Mini Normal 2118: Boon Gets Pretentious - [Day 4]

[clidd]

Hum.

[clidd]

Well, this type of mechanics is new to me. I don't know exactly how to classify it. I would like Hectic's opinion on this.

[Hectic]

I think most games I've played with neighbourhoods have scum in them. I just believe Doro's townslip though. I mean, do you actually think that scum!Doro goes for the route where he pretends to think his neighbourhood was equivalent to a masonry? Maybe if insomnia coaches him to, but since they don't have daychat that's impossible.

[Hectic]

Let's all put out read lists. It's better to have everyone's stances out now rather than give scum the opportunity to lynch whatever's easy without having to flip on reads.

I'm at:
Doro
Clidd
Aaron
Karnage

[Hectic]

Karnage, give me some thoughts please. You've had no reaction to your top scumread flipping town. Like, what's changed for you?

You said this earlier: Ame > Dsjstr > AaronFrost > Hectic = clidd

Is this still the case with Ame cut out, and then why Doro next?

[Hectic]

Ok yeah moving clidd up to my top scumread if you flip town.

PEDIT: Cooooool

Yeah actually I'm really feeling clidd!scum here. His reads have been so inconsistent today and he's just been all over the place.

PEDIT: Hi, native english speaker from the States here. In English, "they" is typically used as a gender neutral pronoun, which can definitely be strange if you don't know the language well. It is technically incorrect since "they" is usually referring to a group of people, but people also use it gender neutrally. English is a weird language man.

Vanilla Townie. Popcorn Hectic

Why'd you popcorn me given you were talking about clidd being scum if Ame flipped town?

[Hectic]

Clidd, given you thought Ame and I were TvS, why is AaronFF still your top scum over me right now?

[clidd]

Because I thought it was strange that you were voting that way. Neither did you, much less Ame raised a point about Karnage (who had started the wagon). That was the strangest interaction I saw in this match.

[clidd]

I made it clear that by PoE, if dsj was not

scum

,

Aaron

would be. I still see

Karnage

as

Wimpy

, whose toxic context would justify replacing him as a

town indicator

.

[clidd]

And you, to me, would be what Aaron went to Ame in this match, before she got hammered.

[clidd]

Unless you're scum, Hectic, smiling behind the keyboard.

[clidd]

Anyways, I'm relying on fully emotional Wimpy reads to consider Karnage town.

[Hectic]

Wimpo subbing out is 100% not a town-indicator, he's subbed out of literally every game I've played with him in (as scum and town).

[clidd]

Not if he's town at all games.

[clidd]

Wimpo subbing out is 100% not a town-indicator, he's subbed out of literally every game I've played with him in (as scum and town).

Do you have a link to these games ?

[Hectic]

So you, me, Karnage and Flippy will be alive, They will kill between Hectic/Aaron.

Considering Hectic is scum, Aaron dies. If Aaron scum, Hectic dies.

Could you explain what you meant here? Aaron and I are unconfirmed and potential lynches for scum. Why would scum ever not kill the confirmed town (Emperor Flippo)?

[Hectic]

Wimpo subbing out is 100% not a town-indicator, he's subbed out of literally every game I've played with him in (as scum and town).

Do you have a link to these games ?

I'll go look for them

[clidd]

So you, me, Karnage and Flippy will be alive, They will kill between Hectic/Aaron.

Considering Hectic is scum, Aaron dies. If Aaron scum, Hectic dies.

Could you explain what you meant here? Aaron and I are unconfirmed and potential lynches for scum. Why would scum ever not kill the confirmed town (Emperor Flippo)?

Look at Flippy's interactions and tell me if he influenced something in the past day. It would be wiser to kill vocal antagonists if the game goes on for lylo.

[Hectic]

He replaced out 3 times in his last 4 games:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=82026
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81277
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=81747

he was scum in 1, town in 2.

[Hectic]

So you, me, Karnage and Flippy will be alive, They will kill between Hectic/Aaron.

Considering Hectic is scum, Aaron dies. If Aaron scum, Hectic dies.

Could you explain what you meant here? Aaron and I are unconfirmed and potential lynches for scum. Why would scum ever not kill the confirmed town (Emperor Flippo)?

Look at Flippy's interactions and tell me if he influenced something in the past day. It would be wiser to kill vocal antagonists if the game goes on for lylo.

But Flippo is someone who can never be lynched, so it's still 1 less viable mislynch. Meaning, if scum leaves him till 3 player LyLo for example, the scum has to get exactly the person who isn't Flippo lynched. Do you agree?

[clidd]

So you, me, Karnage and Flippy will be alive, They will kill between Hectic/Aaron.

Considering Hectic is scum, Aaron dies. If Aaron scum, Hectic dies.

Could you explain what you meant here? Aaron and I are unconfirmed and potential lynches for scum. Why would scum ever not kill the confirmed town (Emperor Flippo)?

Look at Flippy's interactions and tell me if he influenced something in the past day. It would be wiser to kill vocal antagonists if the game goes on for lylo.

But Flippo is someone who can never be lynched, so it's still 1 less viable mislynch. Meaning, if scum leaves him till 3 player LyLo for example, the scum has to get exactly the person who isn't Flippo lynched. Do you agree?

I agree, but I believe it is feasible if done correctly. You have to consider the influence of flippy on the lynchs and how malleable it can be. In the scenario where he hammers, at lylo, it may be better than another player hammering (considering the difference in players). I don't know if you managed to get it, but that's it.

[clidd]

He replaced out 3 times in his last 4 games:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=82026
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81277
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=81747

he was scum in 1, town in 2.

Hum, so my emotional argument has no absolute validity.

[clidd]

Ok, but why Karnage came from beyond and jumped on Ame ? that would not make sense coming from

scum!Karnage

.

[clidd]

For me, the sequence of events was:

Ame often changes her mind, Dsj becomes suspicious, Karnage is already convinced that she would be scum (it wouldn't make sense for him to attack Ame at that point, if he wanted to survive to beat lylo as scum ), Hectic finds the attitude strange and also votes for it, Clidd considers the strange interaction as TvTvTvTvT initially, but soon considers the possibility of TvS between Hectic and Ame, for letting Karnage do whatever he wants. While this all happens, Aaron is absent, only returning when I had hammered Ame, and later releasing post 1340, as if he was already aware of the information that she was town. Evidently, he just did not pursue the idea after having the final interaction, before Ame did, in fact, die.

[clidd]

This whole chaotic scenario, to me, makes sense if we were all towns arguing while Aaron sits watching the "fight", to see what direction it will take.