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[Jingle]

Y'know what.

VOTE: Kerset

If I'm wrong I'm wrong. I don't see scumChem putting the nail in Mena's coffin as likely, I don't see Kerset commuter being okay with a self asceticizing vig claim and I don't see any reason not to trust what my gut and both active teammates are telling me.

[Chemist1422]

Bingle repped into my most recent scumgame and I didn’t want to risk him picking up on any differences between my play here and my play there, so I decided to keep schtum here as I knew that game was nearly done if we could just get one vote on town

Here it is for reference, p sure it’s my best scumgame so far:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=81502

Oh hey I found this post

This is almost lock clearing for Jingle imo but I’ll try to get my teams thoughts on it

Now we know that menalque was scum in both of those games. Why would there really be a difference?

I think if Mena and Jingle know the other is scum in this game, Mena doesn't worry about something like this

it can't count as breaking ongoing game rules if the other game has already ended right

p-edit: not hammering

[PenguinPower]

Votecount 6.03
Kerset (1): Jingle Not Voting (2): Kerset, Chemist1422 With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch. Deadline : (expired on 2020-03-03 20:00:00)

[Jingle]

Cool. Chemconftown. That's nice.

[Chemist1422]

I'm strongly leaning towards voting Kerset but didn't want to lolhammer since I'm waiting for my team's input on 2717 and reading over GnR

[Jingle]

it can't count as breaking ongoing game rules if the other game has already ended right

True.

[Chemist1422]

Oka thinks 2717 doesn't mean enough on it's own

When I get home I'm gonna try to track Mena/Jingle/Kerset progression, if I don't get distracted playing PMD

[Kerset]

Kerset what was Farkran's progression on me over the last month or so roughly? Particularly, did his opinion change significantly at some point in January?

Not really, i think that he was mostly talking about it after mena flipped red after he was looking at ISO. Later he started to talk about scum!you again when you offered yourself as game solution on day 4, he found it to be bs.
Now he is griping that he is the best bc he knew all along.

Farkran thinks that 1440 points at scum!jingle, because Mena was deliberately lurking. "he was being quiet here in order to hide from Jingle in the other game. Which is why he was lurking.
Because if it was scum Mena in both games with town Jingle he'd have to continue lurking the rest of this one or playing it differently enough.
I'm sure he could do it.
But he didn't have to vanish for a couple of days."

[Kerset]

VOTE: Jingle

[Kerset]

Chemist, i think i see why you never died in this game, you are the best in throwing games out here. First in magia you were just boosting our suspects and abandoned reading game in total, here you just decide to go back to RVS and prefer to vote confirmed PR. I can see that jingle as scum pretends that he can't afford internet data but you just refuse to use it.

[Chemist1422]

Chemist, i think i see why you never died in this game, you are the best in throwing games out here.

oh

[Chemist1422]

kerset if you're trying to bully me out of voting you by calling me a gamethrower I hope you know that is just making me want to vote you more

[Kerset]

then you will only prove yourself as gamethrower

[Chemist1422]

okay then

I have a request from one of my teammates

Case each other to someone who hasn't read the game at all

[Jingle]

I don't see Kerset commuter being okay with a self asceticizing vig claim and I don't see any reason not to trust what my gut and both active teammates are telling me.

We know that Kerset had an action failed against him on N2. That's the sole reason to think he's town.

The reasons to think he's scum are:

He attempted and succeeded to widen the lynch pool to include ofhrz while I was arguing hard to have a lynch pool of Shadoweh/Jingle/Kerset which would objectively win the game for town.

His reaction to scum claiming a role that was functionally the same as the role he had after a guilty on the same scum and that scum claimed vig was essentially "Well, okay then."

His play has been scummy as fuck for the entire game.

[Jingle]

Not really,

Farkran had no second thoughts about me in the wake of monumentally misreading me and lynching me in Cult D3?

[Jingle]

I can see that jingle as scum pretends that he can't afford internet data but you just refuse to use it.

This is an accusation of actual cheating, so go right ahead and fuck off.

I have not nor will I ever lie about RL across games in an attempt to gain an advantage in one, and your team KNOWS THIS. Regardless of the fact that you're scum in this game, this is dangerously close to a personal attack and one I will not hesitate to report if you persist.

[Jingle]

We know that Kerset had an action failed against him on N2. That's the sole reason to think he's town.

To clarify, he had Chem's action fail against him on N2 while a kill went missing and claimed he was a commuter. The missing kill is explained only via a crosskill on Ali (which would be dumb) or a protect on the mastina slot that had just successfully guiltied Mena. (Or a compulsive scum commute, which is pretty bonkers, tbh.)

I lost a lot of my suspicion on Kerset because letting his partner claim his role badly or not using the compulsive commute the night he lost his first partner instead of letting stop his ability to kill would both be bafflingly bad play, but I have to just realize that Kerset played very poorly this game. It is also possible that Kerset is a 1 shot ascetic as his other claimed JOAT shots are 1 shot visitor and Friendly Neighbor, which was conveniently used on the obvious N1 kill choice.

[Kerset]

Not really,

Farkran had no second thoughts about me in the wake of monumentally misreading me and lynching me in Cult D3?

he says that it has nothing to do with this game, he mislynched you because of shos, not because you were scummy

[Kerset]

[quote="In post 2742, Jingle" Kerset played very poorly this game.[/quote]

Menalque
Jingle
hitogoroshi
ofrhz
Lady Ann

I found all scum by the end of day 1 (reundo slot was afk by the time of my readlist, i found him at the end) and only got confused about ofrhz. I am the top solver in this game.

[Kerset]

I don't know whenever this is clear by now or not but mena in fact slipped Jingle. Look mena rolled scum in gun and roses and he knew he was scum in this game, so he was being quiet because he didn't want his scumbuddy in this game (Jingle) to catch him in the other game because of his interactions in this one. This is something that happens only if he's scum with Jingle as if he's scum with town Jingle then he doesn't need to be worried about it. Because he's the same in both games the only cases where it matters is if he's town with unknown jingle or scum with scum jingle

[Kerset]

During day 1 Jingle only joined Reundo wagon when he saw that the most influential people joined it in less then hour. He didn't want to be left outside, when those people convince others.

Spoiler:

Votecount 1.24
Reundo (6): Menalque, Alisae, jjh927, Jingle, ofrhz, mastina hitogoroshi (2): Shadoweh, Bitmap mastina (2): Kerset, Reundo jjh927 (1): Klick ofrhz (1): hitogoroshi Not Voting (1): Chemist1422 With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline : (expired on 2020-01-16 20:30:00) Ann Notes : mastina v/la until 1/13

After that wagon was shrinking until i voted in 1913
I pushed reundo when he came back from VLA and town tried to lynch bitmap instead of him.

[Kerset]

If you look at day 4, you will see that jig is hyper convinced that ofrhz is innocent even that he didn't check/memorize the events that would prove it.

It’s totally more reasonable that last scum ofhrz shoots the person tunneled on a mislynch who was themselves an obvious mislynch and commits to it N2 to make a shitty fakeclaim possible when shooting me or you makes the same fakeclaim possible without getting rid of a tvt fight. Not to mention Ali was like the last person who would’ve given mastina a bp, so any other other murky town shot would’ve been potentially better for scum by killing a powerful town role they knew existed. Before all of the claims. Then, ofhrz shoots mastina because really, they were actually a rolecop who knew that Hito only gave away a bp for the next night instead of a 1 shot bp or a full bp like mastina claimed.

The truth is that we didn't know that vest exist at the moment. It was revealed 2182, which is day 3 and jig is talking about n2 kill. During day 2 we only knew that mastina received something from inventor, on n2 it wasn't known that mastina can't be killed.

Yeah... that’s not a thing. Ofhrz is klick level conftown.

Jingle thinks that ofrhz is conftown but when he founds that his theory was based on incorrect facts he doesn't reevaluate it at all.
He knew that ofrhz is town, because he was the last scum himself. This day was rolling for few days already and jig never took his time to review previous ingame days. The only reason, why did he make confirmed town without any investigation was that he knew everyone alignments beforehand. It was his plan to get easy lylo against him.

[Kerset]

Kerset played very poorly this game.

Menalque
Jingle
hitogoroshi
ofrhz
Lady Ann

I found all scum by the end of day 1 (reundo slot was afk by the time of my readlist, i found him at the end) and only got confused about ofrhz. I am the top solver in this game.

fixed

[Jingle]

RCE says Kerset is reaching and the BP wasn’t even mentioned until 2101 (or thereabouts).

Not sure what he’s responding to yet.