Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[MathBlade]

also it's not just the rce lynch, it's the whole nonsensical team-spouting, traitor, setup-spec thing that you did
and that you were trying to push that you were conftown day2, which i still hate

hate yes, but do you actually scumread that? i don't

his pushing himself as conftown D2 speaks louder as town then scum?

his setup spec, while hilarious, didn't read as scummy to me

no, i think taht this comes from scum more often than from town
also, i dislike the setup spec because it's making us go down wild goose chases that are quite possibly wrong.
like, for example, the rce thing

Townblocks are the most important thing in games like this.

I have been working all game towards having one.

Work with your town block and find scum.

[skitter30]

can someone tell me why they are townreading math and/or flopz plz

math:
-i like the moonlogic and deepwolf hunting
-i like what titus has been saying thru him
-tr me before the cool kids were doing it
-gut

also have respect for titus vca and dont think it should be dismissed out of hand. she was shouted down over her vca read on nacl for multiple days in the open.

when did he start townreading you?

[skitter30]

To anyone scumreading Ari:

how do you feel about his relation to the saud lynch?

@shos in particular, you think Ari is scum. Like, your only main scumread right now?
He was focused on lynching scum, and he kept calling you out for going against what is now certain a scum wagon. Yet you scumread him because PoE?

iirc i had to talk him into it and he was initially rather resistant

Ari was and is resistant to do anything all game lol

Pedit yes

i don't think this entirely accurately describes ari's game, no
and your confidence on scum!shos here is making me wary tbh
his content is bad but i really don't think his tone comes from scum here?

[skitter30]

Please enlighten me. If my memory serves right, and correct me if I'm wrong because indeed my memory of that part of the game is blurry - Math jumped the opportunity to make himself appear conftown, and still pushed the angle of him-conf-town even despite the jailkeeper claim. Don't you think this is EXACTLY what scum would do when given the opportunity? Town can never ever find out how the kill failed if there was one at all, and if this bases him as conftown it's good to coast to endgame. Definitely worth the attempt.

^

[MathBlade]

**shakes head**

I literally have asked everyone to figure out what they think happened on N1 and make sure that contributes to their reads.

I fail to see how I am still screaming I am conf town here

[MathBlade]

And yes quite frankly unless you believe RCE shot and Xtom neighborized I am still conf town based on N1

And if you do believe the former then use that as a starting spot and ask why Xtom neighborized by scum?

Assume I am scum then what do you learn about N1?

[skitter30]

But waaait? I hear you say: what if Math is scum and shos is town?
Then Xtom has to be town/not group scum as mentioned before as a neighborize use would have happened as scum don’t shoot who they neighborize.

yes this is kinda the univers i think we're living in

pedit not now, i'm talking about day2
although in literally the post i'm quoting above (or the post before that) you have a conclusion pointing to how we ought to be tr'ing you mechanically too, but whatever

[skitter30]

And yes quite frankly unless you believe RCE shot and Xtom neighborized I am still conf town based on N1

And if you do believe the former then use that as a starting spot and ask why Xtom neighborized by scum?

Assume I am scum then what do you learn about N1?

i have no idea what why scum may have chosen to neighborize xtoxm
but i'm assuming they didn't no-neighborize

so they either nk'd you and neighborized rce
or they nk'd rce and neighborized xtoxm

those are kinda the only two possibilities
or i guess technically rc could have been neighborized but i imagine he would have claimed that if that had been a thing

[skitter30]

if you're town i think that they would have nk'd rce over you to perpetuate a math/rc conflict tbh

[skitter30]

No one else has claimed to be neighborized. Therefore one of two options:
1) Xtom is telling the truth and cannot be group scum. Therefore town or traitor.
2) Xtom is lying and scum and therefore RCE was neighborize target and then that makes me the shot as scum don’t kill who they neighborize.

do you think we live in unvierse 1 or 2

[MathBlade]

So first option nk me and neighborize RCE. >> This means that I as scum would shoot myself N1 and have Ico conveniently claim to “save” me and Xtom conviently lie and say neighborize with no traitor so you’d have at least one town lie for no reason whatsoever ever so here let’s go with the simpler option that I am town.

Second option NK’d RCE and neighborized Xtom+RCE is much more logical if you want to keep up I am scum

[skitter30]

Spoiler:

an out for what?

i didn't know that post was a crime

an out for what?

Random fluff. Random post + disappear = bad.

Random fluff + response = good

Random fluff + Garcia = ???

Garcia? What?

It's not like the party hat in the avatar changes that's it's fluff

good god maybe math was on to something
math/shos/saudade is never a thing at least

[MathBlade]

No one else has claimed to be neighborized. Therefore one of two options:
1) Xtom is telling the truth and cannot be group scum. Therefore town or traitor.
2) Xtom is lying and scum and therefore RCE was neighborize target and then that makes me the shot as scum don’t kill who they neighborize.

do you think we live in unvierse 1 or 2

I think 1

[skitter30]

So first option nk me and neighborize RCE. >> This means that I as scum would shoot myself N1 and have Ico conveniently claim to “save” me and Xtom conviently lie and say neighborize with no traitor so you’d have at least one town lie for no reason whatsoever ever so here let’s go with the simpler option that I am town.

Second option NK’d RCE and neighborized Xtom+RCE is much more logical if you want to keep up I am scum

i'm literally saying we live in the second universe

(actually i'm saying that it's p difficult to know what happened but that the second universe is much more likely)

[MathBlade]

So first option nk me and neighborize RCE. >> This means that I as scum would shoot myself N1 and have Ico conveniently claim to “save” me and Xtom conviently lie and say neighborize with no traitor so you’d have at least one town lie for no reason whatsoever ever so here let’s go with the simpler option that I am town.

Second option NK’d RCE and neighborized Xtom+RCE is much more logical if you want to keep up I am scum

i'm literally saying we live in the second universe

(actually i'm saying that it's p difficult to know what happened but that the second universe is much more likely)

The option scum shoot RCE I find less likely than shooting town me. I just think the jail is a coincidence but I don’t have outright proof of such.

[MathBlade]

Spoiler:

an out for what?

i didn't know that post was a crime

an out for what?

Random fluff. Random post + disappear = bad.

Random fluff + response = good

Random fluff + Garcia = ???

Garcia? What?

It's not like the party hat in the avatar changes that's it's fluff

good god maybe math was on to something
math/shos/saudade is never a thing at least

I have caught scum before post 10 using my RVS methods in a newbie

Just got talked out of it.

[skitter30]

ok tris' early iso actually is anti-associative with math
but + associative with shos and ari

[skitter30]

right, ok, i'm reminded why i thought plum + tris was a thing

math how do u feel about distancing / bussing

[skitter30]

i'll look at plum next since that's the wagon that's growing right now

teacher - I am going to tentatively give some points to for his explanation for stating a preference to Xtoxm over Flopz wagon his morning (that statement made shortly before Flopz's new posts)

What? why would he get points for that. this seems like a weird reason to take someone off the list of possible lynches.

VOTE: the worst

and this was gross too
(i think that flopz pointed this out already today)

[skitter30]

and there was also like that whole thing at the start of day2 where i couldn't get a plum/shos thing to happen whatsoever

[MathBlade]

right, ok, i'm reminded why i thought plum + tris was a thing

math how do u feel about distancing / bussing

If you mean as scum, I do it sometimes religiously. Other times never/not at all

Depends on my players and what they are comfortable with / situation

Newbie game caught scum by post 10
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=73011

[skitter30]

VOTE COUNT 2.5
Aristophanes (3): Flopz, te acher,

Iconeum

shos (3): skitter30, Aristophanes,

RadiantCowbells

RadiantCowbells

(1):

RCEnigma

skitter30 (1): MathBlade

Not voting (4): shos,

Bellaphant

, Xtoxm,

Saudade

but like what are scum even doing here?

iirc this is where the shos wagon was stalling and i couldn't make that happen
but shos isn't voting
saudade isn't voting
i think that this is kinda incriminatory for math and flopz
(and i guess teacher too technically but i think he's town)

[skitter30]

Spoiler:

Spoiler: the alluringly subtle fragrance of an ouroboros

Vote Count 2.6

skitter30

(4): MathBlade, Iconeum, Saudade, Xtoxm

shos

(2): skitter30, RadiantCowbells

Aristophanes

(2): Flopz, teacher

RadiantCowbells

(1): RCEnigma

MathBlade

(1): Aristophanes

Not voting (2): shos, Bellaphant

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to 4 PM PST on January 31st, in (expired on 2020-01-31 20:00:00).

Spoiler: iliad murmuring within

Vote Count 2.7

shos

(3): skitter30, RadiantCowbells, Aristophanes

RadiantCowbells

(3): RCEnigma, Iconeum, MathBlade

Aristophanes

(2): Flopz, teacher

skitter30

(1): Xtoxm

Not voting (3): shos, Bellaphant, Saudade

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to 4 PM PST on January 31st, in (expired on 2020-01-31 20:00:00).

Spoiler: an elk contemplating eternity

Vote Count 2.8

shos

(5): skitter30, Aristophanes, Iconeum, RCEnigma, teacher

RadiantCowbells

(2): MathBlade, Saudade

Aristophanes

(1): Flopz

Iconeum

(1): shos

Not voting (3): Bellaphant, Xtoxm, RadiantCowbells

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to 4 PM PST on January 31st, in (expired on 2020-01-31 20:00:00).

Flopz has been prodded; as he is V/LA I will not immediately replace him if the prod is not answered.

these are all like incriminatory for math ...

if shos is scum with saudade what the fuck is he even trying to do by voting ico

[skitter30]

fuck broke the spoiler tags agian, sorry

[MathBlade]

Spoiler:

Spoiler: the alluringly subtle fragrance of an ouroboros

Vote Count 2.6

skitter30

(4): MathBlade, Iconeum, Saudade, Xtoxm

shos

(2): skitter30, RadiantCowbells

Aristophanes

(2): Flopz, teacher

RadiantCowbells

(1): RCEnigma

MathBlade

(1): Aristophanes

Not voting (2): shos, Bellaphant

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to 4 PM PST on January 31st, in (expired on 2020-01-31 20:00:00).

Spoiler: iliad murmuring within

Vote Count 2.7

shos

(3): skitter30, RadiantCowbells, Aristophanes

RadiantCowbells

(3): RCEnigma, Iconeum, MathBlade

Aristophanes

(2): Flopz, teacher

skitter30

(1): Xtoxm

Not voting (3): shos, Bellaphant, Saudade

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to 4 PM PST on January 31st, in (expired on 2020-01-31 20:00:00).

Spoiler: an elk contemplating eternity

Vote Count 2.8

shos

(5): skitter30, Aristophanes, Iconeum, RCEnigma, teacher

RadiantCowbells

(2): MathBlade, Saudade

Aristophanes

(1): Flopz

Iconeum

(1): shos

Not voting (3): Bellaphant, Xtoxm, RadiantCowbells

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to 4 PM PST on January 31st, in (expired on 2020-01-31 20:00:00).

Flopz has been prodded; as he is V/LA I will not immediately replace him if the prod is not answered.

these are all like incriminatory for math ...

if shos is scum with saudade what the fuck is he even trying to do by voting ico

It’s called a null vote. It’s a vote that gives no information to anyone since shos at that point had no clout to push anyone. Any push he did would reek of scum teammates coaching.