Titus v. Alisae (endgame)

[Chemist1422]

hello would you like to talk about our potential scum fl

[gobbledygook]

This means that all 3 ascetics are PRs. Hmm

[insomnia]

No, that’s a slip. You are probably scum that has been demoralized by the day one lynch and you were projecting onto TSE your reasoning for not playing seriously after the flip.

I already said that I missed your meta read on Chemist because I skimmed a lot. How the fuck is that a scumslip? How was I supposed to know that you had prior experience with Chemist when I clearly mentioned that I skimmed and didn't see it?

PEDIT: It's not a lie, it's a lack of knowledge. Now that I know, it's something I'm taking into consideration.

Like you willingly stepped down your most convincing part of the case and saying it was wrong in order to deflect from it being a slip. Cuz if you’re wrong then it means it can’t be a slip, right?

What are you even talking about?

I'm not backing down on my Chemist read or my read of you, I'm backing down on the fact that you have no experience with chemist since that's objectively not true.

No, that’s a slip. You are probably scum that has been demoralized by the day one lynch and you were projecting onto TSE your reasoning for not playing seriously after the flip.

I already said that I missed your meta read on Chemist because I skimmed a lot. How the fuck is that a scumslip? How was I supposed to know that you had prior experience with Chemist when I clearly mentioned that I skimmed and didn't see it?

PEDIT: It's not a lie, it's a lack of knowledge. Now that I know, it's something I'm taking into consideration.

I’m not even talking about this, talking about the post where you said TSE’s scum for tryharding after a scum lynch

That's not the 'slip' that TSE was referring to

PEDIT: Dude I explained this 1000 million fucking times, Leaf Hectic and I are masons. I can townread someone while disagreeing with their reads.

Like I'm not buying the fact that he just suddenly decided to start playing seriously especially after we had a scum flip yesterday.

He won’t answer that.
He’s scum.

How am I supposed to answer a gif?

Like I'm not buying the fact that he just suddenly decided to start playing seriously especially after we had a scum flip yesterday.

Yes because this is a scumslip. Oops I slipped real hard guys.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

- Chemist hooded me
- RR hooded Chemist
- Ali somehow knew this

Possibilities
1) Follower/tracker combo who targetted Chemist last night, this might be possible in a game where scum has a lot of power.
2) RR is scum neighborizer who hooded Chemist
3) Chemist is scum neighborizer who hooded me
4) I'm scum who was hooded by Chemist (false but if you want to argue this feel free)
5) RR and Chemist are both scum (or me/Chemist or me/RR (also false because I'm town but again, feel free to argue this))
6) Some other option that I'm not thinking of right now

I want to say this spews Chemist as scum, I think the play of establishing communication between two people he knows to be town makes a lot of sense for scum. He could be scum with RR but I townread RR based on their play. I want to see how they respond to this though as it'll determine whether I'm right or wrong on my read.

PEDIT: Scum either has a second neighborizer or a UB but that's not really important at the moment.

This post makes me want to Town read AF and scum read Chemist more.

[OkaPoka]

hello would you like to talk about our potential scum fl

ME GUSTA

[gobbledygook]

Given Amrun’s a mailman the them of this game is really ugh. Someone neighborize me tonight so I can win town this game

I like leashing RR to Gobble. I think Gobble is mechanically fucked up and would benefit from RR's wisdom. I think Gobble keeps up better than I do. Combining these two in a hood let's me read them both.

If they agree, I want a doctor on Gobble.

Yes give me hood powers

[gobbledygook]

Insomnia please explain how 3952 is a slip

[Titus]

oh btw if anyone wants a serious response to 3884, the point is if I can solve the alignments of people voting AF, that might help me solve AF’s alignment

that's a terribad argument.

That's the entire premise of my VCA. :/ I know I said keeping my thoughts to the end but this irked me.

In the grand scheme of things it’s okay

But chemist strictly referred to only 2 people on the wagon out of 7

So would I. Again, not something I have a problem with.

[insomnia]

God damn it gobbles it’s sitting at plain sight

Ok, riddle me this, how does a town ever scum read someone because they are try harding after a scum was flipped

[TrueSoulEnergy]

GUYS REMOVE ALISAE FROM THE EQUATION

WE WERE GOING TO BE LYNCHING AARON FROST

SO IF YOU WANT TO SPECULATE ON HOW THIS HELPS ALISAE, THE ONLY GAIN IS MAYBE WE MOVE OFF OF AARON FROST

BUT ALSO IF WE IGNORE ALISAE, WE WERE STILL GOING TO LYNCH AARONFROST

Honestly I’d laugh so hard if both AF and Chemist are Town and Alisae just called them in a Neighbourhood because both me and Insomnia who are also both Town called them both scum together.

[Reasonably Rational]

Okay, let's take a high level view here.

There's a path that involves lynching through the aaron/chemist/me chain.

Possible results:
If there are no scum in the group,we sacrifice 3!!! Mislynches.
If there is one scum, we trade 2:1. Is that worth?
If there are two scum, it's definitely worth.

So imo the question we must answer is: Is scenario 1 plausible? If not, we should probably lynch in this pool.

-Cerb

[OkaPoka]

the even higher level view is lynch your top scumread

but since thats not going to happen you go down the list

and oh that happens to be aaronfrost!

[Titus]

@Titus who are we lynching?

Not Chemist, RR or Aaron. I'm convinced that slip was deliberate.

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: Bitmap

[Chemist1422]

GUYS REMOVE ALISAE FROM THE EQUATION

WE WERE GOING TO BE LYNCHING AARON FROST

SO IF YOU WANT TO SPECULATE ON HOW THIS HELPS ALISAE, THE ONLY GAIN IS MAYBE WE MOVE OFF OF AARON FROST

BUT ALSO IF WE IGNORE ALISAE, WE WERE STILL GOING TO LYNCH AARONFROST

Honestly I’d laugh so hard if both AF and Chemist are Town and Alisae just called them in a Neighbourhood because both me and Insomnia who are also both Town called them both scum together.

still vibing with tse scum glgl

@Titus who are we lynching?

Not Chemist, RR or Aaron. I'm convinced that slip was deliberate.

Well of course it was deliberate but the question is why

[insomnia]

No, the question is do we have any reasons to tiwn read any of those 3

[gobbledygook]

One of the neighborizers shoild Target SW

[Titus]

I’m going to sheep our IC stump

VOTE: insomnia

Literally kill this for a free scum flip

VOTE: Bitmap

I think scum have an Agent actually. It's a role I include in my wifom city setups.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Bitmap
Chemist
RR
MK

All neighborizers.

Hmm


VOTE: Bitmap

Also why did literally no one react to Bitmap saying he was a neighborizer yesterday

3/4 is the scum maybe.

[OkaPoka]

tf is an agent

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Oh god no please stay on Aaron

TBH I kinda think AF could be Town.
As I could see Alisae doing a scum team with all Neighborizors.

[Alisae]

I’m going to sheep our IC stump

VOTE: insomnia

Literally kill this for a free scum flip

VOTE: Bitmap

I think scum have an Agent actually. It's a role I include in my wifom city setups.

what the fuck is an agent?

[Alisae]

Titus that role isn't even normal and I never even heard of it

[OkaPoka]

The Setup:

Alisae has turned to the dark side, and it's up to Titus and her loyal followers to stop em!

Professor Moriarty Productions (Something_Smart + the worst) present...

Titus v. Alisae!

The setup-specific rules will be as follows:

• The game will have
  13 Town
  (plus Titus) versus
  4 Mafia
  (plus Alisae).
  
  All regular players have roles that conform to the Normal Guidelines.
  
  
• Alisae will have access to the Mafia PT. It, along with all other PT's, will be open at all times.
  
• Titus will have access to the Mason PT with anywhere from 0 to 3 masons (she chose). She will draft the masons by sending (number of masons + 4) names, of which an appropriate number will be randomly selected as masons.
  
• If Titus didn't choose 3 masons, she got a one-shot power of her choice, with any combination of Normal roles and modifiers except for Watcher.
  
• Alisae could choose the exact roles of the scumteam, and e could dictate up to 2 rules about the setup that we had to follow when designing it.
  
• Alignments are not randomly assigned.
  Alisae has drafted eir team, with an alternating process where e chooses one player and we choose two, until e had chosen 4 players, with Alisae drafting first. Alisae can choose which mafia member gets which role. Town roles will be distributed randomly.
  
• Titus and Alisae will have a private PT with each other.
  
• Days will be 10 days, nights will be 48 hours.

[insomnia]

Easy, we power lynch through the pool of the three musketeers

While we designate other people to analyse / get night results on S&W , Pine , Amrun , Bitmap, FL

If we’re right on the initial pool of 3 people having the 2 scum then noice

If not then we start clearing people that aren’t getting nk’d and are town read for lesser reasons