Titus v. Alisae (endgame)

[Espeonage]

Hectic doesn't look great from that either.

[Reasonably Rational]

I’m not town telling so feel free to rush me

It’s time my scum game got better for a change

You’ll actually have to read my posts now peeps sorry

Aaron / Chemist / RR / Pine

By definition, at least one of your four scum reads is incorrect. Which is that most likely to be, in your opinion?

Also, did you not take a look at what I had to say about Pine? If you want to call Pine scum, engage me on that.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

TrueSoulEnergy
Espeonage
Bitmap
insomnia
Chemist1422
AaronFrost
Ankamius
Reasonably Rational

I am pretty sure these 8 names contain 3 scum which is pretty good odds I think. I really think that TSE has high scum equity. Especially with the BS role he claimed. He would be trying to kill scum as hard as possible knowing he could kill them when they killed him. His play is different from the Masquerade Dance I saw and his play in Mainstream Mafia II where I felt he was town siding.

I think I am most upset about not having a town read on Reasonably Rational

and my reads on Espeonage and AaronFrost weakening.

Elaborate.

I'm unaware of us having any historical connection, so I don't quite see why you should be especially invested in having a town read on our slot.

-Cerb

[insomnia]

I did read that but I lack the brain cells to make up whatever you tried to convey

I don’t know who it is but I am pretty confident in Chemist and Aaron so I want to lynch in those two today.

[Reasonably Rational]

Ank: I need a list of 5 slots in this game that are 100% town to you, with reasons why. I agree that you're especially strong at identifying town, so go do it.

Insomnia: Simplest version is scum!pine loses a lot of scum power in real-claiming that role, at the risk of dying. I didn't cover fake claiming that role; there *is* a nonzero chance that scum!Pine could fake claim the ascetic enabler after seeing two ascetic claims, but the risk to his life remains real, and the gain is minimal since in that situation I don't see why he'd expect there to be more than 2 ascetics, therefore he just paints a target on himself in exchange for learning that he can assume people aren't ascetic, as he would have done anyways.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

As for Chemist he’s scum because of his first push that was ever serious was on TSE and that’s enough to conclude a scum read on him, he’s been on MU and knows how goofy towns act, this is not town chemist.

I'm going to need a lot more than that to have cause to agree with you on Chemist.

Now, let's see what you had to say about Aaron.

Anything important happen in these last 18 pages, because that'll effect how closely I read it.

We have 3+ ascetics. So, at least skim.

Claim whether you're ascetic as well please.

K so going back to this, I trust Pine's claim which, if true, likely means one of the other two ascetic claims is scum.

Uh, he's not claiming ascetic though, and this is worded like you believe he is claiming ascetic - he's claiming ascetic enabler. If you're not paying close attention to his claim, how can you say you believe it?

I know what he claimed. My wording was off, as it usually is, but basically my thought was that if he's a town ascetic enabler, then one of Amrun/RR (the ascetic claims) is likely scum.

I should probably put my vote somewhere huh

VOTE: RR

I'll just give a sneak peek, fine. Let's go through this post for a bit.

In Aaron's mind, he believes Pine's claim. He sees no reason why scum would fake claim.

Now, that would incentivize him to try and figure in between Amrun and RR, as, from his PoV, there's a likely scum.

The timing at which the vote is placed down is really bad, as well as the way he goes around voting it.

As town, you were just proven with mechanical info that there's a likely scum candidate in between Amrun / RR. That would give you some heat you know, some hype energy as you've narrowed two scum (from your PoV) and that would make you want to sort them and find who the town is and who the scum is.

That vote is more like an RVS than actually sorting in a mechanical lock box, it's like "Meh whatever it's anyone" which doesn't really make sense. Town!Aaron would pay close attention to Amrun and RR and make a call much later on after thorough analysis and questioning.

This is not how a town would approach a situation like this, from their PoV. The vote is weaksauce, it's not based around sorting anyone which he had a lot of incentive for, as he's been granted a mechanical PoE between 2 people, which is like anything a town would ask for, like a holy grail.

Hope it makes some sense. Try and put yourself in Town!Aaron's shoes here. His mentality and actual in thread actions aren't consistent. After this vote is placed he doesn't even try and figure if he made the right choice, he's just posting for the sake of posting.

This is much stronger. This is, unfortunately, going to be a common thing in this game..but I just don't know Aaron. Is town!Aaron an active sorter?

-Cerb

[Ankamius]

uhhhhh

I don't have 5 locktown reads at this point, I'd have to double check why I was townreading who I was townreading when I went through the thread initially (up to p36)

I threw out all my d1 reads due to one of my stronger townreads flipping scum but I think there might be some stuff to salvage from them

[Ankamius]

(I'm not posting that full reads list anywhere btw, it doesn't try to adjust for mason reads)

[insomnia]

Assuming that Ali didn't pick you and thinks that you might have a good idea of who e would pick because of irl experience, wouldn't e try to subvert that?

Yo FL, when you're here, let me know if you've ever said anything about knowing Alisae irl, as I'm too lazy to look for it in your ISO.

Kind of rolling my eyes into my head because Aaron didn't reach the conclusion of a possible scum FL scenario and just shaded him, all the while not coming to the realisation that Ali would pick FL specifically because of their IRL experience, which seems like blatantly obvious of a conclusion to come to from that progression.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I was looking at some votes and stuff and Chemist was off everything.

Wait he wasn’t voting top wagons that were potential miss lynches?

VOTE: Chemist

[TrueSoulEnergy]

He always does that dumb shit as Town.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Him not doing that is easy scum tell.

[insomnia]

TSE's lock town.

[insomnia]

Seth, vote Aaron please. Chemist isn't getting lynched today because he's not on people's lists, we can push it tomorrow.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

uhhhhh

I don't have 5 locktown reads at this point, I'd have to double check why I was townreading who I was townreading when I went through the thread initially (up to p36)

I threw out all my d1 reads due to one of my stronger townreads flipping scum but I think there might be some stuff to salvage from them

Or maybe because you forgot your Reads because you made em up.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Seth, vote Aaron please. Chemist isn't getting lynched today because he's not on people's lists, we can push it tomorrow.

ObvScum not on people’s list....
BIG sad.
VOTE: Aaron

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I Town read Aaron though actually.

VOTE: Chemist

[Alisae]

Ok so who is going to claim next?
Aaron?
Aaron claiming would be sweeeet

[Alisae]

Chemist could claim too but he’s honestly probably a mason

[Alisae]

But yeah please continue to massclaim
It really helps me out!

[Alisae]

The rest of the masons are in {insomnia, Aaron, chemist, FL}

[Alisae]

actually the more I think about it, anka could probably be thrown in that pool

[Alisae]

{insomnia, aaron, chemist, FL, Anka}
Yeah
thats the mason pool

[Sherlock and Watson]

im mason

-S

[Titus]

Amrun, to answer your message, yes, I do think that is a possibility. That said, I think you should try to target someone with your ability and say something very specific in the message that only the person who receives it could recite in the thread. This might help us find any hidden ascetics in the game.

TrueSoulEnergy
Espeonage
Bitmap
insomnia
Chemist1422
AaronFrost
Ankamius
Reasonably Rational

I am pretty sure these 8 names contain 3 scum which is pretty good odds I think. I really think that TSE has high scum equity. Especially with the BS role he claimed. He would be trying to kill scum as hard as possible knowing he could kill them when they killed him. His play is different from the Masquerade Dance I saw and his play in Mainstream Mafia II where I felt he was town siding.

I think I am most upset about not having a town read on Reasonably Rational and my reads on Espeonage and AaronFrost weakening.

Why send such a friendly strategy comment? That seems unlike you.

Also how did you eliminate everyone on your list to reach your PoE?