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Post Post #5975 (ISO) » Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:19 pm

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In post 5973, Pine wrote:
In post 328, Espeonage wrote:non-ascetic
The fact that I have a failed action against Espe makes me highly suspicious.

I want an explanation.
Probably the puppy explanation. There was an old game with chocolate and vanilla town. It was a busted setup for the SK because scum had zero powers against it. I couldn't find the game but I assure it real.

If it gets problematic, I can have Espy claim but I more want to sort Ank/RR.
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Post Post #5976 (ISO) » Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:22 pm

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Krazy, I would like to table my suspicions and focus on Ank and RR. If I am wrong on one of those, I'd revisit. I feel stronger on Ank than RR though.
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Post Post #5977 (ISO) » Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:29 pm

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In post 5973, Pine wrote:
In post 328, Espeonage wrote:non-ascetic
The fact that I have a failed action against Espe makes me highly suspicious.

I want an explanation.
I have a theory.
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Post Post #5978 (ISO) » Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:55 pm

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Votecount 3.2

Reasonably Rational(2)
~ (12), (15)

Pine(1)
~ (11)
Chemist1422(1)
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Not Voting (11): Pine(6), Hectic(0), OkaPoka(5), Sherlock and Watson(25), Chemist1422(20), AaronFrost(0), Ankamius(20), Reasonably Rational(0), Amrun(5), Titus(9), Alisae(3)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2020-03-01 19:00:00)


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Post Post #5979 (ISO) » Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:55 pm

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Unvot, Vote: RR
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Post Post #5980 (ISO) » Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:56 pm

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What are the numbers after everyone's names?
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Post Post #5981 (ISO) » Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:57 pm

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How many posts they have this day phase.

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Post Post #5982 (ISO) » Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:59 pm

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I think you got the deadline wrong btw.
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Post Post #5983 (ISO) » Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:59 pm

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Post Post #5984 (ISO) » Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:08 pm

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fixed - you've got the blonde mod today
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Post Post #5985 (ISO) » Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:10 pm

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D'aww it's the cutie.
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Post Post #5986 (ISO) » Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:11 pm

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Stop ignoring me

RR is not a good lynch today because Bitmap's vote on them does not come from a partner for reasons I explained

Now get off the wagon or engage with me on this
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Post Post #5987 (ISO) » Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:12 pm

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birdfriend!

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Ooh...chemist has a bit of a temper.
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Post Post #5988 (ISO) » Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:12 pm

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In post 5824, Sherlock and Watson wrote:Image

VOTE: Chemmy

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VOTE: Chemist1422

to appease the scrubber gods

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Post Post #5989 (ISO) » Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:13 pm

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In post 5986, Chemist1422 wrote:Stop ignoring me

RR is not a good lynch today because Bitmap's vote on them does not come from a partner for reasons I explained

Now get off the wagon or engage with me on this
Hey Chemist. I'm either voting you or RR. So idk if you are prepared for the non RR alternative.
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Post Post #5990 (ISO) » Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:14 pm

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I am 100% prepared for it thank you

Why is RR scum, and why does my logic from earlier not hold up
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Post Post #5991 (ISO) » Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:16 pm

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RR has been scum for ages but Titus had a big fat no on it. Was my fave Lynch for yesterday. And Bitty was pretty hard going to be the Lynch towards the end of the day and it build quickly. I don't think you can get anything from that.
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Post Post #5992 (ISO) » Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:20 pm

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That, in fact, doesn't answer either of my questions thank you
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Post Post #5993 (ISO) » Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:26 pm

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The Case Against Ank


Ok I normally don't do case with a mix of VCA and play but here goes.

Ankamius (5) - Spiffeh, OkaPoka, Bitmap, TrueSoulEnergy, gobbledygook [Source: VC 1.6]

Later when pushed day 2, Bitmap says he always hoods Ank because they work so well together. He's voting Ank because Ank feels weird and is having trouble getting into the game. Why would you vote someone you work well with if they have trouble getting into the game? Instead, treating them like I've treated RR makes more sense.

Now, let's look at this wagon in more detail. We know Spiffeh is town. RIP. OkaPoka is consensus town. Bitmap was scum. TSE and Gobble are mostly consensus town. This is not a scum driven wagon on Ank. The wagon starts to disintegrate when Gobble jumps off. Bitmap then needs to think about his vote more. It's a perfect opportunity to disintegrate this wagon. Especially if RR scum was wagoned earlier in the day. (More on that theory later).

Bitmap could have easily decided to hood Ank who is also scum. The scum, unless it's in their role, cannot multitask. PT Cops might be a possible role. Otherwise, why would Bitmap try to hood his partner to save her if his fakeclaim was always going to be the protectives? This would leave the killer free to actually do kills without getting a positive in the PT.

Ank meanwhile has been a big push away from lynching Bitmap and Maki. On day 1, he was all about the Sherlock vote. (Note: This is NAI if Sherlock is scum like my other theory.) If Sherlock is town, Ank was helping to create a counterwagon to scum. [Source VC 1.12] Yet, Ank is next to Bitmap which is a minor counterpoint as Titus VCA supposes that rarely happens. Counterpoint, Titus VCA should be fucked with somehow.

The rest of the day, the wagons continue to swap. Sherlock gets up to 7 but Maki gets hammered. The back end of the Sherlock and Maki wagons consists of Hectic, Pine, Espeonage, OkaPoka, AaronFrost. These names are largely town. Unless Maki and Sherlock are both scum, this looks like an organic swap between the two wagons as I townread, at least minorly, all of the names on this list. Sherlock momentum died out because it was already scum infested. If RR is also scum, he couldn't vote early on day 1 to infest the wagon more without me knowing he was scum. (Despite my protests, Town!RR doesn't vote early.) Ank defends Maki by highlighting the strength of my TRs against the other relative strength of TRs at some point during day 1.

Ank then pushes Pine as a utility lynch after being the stubborn voice disrupting town most of the day. Even when I would cave on Aaron, he would turn around and push for Pine instead. In 2.2, the wagons were 4 on Bitmap and 3 on Pine. (The Aaron wagon is lost to the VCA gods. I has sads.) Ank puts Bitmap at lean town because "Bitmap I'm leaning town because I really feel like he'd be trying to pocket me harder in the neighborhood if he was scum, since he specifically neighborized me and outed beforehand that he was neighborizing me. Our neighborhood is NOT EVEN A FULL PAGE LONG and most of that is ME posting." (Source: Who seriously townreads someone for a lack of posting and effort in the game as a whole?

After asking me to define an egghead as necessary in a scumteam for this, Ank does zero followup on whether she thinks one is required. Why ask me to define it if she didn't care about the point? Furthermore, Ank defends bitmap in , saying it's really easy to judge bitmap in hindsight. I have trouble believing a player as skilled as Ank wouldn't say kill it with fire.

Not relevant to the VCA and play analysis directly but Ank seems far too defensive in when TSE explains his all neighborizers are scum theory. I don't think it's true but Ank gets specifically defensive on her and RR. She said RR would veto his plan, when TSE has been tunnelled on Aaron and Chemist the whole time. Ank considers the possibility of scum neighborizing each other as ridiculous but never uses it as a point to directly defend Bitmap. In fact, TSE continues tunnelling Chemist, not realizing the gold mine that he should have. Namely, this is highly suggestive of Ank+RR. As you can get to the number of neighborizers without including Ank or RR (just use Aaron and Chemist, plus there's several unfullclaimed slots.)

Ank continues to aggressively discredit the theory that all scum are neighborizers theory despite having TSE on ignore. She really wants the slot discredited when TSE's own tunneling does that himself. (Tbh, if I was scum, I would be helping TSE sound more rational and voting Chemist but that's neither here nor there.)

Ank likely doesn't mention her hood with insomnia because it's either a) fiction or b) Ank only killed insomnia after failing to pocket them. I'm more inclined towards a because it gives Ank an alibi for the night of the N1 scumkill. Remember, they can't multitask and Ank still needs a PT cop alibi. (Again, not sure one exists but if it does I think I know who it is and why he's acting the way he is. Town points there.)
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Post Post #5994 (ISO) » Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:26 pm

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Now time to do my weaker case against RR.
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Post Post #5995 (ISO) » Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:29 pm

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RR has a similar wagon composition to Ank. Similar wagon compositions tend to have the same alignment.
RR is convienent solution to scum in the ascetics and scum in the "slip" pool (although I am not sure it's a slip.)

RR's been lackluster for either alignment.

RR tried to divert away from the bitmap lynch towards Aaron and Chemist, knowing he'd at least have TSE's support.

RR has had too many oops moments on the setup. [mason draft, claims mentioned, etc.] I can't believe RR has that many oops moments. It feels deliberate but it's so far out of his range as either alignment.

I feel my case against Ank is stronger, but I'm definitely not opposed to an RR lynch.
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Post Post #5996 (ISO) » Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:33 pm

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The thing for Ank with me is I feel she’s had much more stage presence, and enough where if she were scum, they wouldn’t have lost 2 scum already
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Post Post #5997 (ISO) » Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:34 pm

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I could be wrong, I’m not confident with that at all, but that’s my 2 cents
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Post Post #5998 (ISO) » Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:38 pm

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Idk man, Bitty put in a lot of effort to reverse pocket me and seemed lost after that didn't work.
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Post Post #5999 (ISO) » Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:40 pm

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He pocketed me, bitmap, as well
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