it could be personality =/= it's personality.In post 1573, Chara wrote:and if it's because he's scum, then i think it's a deliberate way to make him difficult to argue with, and possibly an attempt to emulate headstrong town.
...did you end up reading my wiki page? You asked for a source to read my meta, some 20 pages ago or something. At least i think it was you. My meta is pretty much consistent with this game, town and scum alike. I am active, passionate, stubborn, megalomaniac, at times unpleasant, but often correct after a few trial and error iterations. So far i have never lost a game. I have never been lynched. I only mislynched town (as town) 3 times, and one of them was me trying to compromise on lynching a townread of mine (Egix, day 4 of Normal 2106). I think my scumrange is large enough to make me almost unreadable, that's why i often justify scumreads of meIn post 1573, Chara wrote:that's what i'm trying to figure out here. it's why i'm not voting to lynch him right now. i'mIn post 1568, Psyche wrote:I suppose my perception is that, despite your protestations, the rationales provided for your farkran scumreads are indistinguishable from criticisms of his play.
The "i haven't seen evidence of Farkran really considering any outside opinions about... basically anything" line is, again, a good example of this. How does that connect to him being scum?
I'd really rather Chara answer over anyone else pushing the wagon.notconfident he's scum.
if it's his personality, he can show me that himself in response. and if itis, maybe that could prompt some sort of rethinking on how he approaches the game. i don't know. mafia's a team game and i don't think soloing it is a good idea in the first place.
and if it's because he's scum, then i think it's a deliberate way to make him difficult to argue with, and possibly an attempt to emulate headstrong town.
again, your reasoning for him being town would be nice.
i sympathize but i don't think this is really productive anymore.In post 1599, Replica wrote:Really Replica? Can you noteven imaginea world where we are in fact both scum? Why are you opposing this lynch so much?
somebody please kill me
I will say in a normal I played with Farkran, he was so deeply pocketed by scum bob he didn’t seem to consider outside opinions on it. We did end up winning though. Meh.In post 1566, Chara wrote:also Replica, i replied to your Bingle towncase and wanted to know if you had anything from this game.
pedit: if Farkran is always like this, it's personality. there's no way to know that without poking at it, which is why i wanted Farkran to reply.
and it'sstillan issue if he's town.
I don’t understand why you don’t get the implications of “I don’t feel good enough about it to commit”In post 1595, Amrun wrote:In post 1504, Chemist1422 wrote:I’d say somewhere around traitor
so basically it’s a scumread but I don’t trust myself to not be confbiasing it, and no one else have real thoughts on it
I don’t understand why this post doesn’t have a vote in it.
Eh, you are asking to me if i would like to be listened more? Yeah, i do. At least about the strategy to pursue in this game. I am not claiming i have the bestest reads in the world, but i definitely will not if we are not getting flips. The main reason i pushed so strong on a Hectic lynch instead of you, given that i scumread both with pretty much the same amount of confidence, is because Hectic has been much more in the spotlight than you were. Hectic was the top spare wagon in d1, i was the top fight wagon, and the wagons almost overlapped entirely. Don't you find that at least a tiny bitIn post 1596, Chara wrote:there's more to reply to, but i'm not talking about reconsidering a read or reacting to the gamestate, i'm talking about things like taking criticism, or having your opinion changed through the opinion of a different player. team town play. when you said i was being confusing i made a concentrated effort to be less confusing and have hopefully been less so since.
not everyone plays like that. i gave Wisdom as an example of someone who often doesn't (i think he still has his title for that), but there are plenty.
i want you to respond to my assertion that the players townreading you don't seem to listen to you. there was Bingle, but he was sheeping and said he hadn't looked at the case. do you think they should listen? do you wonder why they don't? is my actual assertion wrong and you are being listened to? am i wrong to say the players TRing you don't like your play? that's what i want to know. it's information i could mine from the thread but that just isn't feasible for me right now and i'd like your opinion anyway.
also, your case on me and Hectic remains something scum could have done but a situation that also has a town explanation, as Hectic already pointed out.
as for dodging game-changing events; i gave my opinion on that when it happened. that's not dodging, it's disagreeing.
and given how much i've gone back and forth on you, i find it rather inaccurate to say i haven't been reconsidering anything either.
i'm not going to vote you because i'm not confident you'll flip scum. i want to spare. if i can't spare Hectic then i have other options for that. if you flip red you flip red. if you flip green you flip green.
In post 1598, Replica wrote:I'm still floored that I am actually being asked to justify why I think it would be a bad idea to follow my strongest scumread in a lynch on my strongest townread
Have you ever heard of a concept called "bussing"? Do i recall wrong, or was it you who claimed that this game could be a direct extension of Newbie 1958? Could you inform the class as of why i won that game specifically?In post 1599, Replica wrote:Really Replica? Can you noteven imaginea world where we are in fact both scum? Why are you opposing this lynch so much?
somebody please kill me
This is unfortunately true. It's not really nice of you to avoid mentioning that i dodged the first mislynch correctly, i pushed 2 out of 3 scum correctly while everyone else was scumreading me/egix, but yeah. I was completely burned and frustrated by that game, and your read of bob was better than mine. I respect you for that.In post 1605, Amrun wrote:I will say in a normal I played with Farkran, he was so deeply pocketed by scum bob he didn’t seem to consider outside opinions on it. We did end up winning though. Meh.In post 1566, Chara wrote:also Replica, i replied to your Bingle towncase and wanted to know if you had anything from this game.
pedit: if Farkran is always like this, it's personality. there's no way to know that without poking at it, which is why i wanted Farkran to reply.
and it'sstillan issue if he's town.
If the first is right, a Bingle flip is a terrible idea.In post 1610, Farkran wrote:both town!Bingle AND scum!Farkran
In post 1613, Replica wrote:If the first is right, a Bingle flip is a terrible idea.In post 1610, Farkran wrote:both town!Bingle AND scum!Farkran
If the second is right, there are two possible worlds. The first is that you are bussing. A Bingle flip is fine. The second is that you are not bussing. A Bingle flip is a terrible idea. These are not equally probable worlds.
It's not logical AND, it's logical OR.
Nope - you specifically said that both outcomes combined are why you described this gamestate as "the brink of disaster". You have seen Farkran S-2, Bingle F-3, and you panicked. Sparing scum i can understand - it's catastrophically bad, but as i explained in 1589, my spare (the catastrophical result that you are afraid of) is largely less probable than a Bingle lynch despite the 1 vote difference in my favor. Lynching town is bad, but not game-losing levels of bad - on the contrary, every flip would help improving this situation where deciding for a day resolution is a pain, every day. And this is assuming Bingle is town in the first place. You not acknowledging the possibility that he's scum, and panicking over a single potential town mislynch is what's concerning to me. So far, we have spared 1 town player. We have 3 more days in phase 1, then 1-2 more days in phase 2 depending on the route selected. How is this a bad gamestate, resultwise? The bad thing in this gamestate is the town disharmony, a situation which would be helped immensely by a flip. That you are opposing with all your heart and soul for... pretty much no reason at all.In post 1614, Replica wrote:If neither are right, then yes, I have a huge problem...but of course you do when your two biggest reads are wrong. This does not mean "Let people lynch whoever lol"
nothing I do is noteworthy so you might be waiting a whileIn post 1615, Replica wrote:Alright, it is time to PUT THE COMPUTER AWAY and GO OUTSIDE. If I post again before Chemist/Psyche/Nacho do something noteworthy someone slap me
I do get it. But realistically, where do you want the day to go? Is that end realistic? Could you compromise on a Bingle lynch to achieve something worthwhile in the game?In post 1606, Chemist1422 wrote:I don’t understand why you don’t get the implications of “I don’t feel good enough about it to commit”In post 1595, Amrun wrote:In post 1504, Chemist1422 wrote:I’d say somewhere around traitor
so basically it’s a scumread but I don’t trust myself to not be confbiasing it, and no one else have real thoughts on it
I don’t understand why this post doesn’t have a vote in it.
Sorry, that wasn’t meant to be a comment on the overall correctness of your reads that game! It was specifically about being intractable on a particular point while having a town alignment. So it was a counterpoint, if you will, to Chara’s assertion that it’s scummy from you. I think it’s probably NAI. (It’s also not a value judgment - I have utterly convinced myself of many things, conclusions both right AND wrong, in this game we call mafia.)In post 1611, Farkran wrote:This is unfortunately true. It's not really nice of you to avoid mentioning that i dodged the first mislynch correctly, i pushed 2 out of 3 scum correctly while everyone else was scumreading me/egix, but yeah. I was completely burned and frustrated by that game, and your read of bob was better than mine. I respect you for that.In post 1605, Amrun wrote:I will say in a normal I played with Farkran, he was so deeply pocketed by scum bob he didn’t seem to consider outside opinions on it. We did end up winning though. Meh.In post 1566, Chara wrote:also Replica, i replied to your Bingle towncase and wanted to know if you had anything from this game.
pedit: if Farkran is always like this, it's personality. there's no way to know that without poking at it, which is why i wanted Farkran to reply.
and it'sstillan issue if he's town.
For me it's something likeIn post 1618, Amrun wrote:I do get it. But realistically, where do you want the day to go? Is that end realistic? Could you compromise on a Bingle lynch to achieve something worthwhile in the game?In post 1606, Chemist1422 wrote:I don’t understand why you don’t get the implications of “I don’t feel good enough about it to commit”In post 1595, Amrun wrote:In post 1504, Chemist1422 wrote:I’d say somewhere around traitor
so basically it’s a scumread but I don’t trust myself to not be confbiasing it, and no one else have real thoughts on it
I don’t understand why this post doesn’t have a vote in it.
Can I trade you votes, or make a deal, or something? I’m trying to converse.
there's nothing here thatIn post 1600, Chara wrote:it could be personality =/= it's personality.In post 1573, Chara wrote:and if it's because he's scum, then i think it's a deliberate way to make him difficult to argue with, and possibly an attempt to emulate headstrong town.
you're not going to agree with me but don't pretend i can't scumread someone while also continuing to sort them.