Mini Normal 2114: Game Over

[Auro]

I agree on Looker/TFL/Rex.
I also think you're scum.

[insomnia]

Well okay, a kill always points towards something / someone but my point was FL would’ve made that kill anyway, as it both leaves room for interpretation on other slots and it doesn’t point towards him at all.

[Auro]

The only thing you got is that weak accusation of me forgeting Titus’ role which is just bogus, no way you’ve ever killed a town as scum only based on “I knew he was a PR, which PR i could give less of a fuck”

That, and a PoE, Insomnia.
Looker/TFL/Rex we all agree are town.
FL is town by meta and play.
I'm town fmpov at least.

Leaves {Bob, Insomnia} and you're definitely the scummier of the two.

[insomnia]

Auro, if I’m such a weak scum that shits his pants when opposing players like you and I also don’t know any mechanics, why aren’t you dead if you can catch me so easily?

[Auro]

It's a suboptimal NK for Flavor Leaf, unless he just wants to eff with us. Which I can actually imagine, but no way in hell he busses his partners that way.

*If* this is actually FL's scumgame here, FL is just... crazy.

[insomnia]

Ok, what would’ve been the optimal kill?

[Auro]

The level of ignorance you had for that one particular mechanic (cop vs rolecop) was revealed in the exchange I quoted earlier - when I said rolecop isn't a threat and you replied that it obviously is. That means it's likely you'd make the same mistake interpreting "rolecop" that way as scum.

Well, even if you believed I could catch you easily, you'd still want to kill the cop.

FL's optimal kill is someone who can plausibly push him in later days and wields enough charisma to pose a threat. You kept mentioning you'd re-evaluate FL if he makes it to LyLo. You held enough sway in thread to get the lynch you wanted.

I would have also been a decent candidate kill - FL likely knows that my position on "obvtown reads" can change depending on circumstances, and he also knows I can get difficult to lynch as town. Killing me

locks in

that FL is town - he can simply requote my EoD3 posts to anyone suspecting him. My death also makes Titus/Looker/Insomnia easy pushes - especially Titus after I directly said she was scumclaiming.

What does a Titus kill achieve for FL? Nothing. She wasn't really pushing him. Her kill forces me to re-evaluate. TFL gets lightly incriminated, but FL didn't even push that angle. The winpath he's taking if scum is a lot harder to navigate than if he killed you or me.

[insomnia]

Yeah my point is I didn’t give a damn about the PR therefore I’m not scum.

[insomnia]

If I were scum, I would’ve kept pressing the role and asked for checks and clarifications or search it on the wiki myself.

If you can’t comprehend something as simple as that then lynch me.

[insomnia]

Ever since when is ignorance for PRs scum indicative.

[Auro]

Not if you just *assumed* rolecop means cop. There was no question of ambiguity in our exchange. If you doubted that rolecop may not be the same as alignment cop, sure, but it's clear you didn't.

It's not a matter of comprehension - maybe you would - but it just seems plausible enough that it's a fitting explanation for the kill.

Lynching you is the plan. You're convinced that the other scum is in {FL, Bob, Auro} - pick two of us to lynch after you.

[Auro]

Ever since when is ignorance for PRs scum indicative.

When it's the only possible explanation for an otherwise poor night kill!

[insomnia]

You'll need something better than a supposition to lynch me!

[insomnia]

Doing NKA on a kill that you admit can't be explained and you explain it anyway is

C O N F I R M A T I O N B I A S

[insomnia]

If you can't lynch me based on my day play then vote FL or bob.

[insomnia]

funny thing is i still wanna lynch bob but this FL push reeks of scum

[insomnia]

yo FL, are you gonna push auro based on him being a bad town as well? we have the same PoE.

[insomnia]

so you're admitting that just because auro is not voting you he's playing the game properly even though the only difference is that i'm voting you and he's not, otherwise we have legit the same reads.

you only town read players that town read you?

[Auro]

You'll need something better than a supposition to lynch me!

Well, I share your townreads, and you're in my PoE... given we have three mislynches, even if I was suspect of Bob and FL (like you are) that leaves {Bob, FL, Insomnia} as my PoE, similar to how {Bob, FL, Auro} is yours - is that not reason enough to lynch you?

[insomnia]

Why me over bob / fl?

[Auro]

Spoiler: Kanna's EoD1 progression

VOTE: Gjt

I just meta'd Gjt too and I'm p sure he apologizes for inactivity as both town and scum. He does explain himself more as scum though

actually, idk I can maybe see his thought process being genuine? UNVOTE: for now

^Rex, there’s one day left

VOTE: Gjt

My reasons for voting Nom have always been the same your assuming it's because of the ISO, but at no point have I said that's my reason and was just curious as to why, I did not like the reaction which is why I voted.

@Nicho; does this change your opinion at all?

Willing to vote nomnom tomorrow since it looks like we aren't going Gjt

@Rex, is nomnomnom your top scumread then?

Tbh, I am kinda skeptical of Gjt's PR soft; it seems p convenient and I didn't like how he covered his bases earlier with the "I might not die tonight and there might be a roleblocker"

Sorry, I've been really busy today. Some stuff here wasn't nice to come back to though.

VOTE: nomnomnom I agree with going here to be safe. If Gjt lives tomorrow, we can just keep an eye on him

He seems to want Gjt lynched, but FL's hardpushing the crap out of Nomnomnom... so joins it. Hm.

Why me over bob / fl?

Because you have far more scum equity than either.
You would bus your partner, and nightkill Titus.
Bob wouldn't bus his partner in all likelihood, and the Titus kill makes little sense for him.
FL wouldn't bus his partners this hard all game, and the night kill makes

absolutely

no sense for him.
Insomnia >> Bob > FL.

So you're first I guess?

[insomnia]

You would bus your partner, and nightkill Titus.

These are both suppositions. Read me for something I made in the thread.

I've already said why I wouldn't bus. I have an anti-bus meta. I claimed bus driver in Port Arthur to save my scum buddy from dying and I lost the game because of it.

If there's a chance I can lynch you over Pine, I will take that 9/10 times.

This supposition case will hit you in the back after my flip. Talk to me about things I did / said during the day that are scummy or otherwise just place your vote and leave me alone so I can focus on other people. I need to know whether you're confbiased or not, if you are, I have presented the evidence for why I never do any of the things you said, so it's useless to debate it because you aren't considering the evidence I provided. You're biased.

So I'd appreciate if you left me alone for today if you're gonna lynch me no matter what I say. You're wasting both of our time. You are tunneling on me and ignoring everything else and I am wasting my time with you.

I'll probably do a re-evaluation just to strengthen my PoE and stuff.

[bob3141]

So insomnia are you saying you would only bus pine as a last restort. With you only bussing pien if you could simply not get another lynch over the line

[Auro]

Indeed, I might be conf-biased. However, I'm not going to place my vote right now.

It's hard to believe your "anti-bus meta" when you continuously called Pine "dead weight", and said you'd "mostly likely bus him effortlessly" earlier.

Sure, I'll leave you alone - do your thing.

[insomnia]

I am saying that if I was bussing, it would be pre-determined and something that's set in stone. If I wanted to bus Pine, I wouldn't have done the little switching at the end of the day, I would've parked my vote on him and screech at him.

That decision is taken 80% of the time before the day even begins. I usually don't fall to pressure attempts to vote for my buddy at EoD if I'm scum, especially if I have no reasoning to jump on them. It will only make me look worse. no point.

So, my busing is not that weak. If I want to get the credit, I'll get the credit. I'll make you all think I have this huge scum case on him that I believe in and keep tunneling on it. This is a pre-dayphase plan because if I'm bussing, I want my attention to only be on my scum buddy, because I'm reducing the amount of anti-spew I'm making and I also have an excuse for not engaging anyone else.

That's not how I bus. That's a really weak way to bus. You get nothing out of it.