Titus v. Alisae (endgame)

[Sherlock and Watson]

insomnia is somni, he replaced frozen angel

-S

[Flavor Leaf]

we could flashlynch FL for lulz

I’d be okay with that.

Scum are likely going to want to push me today even though they know they’ll have a hard time getting that through because of my presence getting the Maki lynch.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh damn, that’s a play.

[Reasonably Rational]

FL, have you read my most recent posts?

-Cerb

Yeah. I didn’t have a comment about it, but I took it in.

Not sure exactly what I think of it as a whole, but seems like solid analysis.

K, noted, so this is FL deciding that he doesn't care about the fact that by bringing up his draft analysis again he's doing the thing that I expected scum!him to do.

Got it.

Not sure what this means, but got it.

-Cerb

[Sherlock and Watson]

Spoiler:

Ah well looks like I won’t have to try hard this game cuz everyone’s competent here

Don’t mind my skating and choosing this game as the one where my meta is completely overwritten.

FA’s town cuz in the numerous posts where she was asking why people thought she was scum, not once has she mentioned that “What makes you think I was picked by Alisae?” , “Why would Alisae choose me?” whereas a scum would’ve had that aspect acknowledged most likely in their PT.

Your move wolves.

VOTE: OkaPoka

I think RR / Oka / Aaron / Chemist / Pine

Were scum off my read through.

Oka was scummiest.

Aaron and Chemist standing out, followed by RR.

Pine I just didn’t like his wall about Alisae’s personality, there were some stuff that I think were stretched in order to justify why he wouldn’t be picked by em, as opposed to him just solving. If he would’ve died early as a town role that fucks with scum, why does he even need to address that instead of going “I am just gonna die so leave me alone” like espe?

I thought it was obvtown if you ask me

VOTE: Hectic

I don’t think scum would claim VT out of all possible roles.

ah my town read on you is a goner bitty

why not consider hectic was derping at all. after an achieved scum lynch, it would've been dumb to make such a play, wouldn't it?

surprised krazy actually voted that as well.

That's an anti-town lynch, mind you.

If I'm scum I spew half the playerlist.

If I'm town I may actually catch someone.

so

anyone got any reasons to town read any of Aaron / Chemist / RR / Pine

i'll wait

Chemist should be vig'd or something imo

He's 1/3 cause somni is scum-somni

Boon would you like be the conductor and lead the party train on somni/fa-slot today so I don't have to type so much

-S

the slot is so young and already 8 different reasons to lynch it

-S

[Flavor Leaf]

FL, have you read my most recent posts?

-Cerb

Yeah. I didn’t have a comment about it, but I took it in.

Not sure exactly what I think of it as a whole, but seems like solid analysis.

K, noted, so this is FL deciding that he doesn't care about the fact that by bringing up his draft analysis again he's doing the thing that I expected scum!him to do.

Got it.

Not sure what this means, but got it.

-Cerb

You say I don’t care about it? Where is that? Show the facts. I said I didn’t have a comment on it. There’s a difference.

And I’m bringing up more of my draft analysis.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Krazy - these people trying to act like I’d ever let scumMaria partner go down on Day 1 like that...

[Sherlock and Watson]

I don't get why insomnia isn't already lynched

literally every post that isn't a vote for him just boggles my mind

the only other interesting thing going on here is the aaron push and I still wouldn't gamble on that before insomnia

-S

[Reasonably Rational]

FL, have you read my most recent posts?

-Cerb

Yeah. I didn’t have a comment about it, but I took it in.

Not sure exactly what I think of it as a whole, but seems like solid analysis.

K, noted, so this is FL deciding that he doesn't care about the fact that by bringing up his draft analysis again he's doing the thing that I expected scum!him to do.

Got it.

Not sure what this means, but got it.

-Cerb

You say I don’t care about it? Where is that? Show the facts. I said I didn’t have a comment on it. There’s a difference.

And I’m bringing up more of my draft analysis.

The fact that you have brought up said analysis immediately after a post where I note that I would expect that it's more likely for scum! you to continue to utilize that, and you say you have read said post, means that you do not care about the fact that I expect scum!you to do that; or at least, it means that you are doing it with full awareness of the fact that my slot believes that action is in line with scum!fl over town!fl, and are not bothered enough by that to *not* do so.

Which means either you do not view my read on you as threatening, or you want to get towncred from being "fearless", or...well, there's a lot of shit within your range that explains that decision, honestly.

I'm just noting that this was a conscious choice made by you, and not something that you inadvertently did because you hadn't read the thread.

-Cerb

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m not scum, though, so that just kinda contradicts your analysis, at least post game.

I feel like there are many reasons that I am town here and that scum would want to push me.

You scum, RR? Whore you protecting?

[Flavor Leaf]

You weren’t talking to me about it. If you want me to comment and self meta more, i can.

[Flavor Leaf]

For me to be scum here, you’d have to accept I hard bussed ScumJOAT Maki (i feel this is extremely hilarious for reasons I’ll have to wait to bring up).

[Flavor Leaf]

An Interview with RadiantCowbells:

Q: So who do you think is scum?

RadiantCowbells

Alright guys I've been reading this game a lot and I really think flavor leaf is scum and I think that a vote on AaronFrost is really good for reasons. If you are a good player of ms.net you would sheep me Bitmap come vote AaronFrost

Confirms I’m town.

RC’s one of the people who scum reads me every single time I’m town. Thanks for confirming it Oka.

[insomnia]

FL, can you glance over my Aaron case? Spotted something juicy.

[Bitmap]

I would ship FL x RC any day.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like yes, I know he COULD do it, because he's a cocky ass who is quite sure he could win the game by himself after sacrificing his entire team,

People like to always say this, but the fact of the matter is I had a no bus meta for like 2 years, backed up, and even when I did bus last year, it was only when I essentially had to.

I’m very anti bus, and believe team cohesion to be much better than not. I go for perfect scum wins, because the longer games go on, the scummier I come off.

Town me solves games late game.
Scum me ends them.

[Bitmap]

Can we lynch Hectic or RR today?

[Flavor Leaf]

FL, can you glance over my Aaron case? Spotted something juicy.

He’s my mason

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like Hectic’s rolecop thing is townie.

RR could be scum pushing a neat narrative, but he hasn’t made any mistakes thus far. I could see the slot as scum. It fits with draft spec.

[Reasonably Rational]

For me to be scum here, you’d have to accept I hard bussed ScumJOAT Maki (i feel this is extremely hilarious for reasons I’ll have to wait to bring up).

Note the bold below, FL.

Okay so let's have a quick Pine discussion with anyone who is present.

I see people proposing that it's more likely scum|Pine claims ascetic enabler/fake claims it, than keeps it to themselves. At least, that's the only way I can see any reason for people to be pushing Pine as scum.

What does scum!Pine get out of claiming that?

1) They learn who every ascetic is, and therefore which individuals exist who cannot be protected(though you should note that someone can be ascetic+bp or something, so that doesn't guarantee kill success)
2) They get town credit for putting a timer on their own life.

What are the downsides?
1) Timer on their life, and/or the risk that the town will reveal there are 17 ascetics and conclude they must die IMMEDIATELY.


I'm probably missing some things, trying to do this quick.

Okay, so let's say there are <x ascetics, where x is the number of ascetics required for lynchthreshold of town slots to conclude he must die today. He gets to live for today, but will LIKELY die eventually, and town(theoretically) knows where they should and should not be pointing their abilities to avoid confusion.

If there are >x ascetics, he just gets lynched.

I see the upside of the situation as being, at best, neutral; town gets knowledge that scum does as well, thereby narrowing the knowledge gap between the informed and uninformed factions, and his team needs additional lynches to win due to his probable death before endgame.

The downside is, to put it plainly, all bad.

That, in short, is why scum!Pine is *highly* unlikely to make that play, even without considering all the *benefits* that come from being scum vs what you know to be enough ascetics to justify an enabler role. Hell, the game is fucking balanced around your slot making a bunch of people ascetic. If everyone stops being ascetic early, it's very likely that the game balance swings significantly towards the town.

Again. just more reason why that claim does not come out of scum!Pine, barring some mechanical fuckery like an ascetic on his team who has abilities that can only be used when they're not ascetic(which is something I don't even know is a possibility, as I don't typically play games following "Normal" guidelines).

-Cerb

pedit: Nope, haven't properly analyzed FL's play since then; I've read the entire game, but not with the necessary depth and/or ISOing I want. My surface level impression of his posting since is that he's largely stopped pushing that particular draft discussion, though he has touched on it in passing. As he didn't hard defend what he was doing as a valuable/viable scumhunting plan, and didn't continue focusing primarily on that, he's currently in both his scum and town ranges with regards to that particular metric.

This is a question to everyone: Does scum!FL bus MariaR/Dunn? Like yes, I know he COULD do it, because he's a cocky ass who is quite sure he could win the game by himself after sacrificing his entire team, but just in terms of "people he wants to play with on his scum team", does he give up that pleasure as a person? I have literally no idea how he feels about those individuals, so someone fill me in on past interactions that you've noticed.

I have literally *0* idea about the exact question you're posing, and it's the same question that I want more insight on.

I feel like you know all these things and understand what I'm doing, but are feigning ignorance to...test me? Not sure. Your goals are, as always, opaque.

-Cerb

[insomnia]

yeah, no, i don't believe that

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m martyr scum if anything.

AaronFrost/Titus have seen me stick my neck out to protect them from going down.

In a game Krazy modded last year, both of my scum partners got guiltied the same night, and I hard defended them to protect them.

I was scum with Insomnia, and I out of nowhere put him to L-1 so people would get sketched out and would unvote.

I claimed Masons with CheekyTeeky to try and save a scum partner Day 1.

[insomnia]

so if aaron flips red you're next yeah?

[Flavor Leaf]

so if aaron flips red you're next yeah?

Nah that just makes me wrong town.

I don’t bus MakiJoat ever here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Krazy started the Maki wagon, I finished it.