Titus v. Alisae (endgame)

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I don't wanna shut you down TSE but I just don't see how that exchange is even slightly scum indicative for chemist?

If you wanna case chemist off meta/play you can keep doing that but I think he's hard to read and the things I see make me lean town personally

-S

Have you seen the link of that Mafia 451 game I sent you?
It legit is the same thing Chemist is doing here.
Also notice how
@Chemist
Refuses to mention that game.
Because he knows I’m right.

[Sherlock and Watson]

I would but that forum seems unreadable

seriously who can handle a UI that bad?

-S

[OkaPoka]

ok but like nobody is going to be checking ascetics and its very obvious if you are gambitting

[Sherlock and Watson]

Don't we have like three different night actions going out tonight at least?

Any of those that have confirmed fails could be soft guilties if Pine is alive?

Unless you think scum also have JKs or RBs after M+K

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

Do you think scum have more action negation than a one-shot alien and a scum ascetic?

-S

[OkaPoka]

we are entering stupid territory because there is no restriction on what alisae wants to do for all we know e could have 3 traitors or 4 joats and guessing that is kinda

stupid

[Espeonage]

This is literally why I tried to steer away from this.

[Sherlock and Watson]

The question is NOT what Alisae designs

it is what MORIARTY designs after Alisae makes basic rules

And MORIARTY loves lots of duplicate roles in a game

Which suggests A) that there is more than one ascetic, B) that given the small number of ascetic claims there is likely an unclaimed ascetic and that therefore C) the unclaimed ascetic is scum

-S

[Sherlock and Watson]

That, + flipped scum one-shot alien (VERY powerful), suggests that failed night action results can be plausibly scum indicative or at least worth talking about

QED, Pine is maybe more valuable to us alive?

if nothing else, I'd need a rebuttal to simply sacrifice Pine to the Negative Utility gods when I actually think his role might be pro-town in this gamestate?

-S

[Espeonage]

I think working in absolutes is a bit rough.

That mostly helps us to set aside the dumb neighbours are all scum shit from earlier.

Lets Lynch somni.

[Sherlock and Watson]

VOTE: somni

-S

[OkaPoka]

remember how i was like this setup is really townsided lets lynch prs until we hit scum because ooh wiee this setup is unbalanced

and then all the prs were town

[Espeonage]

So you are saying my failed action last night is scum indicative. Because I'm worried about claiming on a false positive.

[Espeonage]

idk if I got off or not.

Vote: Insomnia

[Sherlock and Watson]

So you are saying my failed action last night is scum indicative. Because I'm worried about claiming on a false positive.

PLAUSIBLY

, not

CERTAINLY

big difference in those words

it MIGHT be

-S

[OkaPoka]

you know what we need

more gambits and more confusion

[Hectic]

Pine never survives till Lylo with his role claim which makes him town which simultaneously means we don't want to lynch him which might make him survive to Lylo which we don't want so he should be lynched now but then he's town so why not let him live but then we're keeping negative utility around so he should be lynched but he's then he's town because of claim

conclusion: Pine is a player in this game

[OkaPoka]

WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY

that lynches aaronfrost

[Hectic]

OkaPoka i'm a psychologist playing the longcon i know you're lying

[Reasonably Rational]

That, + flipped scum one-shot alien (VERY powerful), suggests that failed night action results can be plausibly scum indicative or at least worth talking about

QED, Pine is maybe more valuable to us alive?

if nothing else, I'd need a rebuttal to simply sacrifice Pine to the Negative Utility gods when I actually think his role might be pro-town in this gamestate?

-S

Run that by me again? I am especially dumb tonight. Pine is like super probtown from my pov, so articulating some way that his NU is actually...not, is very helpful.

One shot alien, alright, that means that yes, said alien could be used on someone who did not claim ascetic, therefore making it a frame vs any night action. I don't see how Pine keeping people as ascetics is a positive effect because of that factor?
-Cerb

[Sherlock and Watson]

One shot alien, alright, that means that yes, said alien could be used on someone who did not claim ascetic, therefore making it a frame vs any night action. I don't see how Pine keeping people as ascetics is a positive effect because of that factor?

it relies on the assumptions that:
a) there is an unclaimed ascetic and that
b) the unclaimed ascetic is scum

which means literally any failed action could be plausibly equivalent to a soft cop guilty

-S

[Reasonably Rational]

Don't we have like three different night actions going out tonight at least?

Any of those that have confirmed fails could be soft guilties if Pine is alive?

Unless you think scum also have JKs or RBs after M+K

-S

What claimed night actions do we have that give feedback? And what are the sources of those actions?

Fuck being a shitty player who isn't keeping up with the game is really fucking hard, and it just makes you even shittier, compounding itself. ><

-Cerb

[Hectic]

i think Somni!scum is very unlikely if Ank!town based on what she described from the neighbourhood

and Somni as town does tryhard more in recent games i've played with him in

[Sherlock and Watson]

What claimed night actions do we have that give feedback? And what are the sources of those actions?

Fuck being a shitty player who isn't keeping up with the game is really fucking hard, and it just makes you even shittier, compounding itself. ><

-Cerb

there are at present three claimed JOATs and some? number of additional neighborizers

-S

[OkaPoka]

there are 4 im p sure

maki
bitmap
chemist
hectic