Titus v. Alisae (endgame)

[Titus]

Can we do Ank please?

[Sherlock and Watson]

I'll need Sherlock's buy-in for that one.

~W

[Ankamius]

What is the currently alive playerlist?

[Ankamius]

TrueSoulEnergy
Pine
Flavor Leaf
Hectic
OkaPoka
Espeonage
Sherlock and Watson (hydra of PenguinPower & Krazy)
Chemist1422
AaronFrost
gobbledygook
Ankamius
Reasonably Rational (hydra of Cerberus v666 and Drixx)
Amrun

[Ankamius]

TrueSoulEnergy

Pine

Flavor Leaf

Hectic
OkaPoka

Espeonage

Sherlock and Watson (hydra of PenguinPower & Krazy)

Chemist1422

AaronFrost

gobbledygook

Ankamius

Reasonably Rational (hydra of Cerberus v666 and Drixx)

Amrun

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Pine

[Hectic]

why Pine over Reasonably Rational/Misty who seem like the main focus/wagons right now?

[Titus]

why Pine over Reasonably Rational/Misty who seem like the main focus/wagons right now?

I have to agree with Hectic. Plus Pine's push today feels brownish and you plus Bitmap were the only two on Pine at EoD.

[Titus]

*brownish = townish

[Ankamius]

why Pine over Reasonably Rational/Misty who seem like the main focus/wagons right now?

I'm not having RR in green because they're also not really around, but I think they'd have more of a plan on how to town themselves up if they were scum. They seem more lost and behind than i think they really should if Alisae was their scumpartner.

Pine is for his posts today. I don't think they're particularly likely to come from town.

[Ankamius]

Plus, I get more value from his flip than Chemist's.

[Titus]

Pine is for his posts today. I don't think they're particularly likely to come from town

Why?

[Reasonably Rational]

Drixx, question all you want to aside from Gobble and Amrun are conftown. I want to see that.

I'm heading to sleep because I work tonight. The plan is for Cerb and I to talk probably voice to voice for efficiency sake this evening before I head to work. Expect some stuff tonight and/or tomorrow morning, depending on what he has and what he thinks of the notes I've got. I may also post on breaks at work, depending. It's a pain in the butt to leave the building to use my phone, but I do it sometimes.

You got what you got so far because I just happened to be here reading the thread and making a post when something caught my attention and I decided to see if I could press GG for a reaction.

I think I’m too in the weeds with RR and confbiasing on them. I should not have said cluckoff. I apologize. I do want you to answer why you targeted the first night as opposed to waiting or using your other abilities.

I appreciate the apology. I'm big on attack play, not people so that means quite a lot to me.

Simply put: I was cocky that Chemist was a mason and the rest of our role wasn't something either of us felt we wanted to use on night one. Both Cerb and I reason our way through mafia games, and the main drawback to our approach is that we're terribad early but we will catch things and take note of things and see connections others never do as time goes on. There's a reason Titus wasn't really bothered about us at all before today despite the fact that we've been way less active than usual.

Also we have something interesting that we were hoping to leverage if we could get a message to Titus some other place than in the thread. Cerb hinted at it earlier and I'm not sure if Titus ended up figuring it out or not. There's no real equity to saying more at the moment, and I think Titus will agree if she figured it out, and may agree on principle even if she didn't.


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Thought of the moment: TSE has been super annoying with his theory of the game, and I am pretty certain that he's wrong. That said: he did spot a pattern. My question is whether he has TMI and is trying to manipulate what he KNOWS to be the case (if scum), or if he just didn't follow through on what he noticed. I have never played with him before, to my knowledge, and I still haven't seen enough one way or the other to decide whether I think he would just stop at the spot he's been stuck or if he should have continued reasoning and realized what his observations actually probably should indicate in his mind as far as setup goes.

And I'm also trying to avoid putting the BoP on him to expect him to see what we see. There's a reason some VERY good players in this game rate Cerb/Me as among the best at that area of the game. We are.

So ... without giving it all away ... do you realize why TSE being stuck on the theory of game he keeps pushing is problematic? What do you make of it, assuming you see it?


It so happens there IS another thing to add to the pile as far as TSE goes though. He was awfully willing to step back and stop posting when someone asked him to do that today. That doesn't at all fit with his behavior on day one and day two. That pings me a bit. I'm also still trying to figure out the dramatic shift day one vs. day two.

I'm also crazy tired so apologies if this isn't the most coherent post. I think you can pick up on the underlying thinking though.

~D

[Titus]

@Drixx, Not batting 100% but more of this please. Also please discuss Ank.

[Ankamius]

Humhum.

[Hectic]

humhum indeed

Misty and Reasonable Rational both town easy game

[Titus]

humhum indeed

Misty and Reasonable Rational both town easy game

Then who can be scum?

[Hectic]

Ankamius and Espeonage still my top two suspects

if not them i'm not sure at the moment

i had a thought earlier that OkaPoka is one of the few people here that would actually not be surprised at all by me rolecop gambiting and has potential to predict it in the scum PT, but his reaction was towny and i'd be surprised if scum had a goon and i happened to target said goon, so eh

[gobbledygook]

Ank I would like to discuss your TSE townread. Why?

[Hectic]

the gambit in question (soft claiming doctor as VT) in a game which Oka frequented

[Ankamius]

Ank I would like to discuss your TSE townread. Why?

He's too stiff, plus I don't believe Alisae ever recruits him after Calendar Mafia.

[Hectic]

i'm also a little paranoid that this might have given away the fact i was gambiting given i was "expecting" scum to fakeclaim rather than if i just gunsmithed a town role
this is all paranoia though
Oka is still very likely town

[Ankamius]

humhum indeed

Misty and Reasonable Rational both town easy game

I actually somewhat agree with this. I think Pine + Espeonage has underrated scum equity together, but otherwise Chemist is my pick if one is wrong currently.

[OkaPoka]

Someone compile a list of night actions for free towncred ty

[OkaPoka]

I have a (very) soft guilty on Amrun.

Spicy!

Why did this happen btw