Titus v. Alisae (endgame)

[Flavor Leaf]

Also if you look at who pushed my drafting spec aside, first person was Maki. Immediately.

Ankamius was also someone trying to poke holes at me.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s only AtE if you believe I care what others think of my slot right now

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TrueSoulEnergy
Pine
Flavor Leaf
Hectic
OkaPoka
Espeonage
Bitmap
Maki and Kaito (hydra of Maki Harukawa & Kaito Momota)
Sherlock and Watson (hydra of PenguinPower & Krazy)
Frozen Angel
Chemist1422
AaronFrost
Spiffeh
gobbledygook
Ankamius
Reasonably Rational (hydra of Cerberus v666 and Drixx)
Amrun

Let’s look at this list? Who would you state are the scum heavies, picks by Alisae? By heavy, I mean the slot to be able to captain a scum team and maneuver their way around the majority of players, which is why I won’t have Bitmap or the RR hydra, even though I think they’re likely strong or capable scum players.

I would say:
Pine
FL
Maria/Dunn hydra (keep in mind, Alisae nomm’d Dunn for Rising Star)
Sherlock and Watson
Ankamius

There is absolutely zero chance that there isn’t scum within this list. I know I’m town, and you can deduct Alisae wouldn’t ever pick me here (you don’t have to believe it, but e knows it’s true)

So that leaves

Pine
Maria/Dunn hydra
Krazy/PP hydra
Ankamius.

Obviously you can’t just pick all heavies, that’s too many cooks in the kitchen, so it would be balanced out between strong supporting scum players, and a likely “no one would ever expect this!!!”

Does anybody disagree with this heavy list?

I feel like Alisae almost by definition had to pick someone inside {bitmap, espeonage, boon, you} but I'm already second-guessing everything about each of those slots lol

I almost made a secondary list about supporting scum players over the heavies, and Bitmap/Espeonage fit more in that vein for me based on playerlist knowledge, I believe.

Neat that you posted this as I was posting my thing, however, I fail to see why Ankamius was omitted from this list.

Secondary Scum List second in commands

Espeonage
Bitmap
Gobbledygook
Reasonably Rational

Under the radar coast be there scum picks
Hectic
Okapoka
AaronFrost
Frozen Angel
Spiffeh


Don’t really see Alisae picking unless having to choose between two of em specifically
TrueSoulEnergy
Chemist
Amrun

OkaPoka
Espeonage
Bitmap

you don't see any of these three as heavies from Alisae's POV?

-S

Not in the same sense. I don’t see them as Captain running the town kind of scum, if that makes sense.

They’re more deepwolf, really strong scum for the late game side of things whilst being able to backup the scum being at the forefront.

Why would Ali not pick Amrun? Isn't Amrun pretty well regarded?

And why is Oka "under the radar"?

Your characterizations of people seems kinda?

-S

Because I think those are strong picks as not the main scum, if that makes sense.

E could have picked Amrun, but I don’t feel they did.

Can you explain to me what you feel Amrun and Alisae’s relationship is like?

I think Chemist would have been a solid pick too. Doesn’t mean I think Alisae would have picked.

Not in the same sense. I don’t see them as Captain running the town kind of scum, if that makes sense.

They’re more deepwolf, really strong scum for the late game side of things whilst being able to backup the scum being at the forefront.

Oka isn't captain but is instead deepwolf...?

Like I don't even scumread Oka but that just is not how I view his range at all, he's definitely a very strong player and definitely capable of Captaining stuff

I don't really think this is a particularly productive approach the gamestate. You can't just read Dunn's iso and tell me why I'm wrong and he's actually town?

-S

Really? He’s first mate, deepwolf was a bad word there.

This is strictly speaking in terms of the drafting mechanics. In a team of they’re own when forced to do it, I feel bitmap/RR easily can captain a game, but I don’t know enough of Bitmap’s play to call them a heavy heavy captain, but from the few games I’ve seen, and by meeting, I feel they can be incredibly strong behind the scenes moreso than upfront.

OkaPoka I’ve never really seen take control of a game, but maybe that’s just based on games I’ve played with him, in which he’s always seemed like a secondary scum, but a solid one, if that makes sense

I'd be very shocked if FL's idea of the drafting strategy was even close to what Alisae actually did.

And keep in mind that I have very recent experience as scum with Alisae, so I likely have among the most relevant experience here with how e handles scumteams.

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Explain why please.

Show your work.

I also don’t think Alisae thinks high enough of their own scum game to warrant them not picking one of the players I put in the 4.

The fact Ankamius pushes the idea that none of those 4 could be picked is extremely interesting to me.

Does Alisae have access to the Mafia PT and can talk in it?
In that scenario, If I had picked with this player list, I think I would go...

One of Krazy hydra/Ankamius, but exactly one of them.
AaronFrost
Hectic
One of Gobbledygook/RR


I’m too lazy to check if it’s 4 or 5 scum, but I think this is a 21 player?

If this is the topic of conversation for the evening I'm tagging in Kaito and going to bed.

yeah the way he's doing it seems kinda passive-aggressive and uncool

I didn't realize boon was gonna neg half the player list when I poked the boon fire

-S

Combine that with the fact if I have to deal with people calling X town and Y scum for 'what ali would do' I'm going to actively ignore it because it's just stupid. Set up spec is stupid pick drafting is stupid. Let's just play mafia. Ugh.

I actually highly disagree with the drafting being bad, because Alisae gets to post in this game, and thus is readable.

This is my starting ground, building my base for me to eventually solve, and I’m showing my work.

Atm, I don’t think Ankamius is the 1 to have been drafted out of the 4.

you all are underestimating how beneficial slots with erratic voting patterns are this game as scum picks

and ftr boon, Alisae was captaining when we were scum together

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I’m not saying e can’t captain. This is a drafting game, though.

[OkaPoka]

And me what does that make me

[Alisae]

an idiot

[Sherlock and Watson]

I'd lynch Ank for causing me physical pain but she'd flip town

-S

[OkaPoka]

bruh

[Flavor Leaf]

Primary: 1 found
Pine
Ankamius
Sherlock
Maki/Katio

Secondary Scum List second in commands: 1 found

Espeonage
Gobbledygook
Reasonably Rational
Bitmap

Under the radar coast be there scum picks: 2 town flipped
Hectic
Okapoka
AaronFrost
FA
Spiffeh

Don’t really see Alisae picking unless having to choose between two of em specifically: 2 town flipped
TrueSoulEnergy
Chemist
Amrun

[Sherlock and Watson]

Also we are ascetic, love you all, and are here to remind you that if you have NU and you do not claim that shit immediately we will ensure you are lynched when that shit comes out.

this is kinda a weird open for a town joat ascetic isn't it? idk

-S

[Flavor Leaf]

Pine
Ankamius
Sherlock
Espeonage
Gobbledy
RR
Hectic
OkaPoka
AaronFrost
TSE

IF 2 scum, i think one near the bottom half, 1 in the top half

[Flavor Leaf]

Thus far OkaPoka/Sherlock through their comments towards me are town indicative.

Also, if you are both town, my early reads were great

[OkaPoka]

Why did you change?

[Flavor Leaf]

Thus far OkaPoka/Sherlock through their comments towards me are town indicative.

VOTE: booneytunez

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Ankamius could go either way. She has reason right now to want me dead for NAI reasons, but that also means she has reason as scum to abuse that.

Also, townAnkamius I don’t necessarily feel throws that vote in that sense, they usually talk more in that fashion, so I can think that’s less townie than expected, but not enough for me to lock.

Lean scum-null.

Ank came after me after that post of me town reading Sherlock and Oka as well.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why did you change?

It’s what I do. Reads evolve.

[Sherlock and Watson]

RR+?
RR/Pine
vs
RR/Ank
?

-S

[Flavor Leaf]

I still think there's a low chance for Ali to pick FL and Pine though.

agree on Pine, but why not FL?

-S

FL is known to be a strong player and has strong relations with Alisae. I know this sounds WIFOM but there's a good chance Ali might opt to not pick FL because e thinks FL is an easy mislynch as a result. Does this mean it's confirmed that Ali didn't pick FL? No. But I'm willing to give FL a pass today and see how he plays out in D1/D2 because if he's town, he's a viable asset and I think can help us lynch scum.

Sherlock, I'm really not a big fan of your slot. You're literally skirting around and not really presenting your reasoning at all and having as I call these "sekret" reads that you can easily revert if you're wrong because you don't attract attention atm.

From strictly knowing the relationship between Alisae and I in person, alongside Bitmap and myself having essentially zero interaction with each other prior to the meetup, I follow this 100% and see exactly where he’s coming from.

Like, I can see a scum motive from pushing this, but that’s just a play that’s being made, and it is being made to win me over. That being said, this is essentially pointless considering I haven’t played this game pre page 50.

I think this is hard town, or

it’s played well to hard pocket me.

I’m gonna put this at the top of my town read atm.

Confirmed to have been true with the pocketing play towards me, which I saw as a possibility, but ya know. Still pocketed

[Flavor Leaf]

I would have claimed ascetic in my first post if I were ascetic

Therefore, I am not

Pine I am excited for you to try hard

Tell me who the scum are

I believe this post.

Current scumlist: Ankamius and Sherlock/Watson

Ank would have been VERY high on Ali's recruit list, probably #1

Ali never drafts FL or I

ftr

I just hit this post and I'd like to reiterate that it's literally impossible for S+W and me to be the same alignment because the duck will always immediately draft the other when alisae drafts one of us (and even if SS did the draft, I imagine they mindmelded on this beforehand and this would likely come up with how high profile we are and his general familiarity with us)

we've hydra'd so many times this past year that we are very familiar with each other's town games and it's a huge risk of having whoever is scum in this duo be caught near immediately

something to keep in mind

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This is actually an incredibly NAI post because honestly, yeah, this makes sense.

Is Krazy in the Sherlock hydra? Because that makes sense as a potential scum team, but I can also see it not.

I literally was thinking right before seeing this post, Ankamius is probably the #1 choice to pick fo Alisae, and I read this in the way where it’s #1 after considering who’d actually be #1 in a general sense.

Still, not gonna state a full on scum read by any means, and I’d probably wanna give it some breathing room anyways.

Yeah, i think I’m starting to think AnkScum, which fit with me POE late and early, which were entirely different POE’s.

[Flavor Leaf]

Anyone want to vote Ankamius with me?

Not really, I like her posting so far. I'm curious what's made you want to vote her in the first place. By like I mean 'would not lynch day 1'

[Flavor Leaf]

my desire to eliminate flavor leaf is very high

Go on.

Time go read Pine iso and see if he ever answered me

Pine did not answer me so my want to kill him and confusion for why he is tr is still high. Oka and Bitmap are also people I want dead atm. Any takers? No? Good because that would require me to read more of the game.
Pedit: What exactly do you sr Kaito for?

Maki mentions their partners as scum a lot.

Pine/Ank likely have 1 scum in them

[TrueSoulEnergy]

BAH!

did u just get dayvigged?

-S

For anyone who’s stupid enough to still be scum reading S&W.
This post here Town spews them.

[Flavor Leaf]

By the way, I fully expected scumSherlock to have games ready to push out

...Did you expect town him to like, call it gut or something? Boy do I love FL logic.

Scum pocketing attempt on Sherlock makes sense, but tinfoil paranoia might make me see it as S/S. I don’t wanna go down that rabbit hole though unless I feel nothing else is adding up, which I absolutely dont

[Alisae]

thanks TSE! IK that I can always rely on you to be the idiot. Love it, thank you!

[Flavor Leaf]

I'd be very shocked if FL's idea of the drafting strategy was even close to what Alisae actually did.

And keep in mind that I have very recent experience as scum with Alisae, so I likely have among the most relevant experience here with how e handles scumteams.

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This is really really bad in hindsight.

[Flavor Leaf]

Don't mind this

Spoiler:

Masonry: Hectic, AaronFrost, Pine

Townbin: RR

Townlean: OkaPoka, GG, TrueSoulEnergy, Flavor
Leaf

Town side of null: Amrun

[Read reserved for (expired on 2020-02-11 19:53:24) - Ankamius]

Sorting Pool: FA

Null: Chemist, Spiffeh

Re-evaluate: Espeonage

Scumlean: Maki & Kaito

Scumbin: Bitmap

Kill with fire:

I don't really love my poe right now UNVOTE:

gonna probably have to refresh tomorrow after some sleep

Kinda like Maki's tone here but not sure enough to undo the damage Dunn did to my read there earlier

Watson doesn't want to nuke Bitmap last I checked

reads are fucked lolololol good night

-Sherlock

You had a really rough a Day 1 if you’re town S/W.

[Flavor Leaf]

Okapoka
Espeonage
Maki
Ankamius

Then Spiffeh/RR/FA at a lower level is who keeps jumping out at me for the area to contain all the scum. Hmm...

Bitmap replaces Espeonage, AF or Hectic replaces Oka