Newbie 1984 - Game Over

[Natsu]

Oh I forgot offsuit jumped off me

[Detective Pikachu]

Usually I would have said "too bad, were you scum?" but I feel like those games would be mean-spirited as SE lol

[Natsu]

I kind of don't want to go to bed now because I am very much thinking offsuit is going to hammer without warning.

[Detective Pikachu]

Do you feel like intent is likely? If you're worried about speedhammer then you can claim now, otherwise SOP would be to wait for intent

[Natsu]

I'll wait for more from doro replacement. Maybe offsuit won't hammer.

[IMASPY]

no it is not.

this was not towards you pika

I understand that it comes with that aspect of it, but how often does a VT get lynched day 1? I dont know the numbers but id be willing to bet its alot more than a mafia. Atleast the PR claim generally leads to avoid the mislynch. If we waste the whole day away and end up not killing a person because they had to claim atleast we get a tiny bit out of it.

We only help the mafia by wasting the whole day scumreading our PR then him having to claim anyways. We get atleast some information for our follow up bandwagon if we end up doing anything with our remaining time.

[IMASPY]

Do you feel like intent is likely? If you're worried about speedhammer then you can claim now, otherwise SOP would be to wait for intent

dont you see that is also PR hunting lol

[IMASPY]

I have made claims a couple times this game that if anyone is hammering without intent they are my next scum vote.

[IMASPY]

Why are you waiting? Why not just treat this moment like it is your last. Put in a great defense. Maybe you can convince us without a PR claim? Then if intent is given you have another chance to PR claim.

[IMASPY]

You only need 1 person to be convinced to get away from L-1

[Detective Pikachu]

dont you see that is also PR hunting lol

I am regularly accused of PR hunting, which is why I'm speaking from experience when I say that you would be accused of PR hunting with that philosophy

[John Marv]

Hammer intent before deadline for sake of not non-lynching if this wagon persists. Expecting Natsu to flip town; if we're lynching off of non-town play, DkK would be a better candidate.

Here are some questions regarding if Natsu D1 lynch goes through;
1) What do you expect his flip to be, what level of confidence?
2) If he flips scum, who's the partner and why?
3) If town, which players are more likely to be scum come D2 off of D1 interactions?

[Luca Blight]

Can you explain your reads?

[John Marv]

My reads on DkK and Luca is that they don't feel town aligned with their contributions.

Luca feels to be setting up a D1 mislynch, with purpose of pushing 72 D2. Am expecting today's lynch to be between Natsu and DkK, there'll be time to sort him come D2 (good investigation target).

DkK comes across as active lurking. His reasoning for Natsu vote is also inadequate imo (#652).

[Luca Blight]

UNVOTE:

I'm willing to give you time to expand on your points and explain why Natsu is Town.

[John Marv]

Town reads are from gut/vibe. 72 is null and R1 is mixed (don't townread R1 and was wanting to place them at lean-scum, but Pika seems to townread them. Also there's only 2 scum in this game).

[IMASPY]

Here are some questions regarding if Natsu D1 lynch goes through;
1) What do you expect his flip to be, what level of confidence?
2) If he flips scum, who's the partner and why?
3) If town, which players are more likely to be scum come D2 off of D1 interactions?

1. Mafia, 69.42%
2. Hectic, 42%/72os, 20%/DP, 20%/DkKoba, 9%/You, 9%
3. I thinking maybe DP/DkKoba team if natsu flips town.

[Luca Blight]

Hammer intent before deadline for sake of not non-lynching if this wagon persists. Expecting Natsu to flip town; if we're lynching off of non-town play, DkK would be a better candidate.

Here are some questions regarding if Natsu D1 lynch goes through;
1) What do you expect his flip to be, what level of confidence?
2) If he flips scum, who's the partner and why?
3) If town, which players are more likely to be scum come D2 off of D1 interactions?

Btw, I feel answering these questions pre-flip only helps scum with regards to night actions and planning for D2.

[John Marv]

Don't have a strict town case on Natsu, it's simply 1) feels town off of vibe, and 2)have 2 other suspects (you and DkK).

I can compromise between Natsu/Luca/DkK today, with premise that Natsu clears his slot (or forces me to reread the game) and gives ability to focus my scumreads D2, or go for my current scumreads today.

[IMASPY]

I have posted a couple times on why i think hectic and natsu are my top scum team. Could be found in an iso on me.

72offsuit has played a weird game for me. They have came around on Natsu, but i am unsure about their alignment. Natsu was just talking about 72os hammering them or were already hammered because 72's vote but they have only voted on me since real voting has started.

[IMASPY]

I have posted a couple times on why i think hectic and natsu are my top scum team. Could be found in an iso on me.

72offsuit has played a weird game for me. They have came around on Natsu, but i am unsure about their alignment. Natsu was just talking about 72os hammering them or were already hammered because 72's vote but they have only voted on me since real voting has started.

[IMASPY]

As far as DP and DkKoba goes i see them as 2nd place for possible scum team(not really much to go on). If natsu ends up getting lynched my reads will be alot more concentrated after his flip.

[Detective Pikachu]

Strongly disagree with town vibe from natsu atm

[IMASPY]

@Luca Can you please revote natsu... He is clearly not gonna hammer without intent right?

[IMASPY]

If we give intent now he could go afk for a day and a half. Then we have to get a replacement. Do we take the L-1 away while the replacement comes and gets caught up with the remaining day and a half?