Team Mafia 2020: Normal Game (Endgame)

[MathBlade]

No I really can’t.

If Titus let’s me I can compromise on an Ari lynch. It’d take some really big convincing to do flopz.

I don’t wanna lynch except in those three and if it’s not shos I would be guessing who is shos partner in possible mylo.

Like twtbaw is not a thing for a replace in slot that’s done jack.

[MathBlade]

lets me*

[MathBlade]

Shos has pushed no lynch for how long now?

And that’s with some wagon pressure?

Do you expect shos to all of a sudden give “actual” reads anytime soon? No one is making him and since he is scum it’s in his team’s best interest for him to wet noodle. I don’t see him giving a single read or doing jack.

People get townreads by being town helping town and contributing. That’s how this works.

[Iconeum]

Shos has pushed no lynch for how long now?

And that’s with some wagon pressure?

Do you expect shos to all of a sudden give “actual” reads anytime soon? No one is making him and since he is scum it’s in his team’s best interest for him to wet noodle. I don’t see him giving a single read or doing jack.

People get townreads by being town helping town and contributing. That’s how this works.

I don't think scum would attract needlessly attention like shos to himself, like that tho. What actually bothers me is that he is insistent in not solving the game, and if he would be doing that I most certainly would be townreading him now.

Disagree, i've been pushing him into making reads for a while now.

Lynch today is between shos/Ari according to me, right now

[MathBlade]

I disagree. If a slot is “dead” it will do that especially if the partner gets towncred for bussing here or is in a good spot to begin with.

[Iconeum]

Can we go over the townblock again?

Ico/Math/skitter/teacher

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all scum in shos/ari/xtoxm/flopz?

[MathBlade]

Can we go over the townblock again?

Ico/Math/skitter/teacher

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all scum in shos/ari/xtoxm/flopz?

I would add Xtom to the block

[implosion]

Spoiler: your inner glockenspiel

Vote Count 4.6 (unchanged)

shos

(2): MathBlade, Xtoxm

MathBlade

(1): skitter30

Aristophanes

(1): teacher

Not Voting (4): Aristophanes, shos, Flopz, Iconeum

With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to end the day.
Deadline is set to 1:00 AM PST on the 20th, in (expired on 2020-02-20 05:00:00).

can you fix the spoiler tags plz? something weird happened

I think the issue is with the board not allowing nested spoilers, since the vote counts already use spoiler tags. I don't think I can fix it without changing the content of what was quoted.

[shos]

**shakes head**

I literally have asked everyone to figure out what they think happened on N1 and make sure that contributes to their reads.

I fail to see how I am still screaming I am conf town here

OOH YEAH GUYS LOOK THERE YES THERE YOU SEE HOW THIS MAKES ME TOWN YES YOU SEE YOU SEE???

also I'm p sure if I go ISO you and Ctrl+f 'conftown' or conf-town or even just "I am" I will find much much more than the rest of the game combined

[shos]

And yes quite frankly unless you believe RCE shot and Xtom neighborized I am still conf town based on N1

And if you do believe the former then use that as a starting spot and ask why Xtom neighborized by scum?

Assume I am scum then what do you learn about N1?

i have no idea what why scum may have chosen to neighborize xtoxm
but i'm assuming they didn't no-neighborize

so they either nk'd you and neighborized rce
or they nk'd rce and neighborized xtoxm

those are kinda the only two possibilities
or i guess technically rc could have been neighborized but i imagine he would have claimed that if that had been a thing

Hey this is a good question why haven't I asked it before.

Intriguing. Let's assume xtomx is town. On D1 xtomx had barely 20 posts (!). Why would scum neighborhood a useless, inactive town slot like that? Surely it won't change much in volume of content, will not have much away on the other townies, etc.

Hmmmm.

[shos]

And yes quite frankly unless you believe RCE shot and Xtom neighborized I am still conf town based on N1

And if you do believe the former then use that as a starting spot and ask why Xtom neighborized by scum?

Assume I am scum then what do you learn about N1?

i have no idea what why scum may have chosen to neighborize xtoxm
but i'm assuming they didn't no-neighborize

so they either nk'd you and neighborized rce
or they nk'd rce and neighborized xtoxm

those are kinda the only two possibilities
or i guess technically rc could have been neighborized but i imagine he would have claimed that if that had been a thing

I'm sorry what?
This post lacks any sense of forethought.
Why are you discounting option 3: math nk, xtox NB'd
Suggesting the hood is fake and instead rc offers to be bopd on Saud without commenting that he knows Saudis role...are you listening to yourself?

-ignores zillion pages-
-sees post about self-
-responds-

Why have we not policy lynches this D2

[shos]

@7874: clearly it did buy him most of the game's townreads based on this logcal fallacy. Add the unprovability of anything said in that context and chaching? Profit!

Also if you really want some hard scumreads, my current go is VOTE: math and xtomx/Ari as partner.

[shos]

Also

Spoiler: s2

Spoiler: s1

Test

[shos]

Anyone knows how one can make an ISO of a person who has posted alone 50 pages of this game?

[Iconeum]

ok shos have it your way

VOTE: shos

[Iconeum]

@7874: clearly it did buy him most of the game's townreads based on this logcal fallacy. Add the unprovability of anything said in that context and chaching? Profit!

Also if you really want some hard scumreads, my current go is VOTE: math and xtomx/Ari as partner.

this makes exactly zero sense, and it reads fabricated as, well, something fabricated i guess

[shos]

How so? He claimed to have been NBd and suddenly all pressure was off him. Why wouldn't he? What doesn't make sense to you?

[Iconeum]

How so? He claimed to have been NBd and suddenly all pressure was off him. Why wouldn't he? What doesn't make sense to you?

Yesterday you had a solve of (math, RCE/xtoxm). We lynched RCE, that flipped town.
Then today you were calling math town by your own read. I thought: sure that makes sense he's reconsidering based off of a town flip RCE.

Now ur back to your previous solve, without any new information, dismissing or not reacting to any of the actual sorting going on by players. You are not trying to make a townblock, or you know, be *in* the townblock if ur actually town.

I had to literally FORCE you into posting scumreads, let alone townreads.
You were giving us crap about not policy lynching on D2.
You were HEAVILY pushing towards no lynching.

Yeah, hard time seeing your actions as town shos.

[shos]

Eh I'll respond later

[Iconeum]

I'm down with lynching shos now. Here's my final review of his 'progression' on math, xtoxm and some others

*LONG POST AHEAD* (but please kinda read it?)

Spoiler:

Let's see your evolution on Math (including portions of xtoxm as well)

. Mathblade - his posting actually feels good, I guess. nothing that cannot be faked, tho.

This is calling math good, but fencesitting the read.

7. Xtoxm - from the not so little I've seen, I'm leaning further scum there.

In the same post, calls xtoxm scum. Xtoxm barely had content at this point.

Alright
I don't wanna lynch Saudade
Can anyone of those on his wagon tell me why they are there, pleaz?

Your Association wrt to saudude is not very good.

Woohoo I'm actually all caught up and it's taken me only 7 hours on and off!


VOTE: xtomx
I actually think a policy Lynch+night action results will be the best

Xtoxm, previously your scumread, is now a policy lynch.

Btw has anyone claimed D2 to have been neighbourized? If so that is probtown

Oh hey look what I found. A neighbourizer claim is probtown? Interesting. Who claimed it again? Xtoxm. Who are you scumreading? Xtoxm.
Nice progression.

Suad Xtoxm math is v possible

Look at my previous reasoning

The one math is ignoring

+1 to that
I think if we add RCE to that pool we're solved
2 scum in {xtom Math RCE}

Scumread again on both xtoxm and math

ok since everyone and their mother is insisting that we stop throwing shade at scum but are just handing

doc!Ico

on a platter to them

I hardclaim a protective

Math is inno

We are lynching shos today. If that flips scum, RC is next.

That’s called a doctor claim (see bolded)

That is not a Doctor claim.

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Adding this to the 'scumslip' Math caught me in
VOTE: Math
I'm more sure of this now actually
his partner probably RCE

Scumteam read of Math WITH RCE. We know RCE flipped town, math still scum. No reconsideration. Bad progression.

By Poe, I am left with Ari/math/xtom. Admittedly I don't actually scumread those three (only xtomx), but I truly hard townread teacher and Skittles and it appears that everyone believes ico so .

Ari joins the fray after RCE flipped town.

Math I believe is town but my Poe doesn't exclude him

What's this? Townread on math but he's been embedded in your solve for days already. Scum with RCE, and he was still scum after RCE flipped town. Now Math is your townread but still in your PoE???

7585: because we now know RCE was town. This obviously forces a rethink

Yeah that forces a rethink. Only you didn't. Your solve DID NOT CHANGE.

Oh yeah mild scumread on Ari, based on interactions and PoE

Then this came out of nowhere, with no explanation or effort behind it.

From what I read by now my gut tells me that Math is scum.

Aaaand back to scumreading math.

I am currently leaning towards Ari.The reasons are mainly tonal and PoE. I am fighting with myself as to whether or not I want xtomx lynched right now, because getting that slot to lylo would be terribad imo. My math read is swinging back and forth based on literally any post he writes, and the Titus thing only made me scumread that slot further. Titus loves scum activity. Anyway.I have set aside flopz for now as his recent answer to me actually was good. If need we can sort him later. Imo we have enough good townreads to continue the game, and with everyone TRing you, it's practically 3 unlynchables which I agree with, which is good. Ari is the only one I cannot argue against lynching, and therefore if I had to vig anyone it would be him.

'swinging back and forth on math' is good enough. But Ari you don't have anything AGAINST lynching him? Since when? He's only been in your solve extremely recently? If he's the ONLY player you can see lynched, why wasn't he in your solve before?

Well, I wouldn't say he is my main scumread, but he is definitely the slot I think is best to lynch right now. I do have to look into saudade interactions, when I get the time to dig in. Hopefully on Thursday; I hoped today but gf troubles lol.

This was wrt to Ari. Oh, he's NOT your top scumread? Ok.

Also if you really want some hard scumreads, my current go is VOTE: math and xtomx/Ari as partner.

Oh riiight. Yeah that makes total sense. Math is your hard scumread.

[Flopz]

Spoiler: Titus response to Skitter’s question

Looking at VC 2.6 (This is Titus’s opinion paraphrased by me)

Disclaimer, VCA is rarely done in once VC in a vacuum. It works together with other VCs.

Now we have Sausade as the third vote on you. There is no counterwagon. This doesn't appear to be a hard bus. So I'm relatively confident you're town.

I don't see Ico Xtoxm as scum on this VC either. Two scum neighboring each other in a VC seems highly problematic unless scum were deathly afraid of you being spot on. That definitely doesn't apply for Ico and likely not xtoxm. This is likely scum buttering up Math after riling him up.

Why don't shos and Flopz get on you? Because shos nor Flopz was in any danger. RC and Math were bickering. RC wanted shos. Scum wanted to use conftown Math to discredit RC and make RC feel alone.

Their objective was RC v Math, lynch RC. They'd settle for you but they wanted RC discredited. The RCE flip creates tunnel Math.

The RC NK was clear too. Bella was killed because she was obvious town AND she wouldn't change the gamestate. Bella could come back and do something unexpected. Ico is never expected to push Flopz. Thus Bella > Ico for an NK.

I feel like I'm on crazy pills with how many times I have to say this while Math just ignores it every time. I wasn't around when that happened (gone from 3746 and returned on 5258 , this doesn't make any sense contextually.

[Flopz]

I'm down with lynching shos now. Here's my final review of his 'progression' on math, xtoxm and some others

*LONG POST AHEAD* (but please kinda read it?)

Spoiler:

Let's see your evolution on Math (including portions of xtoxm as well)

. Mathblade - his posting actually feels good, I guess. nothing that cannot be faked, tho.

This is calling math good, but fencesitting the read.

7. Xtoxm - from the not so little I've seen, I'm leaning further scum there.

In the same post, calls xtoxm scum. Xtoxm barely had content at this point.

Alright
I don't wanna lynch Saudade
Can anyone of those on his wagon tell me why they are there, pleaz?

Your Association wrt to saudude is not very good.

Woohoo I'm actually all caught up and it's taken me only 7 hours on and off!


VOTE: xtomx
I actually think a policy Lynch+night action results will be the best

Xtoxm, previously your scumread, is now a policy lynch.

Btw has anyone claimed D2 to have been neighbourized? If so that is probtown

Oh hey look what I found. A neighbourizer claim is probtown? Interesting. Who claimed it again? Xtoxm. Who are you scumreading? Xtoxm.
Nice progression.

Suad Xtoxm math is v possible

Look at my previous reasoning

The one math is ignoring

+1 to that
I think if we add RCE to that pool we're solved
2 scum in {xtom Math RCE}

Scumread again on both xtoxm and math

ok since everyone and their mother is insisting that we stop throwing shade at scum but are just handing

doc!Ico

on a platter to them

I hardclaim a protective

Math is inno

We are lynching shos today. If that flips scum, RC is next.

That’s called a doctor claim (see bolded)

That is not a Doctor claim.

.

Adding this to the 'scumslip' Math caught me in
VOTE: Math
I'm more sure of this now actually
his partner probably RCE

Scumteam read of Math WITH RCE. We know RCE flipped town, math still scum. No reconsideration. Bad progression.

By Poe, I am left with Ari/math/xtom. Admittedly I don't actually scumread those three (only xtomx), but I truly hard townread teacher and Skittles and it appears that everyone believes ico so .

Ari joins the fray after RCE flipped town.

Math I believe is town but my Poe doesn't exclude him

What's this? Townread on math but he's been embedded in your solve for days already. Scum with RCE, and he was still scum after RCE flipped town. Now Math is your townread but still in your PoE???

7585: because we now know RCE was town. This obviously forces a rethink

Yeah that forces a rethink. Only you didn't. Your solve DID NOT CHANGE.

Oh yeah mild scumread on Ari, based on interactions and PoE

Then this came out of nowhere, with no explanation or effort behind it.

From what I read by now my gut tells me that Math is scum.

Aaaand back to scumreading math.

I am currently leaning towards Ari.The reasons are mainly tonal and PoE. I am fighting with myself as to whether or not I want xtomx lynched right now, because getting that slot to lylo would be terribad imo. My math read is swinging back and forth based on literally any post he writes, and the Titus thing only made me scumread that slot further. Titus loves scum activity. Anyway.I have set aside flopz for now as his recent answer to me actually was good. If need we can sort him later. Imo we have enough good townreads to continue the game, and with everyone TRing you, it's practically 3 unlynchables which I agree with, which is good. Ari is the only one I cannot argue against lynching, and therefore if I had to vig anyone it would be him.

'swinging back and forth on math' is good enough. But Ari you don't have anything AGAINST lynching him? Since when? He's only been in your solve extremely recently? If he's the ONLY player you can see lynched, why wasn't he in your solve before?

Well, I wouldn't say he is my main scumread, but he is definitely the slot I think is best to lynch right now. I do have to look into saudade interactions, when I get the time to dig in. Hopefully on Thursday; I hoped today but gf troubles lol.

This was wrt to Ari. Oh, he's NOT your top scumread? Ok.

Also if you really want some hard scumreads, my current go is VOTE: math and xtomx/Ari as partner.

Oh riiight. Yeah that makes total sense. Math is your hard scumread.

I was hoping Shos could bring some substance to their ideas but it seems that all we're getting is surface level. It's hard with the slight Town tone pings but overall Shos just hasn't been helping themselves enough if they are Town. I think I'm comfortable with rejoining this too. Sill want to wait for Teacher's Ari post first.

[shos]

How so? He claimed to have been NBd and suddenly all pressure was off him. Why wouldn't he? What doesn't make sense to you?

Yesterday you had a solve of (math, RCE/xtoxm). We lynched RCE, that flipped town.
Then today you were calling math town by your own read. I thought: sure that makes sense he's reconsidering based off of a town flip RCE.

Now ur back to your previous solve, without any new information, dismissing or not reacting to any of the actual sorting going on by players. You are not trying to make a townblock, or you know, be *in* the townblock if ur actually town.

I had to literally FORCE you into posting scumreads, let alone townreads.
You were giving us crap about not policy lynching on D2.
You were HEAVILY pushing towards no lynching.

Yeah, hard time seeing your actions as town shos.

I'll go chronologically by your post

Yesterday I thought Math/RCE/xtomx, yes
Today I was *gut* townreading Math, but if you read today's posts you'll see that I am practically against him in every thought. Also I don't see why the flip has me reconsider? I reconsider all the time, regardless of the flip. (In this case RCE was to be lynched because of the failed kill and JK, not necessarily because of his play; and that has nothing to do with Math).

I am now back to prev solve, indeed. But I have not dismissed nor not-reacted to things that have happened today. I don't see how you even say that, you literally discussed stuff with me today.

I am not trying to make a town block? Should I ISO myself and find all the times I called both teacher and Skittles locktown, and the latest expression of opinion which puts you as probtown most likely? Indeed, I never called it a 'bloc' but do I really need to?

And I don't know what you think I'm doing when defending from practically everyone today if not "trying to be in the town block", lol. When people accuse me, I react. Once again not sure wtf is wrong with you.

You didn't have to force me to post scumreads. If you missed it, I said it repeatedly quite a while now. Or perhaps giving names-to-lynch does not count towards that?
The fact is that I missed 200 pages of this games content and haven't been as involved in the next say 50 pages or so. I do not have solid reads in everyone. Trust me, if I was scum, I would have an opinion on ANYTHING. But seriously, you're accusing me of laziness, not of being scum.

Also just for the record: everyone giving me shit about the whole nolynch topic, so I gave it up and made a vote, and SHLAM, lol. Plebs! I'll make you a bet: once you've mislynched me, you're going to.. nolynch! Woah!

[shos]

Also I got an answer from hito, I'll try to post otntoday

[shos]

Btw has anyone claimed D2 to have been neighbourized? If so that is probtown

Oh hey look what I found. A neighbourizer claim is probtown? Interesting. Who claimed it again? Xtoxm. Who are you scumreading? Xtoxm.
Nice progression.

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Note the D2.
Point was if anyone had claimed to have been neighborized BEFORE knowing the neighboutizer is scum, THEN it would mean something. After the flip, nope.