just about as careful and calculated as one can be, to the point where I consider the timestamps on my posts to make it look like I'm surprised etc if needed (see: my CC to poyzin). Scumslips? Lol. He is reaaaaaally pushing it and grasping at straws. That's why gut.

@Math, can confirm?

Iconeum · Post Post #7751 (ISO) » Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:34 pm

In post 7745, shos wrote:
In post 7726, teacher wrote:
In post 7720, shos wrote:Don't think anyone actually said why they think it is a bad idea, everyone just say no we're not doing that without remotely explaining.

The only bad thing about this plan is "we lose icos voice for a day" and this is solvable by my method of deciding tomorrow's lynch.
OK, try it another way. What's the benefit (leaving town!Ico)? B/c theres no world where I consider Ico scum, and Ill suck ass if thats wrong.
1. Easier to get a scum Lynch (less towniest needed)
2. 'proof' of ico, good for sanity, or much better info with anyone else dead
3. Forcing scum to make one of their kills in a less-informed state

This is also kinda the stuff I mentioned. I don't agree with most of this, but I don't scumread shos for it either?

1)Easier to get a scum lynch isn't true, because while needing 1 less vote you also HAVE 1 less town vote to work with. But that's from my perspective.
2)I suppose due dilligence from town allows this?
3)Eh. I think town always needs to maintain initiative, and the best way to do that is thru lynching. It's strategy vs odds I guess.

shos · Post Post #7752 (ISO) » Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:41 pm

In post 7747, teacher wrote:
In post 7745, shos wrote:3. Forcing scum to make one of their kills in a less-informed state
Whats the less informed state, if we are doing that whole full discussion thing.

Well for one we only assume ico dies
If he doesn't die, we reconsider, using his thoughts. Hopefully it forces scums hand into proving ico is doc.

shos · Post Post #7753 (ISO) » Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:43 pm

In post 7751, Iconeum wrote:
In post 7745, shos wrote:
In post 7726, teacher wrote:
In post 7720, shos wrote:Don't think anyone actually said why they think it is a bad idea, everyone just say no we're not doing that without remotely explaining.

The only bad thing about this plan is "we lose icos voice for a day" and this is solvable by my method of deciding tomorrow's lynch.
OK, try it another way. What's the benefit (leaving town!Ico)? B/c theres no world where I consider Ico scum, and Ill suck ass if thats wrong.
1. Easier to get a scum Lynch (less towniest needed)
2. 'proof' of ico, good for sanity, or much better info with anyone else dead
3. Forcing scum to make one of their kills in a less-informed state
This is also kinda the stuff I mentioned. I don't agree with most of this, but I don't scumread shos for it either?

1)Easier to get a scum lynch isn't true, because while needing 1 less vote you also HAVE 1 less town vote to work with. But that's from my perspective.
2)I suppose due dilligence from town allows this?
3)Eh. I think town always needs to maintain initiative, and the best way to do that is thru lynching. It's strategy vs odds I guess.

1. Yup, less townies to convince to vote there.
3. You are in even numbers. Eventually you WILL nolynch. Question is not if, it is when.

teacher · Post Post #7754 (ISO) » Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:52 pm

In post 7574, Iconeum wrote:cannot

resist

temptation

(sorrynotsorry)

teacher · Post Post #7755 (ISO) » Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:53 pm

In post 7575, Iconeum wrote:

teacher · Post Post #7756 (ISO) » Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:53 pm

sorry I actually didnt mean to do that.... getting loopy sleep deprived.

Iconeum · Post Post #7757 (ISO) » Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:59 pm

good quotes tho

shos · Post Post #7758 (ISO) » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:26 pm

PLEBS

shos · Post Post #7759 (ISO) » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:30 pm

Sorry that was so hilarious I'm still laughing about it every couple of minutes while working. Specifically the word plebs

shos · Post Post #7760 (ISO) » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:30 pm

It just sounds so stupid and accurate

Iconeum · Post Post #7761 (ISO) » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:47 pm

To anyone scumreading Ari:

how do you feel about his relation to the saud lynch?

@shos in particular, you think Ari is scum. Like, your only main scumread right now?
He was focused on lynching scum, and he kept calling you out for going against what is now certain a scum wagon. Yet you scumread him because PoE?

Iconeum · Post Post #7762 (ISO) » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:53 pm

I don't think Ari is scum. I think skitter recognizes this. Don't agree with skitter's math read (or i'm just not ready to accept that?), but I am a lot less certain about flopz then I was previously when rereading his ISO.

Shos remains a very difficult read. There are town pings, like calling out someone to meta read him 'please do so', his response to math about previous game and how he acts a lot more calculated as scum. HOWEVER there's such a shitton of content that's so easily scumread. His reads don't make sense. His progression doesn't make sense.
Is shos literally the mislynch scum are aiming for, or is it actually just scum? That's what's going thru my mind right now.

Teacher - not sure. I don't scumread him. I like his solving and engaging the players.

Math hasn't made a lot of sense during the game, but I liked how he reacted to my protection of him? I think I townread his reaction to Bella's claim and I strongly feel scum don't go bananas like that in the main thread over it. Scum would have a lot more calculated response to that.

Iconeum · Post Post #7763 (ISO) » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:54 pm

Is it flopz/shos?

Math/flopz?

Iconeum · Post Post #7764 (ISO) » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:55 pm

oh and i look over xtoxm

hmmmm

xtoxm/flopz/shos for both remaining scum?
does this make sense wrt to the saud lynch?

Flopz · Post Post #7765 (ISO) » Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:50 am

In post 7716, shos wrote:
In post 7633, Flopz wrote:
In post 7630, shos wrote: I was never town there, lol, I started the game as cult. Perhaps fooled people that I got culted so good that after endgame? XD
He said he was talking about this game. https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=81377
I was a cultist there too.. perhaps there's a misunderstanding?

Did you like forget to read the literal next post or sth. It might even be helpful to read the one straight after that too and give your thoughts if you have any.

Flopz · Post Post #7766 (ISO) » Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:01 am

Woah Ico, I wasn't expecting me to jump right into your solves after your earlier posts.

I was pretty down with the Sausage lynch throughout, I was never against it and gave my reasons for why (while almost breaking TOS, thanks Ari and Skitter for telling me that). There was the small deviation to RCE after the real-time debacle and that was because I was happy with a lynch where RC and Math (two high TRs for me at the time) both agreed on someone for once but after RC refused I jumped back.

Flopz · Post Post #7767 (ISO) » Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:07 am

In post 7703, teacher wrote:
In post 7524, Flopz wrote:fun digging through ISO's which I should hopefully do in the weekend.
Did this happen?

I looked through Tris/Sausage (which was used to stop SR Skitter) and Shos (with Hectic).

Iconeum · Post Post #7768 (ISO) » Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:11 am

In post 7766, Flopz wrote:Woah Ico, I wasn't expecting me to jump right into your solves after your earlier posts.

I mean im' going around in circles

I'm well aware

not all of it makes sense lol

Flopz · Post Post #7769 (ISO) » Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:12 am

I totally understand that feeling lol

Iconeum · Post Post #7770 (ISO) » Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:14 am

part of me wants to take the obvious route which is shos, there's every incentive for me to push that lynch right now

but it feels too easy?

otoh, if he's not scum then i'm def wrong in one of my towns so fuck me right

teacher · Post Post #7771 (ISO) » Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:24 am

When did xtomx claim hooded relative to Bella’s claim. Iirc, it was before the jk. I can’t check while at school, but that’s one of my main reasons to tr him, along with a completely believable portrayal of the hood thread and picking up details today.

On Ari, I don’t recall him pushing saud hard, but he’s my goal for a reread tonight.

Xtoxm · Post Post #7772 (ISO) » Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:17 am

a word of advice, ico
you're extremely difficult to work with
a large part of this game is securing mutual townreads and working with them to solve the game
everyone townreads you. you have free pick. but you cant sustain a tr anywhere
anytime you tr someone theyre back in your poe soon enough
we cant work well with someone whos constantly coming back to suspicion on us, or at least i cant

look at the last 3 posts of bellas iso - attempting to work with teacher
this is why i believe she was killed over you, despite your high thread presence, and is the single strongest reason to tr teacher
your reads change like the wind and you're hard to follow, which is a lot less scary to scum than town who tr each other

Xtoxm · Post Post #7773 (ISO) » Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:19 am

i checked and it was after.
not really sure what the difference there is tho?

Xtoxm · Post Post #7774 (ISO) » Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:53 am

In post 7652, skitter30 wrote:can someone tell me why they are townreading math and/or flopz plz

math:
-i like the moonlogic and deepwolf hunting
-i like what titus has been saying thru him
-tr me before the cool kids were doing it
-gut

also have respect for titus vca and dont think it should be dismissed out of hand. she was shouted down over her vca read on nacl for multiple days in the open.