Mini Normal 2118: Boon Gets Pretentious - [Day 4]

[Hectic]

Oh, I forgot about this lul. AaronFF, can you address 1395 and 1396? I agree with Ame that I don't get why you bring something up which has no use to you if you're town, but only helps others consider you as scum. Feels like you're being too open and looking like you're trying to consider all scenarios.

Yeah you just kinda answered your own question HecticMFHectic. I was trying to consider every angle and find out what the most likely scenario is. I even mentioned that is wasn't likely and was upset when Ame got lynched while I was catching up.

I get considering every scenario, but why consider a scenario which only involves you being scum - which you should know to be false?

[Hectic]

Hey HecticMFHectic, talk to me about this.

Like how likely is it that we have two town masons and two town neighbors? Scum would have to have like a PT cop or a traffic analyst to counter that.

dsj are you just a town neighbor or are you something else on top of that?

Yeah, I'd be very surprised if it was two mafia goons. I don't think two masons and two neighbours are balanced. But it depends on Doro's alignment. 2 neighbours are overall good for mafia I think if one of the neighbours is scum, but bad for them if both neighbours are town, because apparently most scum neighbourhoods result in scum pocketing their neighbour.

Since I think Doro is town, last scum maybe as rolecop or PT cop like you said? Why do you want to talk about this?

[Hectic]

Ok yeah moving clidd up to my top scumread if you flip town.

PEDIT: Cooooool

Which are your reads now ?

Scummiest to Towniest

dsj > clidd > Karnage > Hectic. Not super confident in this at the moment, but that's where I'm at.

That was more of a snap reaction to you hammering Ame, but also I do think it gives you +scum equity.

AaronFFFF, why did you popcorn me to claim over any of the other 3 given these reads?

[Hectic]

Still feels like it's Karnage, he's just not doing enough and kinda feels like semi-defeated scum right now. I've played with town!Karnage once before and he did more than this, though his tone was similar in the way he just feels apathetic I guess. But in addition to the weird hard tunnel from Wimpo which he actually talked about being one of his go to scum strats in another game means this is the best vote right now.

VOTE: Karnage

[clidd]

Why Karnage would suspect from Ame then ? Wasn't Dsj or me a better choice to fake a SR ?

[clidd]

Wimpy ragequit was real, which is why i believe he is town.

[Hectic]

Why can't the ragequit come from scum? And AaronFF said it earlier, he replaced out both games at once (the other one was scum) so it's probably NAI.

[clidd]

I'm at a problem where I have no idea how to read Wimpy's deathtunnel of Ame. Like there's a part of me that thinks that that kind of behavior almost never comes from scum, but I think the way he's going about it is also objectively anti-town.

Then go ahead and lynch me today because it will continue. I will not vote anyone else this game until she is gone.

Even so, I believe that the context of this game was different. It was very suicidal for him to say that. It would be more consistent if he expected her to say something more meaningful. Creating a tunnel for something so small would obviously not pay off the effort.

[clidd]

Scum!Wimpy

would have selected someone else to focus his tunnel on. It would be a smarter idea to avoid colliding with players who are vocally difficult to eliminate by lynch.

[clidd]

It's basically like our past Cheeky game, where I made a very risky move that would put me in self-defeat if I were scum (hard-tunnel on Fishy). I feel something similar coming from Wimpy's tunnel.

[Pretentious]

Vote Count 3.03

Bojack Horseman isn’t a comedy; it’s a dramatic narrative with humor, and intelligent word play and bits that translate deep into philosophical morality in an extremely non preachy way.

AaronFrost

(1): Clidd

Karnage

(1): Hectic

Not Voting

(4): Dsjstr, AaronFrost, Karnage

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-03-06 14:00:00)

Mod Notes:

Don’t be outta pocket.

[Karnage]

Still feels like it's Karnage, he's just not doing enough and kinda feels like semi-defeated scum right now. I've played with town!Karnage once before and he did more than this, though his tone was similar in the way he just feels apathetic I guess. But in addition to the weird hard tunnel from Wimpo which he actually talked about being one of his go to scum strats in another game means this is the best vote right now.

VOTE: Karnage

This is fair. I've been having trouble getting into this game. I really thought ame was scum (especially after the insomnia flip) and now I'm kind of at a loss. We have a lynch to spare so if my mislynch is what's needed for town to sort things out I won't oppose it.

I will try and take some time today to devote to the game in the meantime.

[AaronFrost]

I am annoyed that you consult the number. If it were something so natural, it would not need a mathematical margin.

I mean the question itself was meaningless. Like how is that supposed to determine my alignment when of course I'm going to say "yes I'm telling the truth" no matter what?

[AaronFrost]

I think most games I've played with neighbourhoods have scum in them. I just believe Doro's townslip though. I mean, do you actually think that scum!Doro goes for the route where he pretends to think his neighbourhood was equivalent to a masonry? Maybe if insomnia coaches him to, but since they don't have daychat that's impossible.

Where was this "townslip"?

It's based on what Ame said where he thought both neighbours were town (equivalent to masons). If Doro is scum and was trying (and failing) to pocket Ame in the neighbourhood, maybe he employs this confusion strat where he says "oh, I just assumed neighbours were always town", but I think it's far more likely he was acutally just confused about how they worked based on his experience with mafia so far (no offence, Doro).

Hmm okay. Not sure I buy that as a true townslip, but I need to revisit dsj based on his play.

Which do you think is more likely setup-wise?

1) 2 town neighbors, 2 town masons, 1 scum PT cop
or
2) 2 town masons, 1 town neighbor and 1 scum neighbor

[AaronFrost]

AaronFFFF, why did you popcorn me to claim over any of the other 3 given these reads?

Because I love you HecticMFHectic <3

But also I'm not 100% confident in my reads right now so I didn't pick too much thought into who I popcorned.

[clidd]

What a headache, honestly.

[clidd]

Can't we just lynch AaronFrost at once ?

[AaronFrost]

Hey HecticMFHectic, talk to me about this.

Like how likely is it that we have two town masons and two town neighbors? Scum would have to have like a PT cop or a traffic analyst to counter that.

dsj are you just a town neighbor or are you something else on top of that?

Yeah, I'd be very surprised if it was two mafia goons. I don't think two masons and two neighbours are balanced. But it depends on Doro's alignment. 2 neighbours are overall good for mafia I think if one of the neighbours is scum, but bad for them if both neighbours are town, because apparently most scum neighbourhoods result in scum pocketing their neighbour.

Since I think Doro is town, last scum maybe as rolecop or PT cop like you said? Why do you want to talk about this?

I'm trying to figure out what the most likely scenario is and I think having a decent idea of the setup will help me sort dsj.

[clidd]

How is that a decent idea ? you know he is town.

[AaronFrost]

How is that a decent idea ? you know he is town.

I don't know shit

[clidd]

You KNOW, dude. Don't play the fool with me.

[AaronFrost]

And if I was scum I would not be faking a lack of confidence in my reads, I'd be trying to push someone.

PEDIT: I don't KNOW anything, dude.

[clidd]

Look in my eyes (at the monitor) and say you ARE TELLING THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

[dsjstr]

I think most games I've played with neighbourhoods have scum in them. I just believe Doro's townslip though. I mean, do you actually think that scum!Doro goes for the route where he pretends to think his neighbourhood was equivalent to a masonry? Maybe if insomnia coaches him to, but since they don't have daychat that's impossible.

Where was this "townslip"?

It's based on what Ame said where he thought both neighbours were town (equivalent to masons). If Doro is scum and was trying (and failing) to pocket Ame in the neighbourhood, maybe he employs this confusion strat where he says "oh, I just assumed neighbours were always town", but I think it's far more likely he was acutally just confused about how they worked based on his experience with mafia so far (no offence, Doro).

Hmm okay. Not sure I buy that as a true townslip, but I need to revisit dsj based on his play.

Which do you think is more likely setup-wise?

1) 2 town neighbors, 2 town masons, 1 scum PT cop
or
2) 2 town masons, 1 town neighbor and 1 scum neighbor

I think I heard clidd say 1

[dsjstr]

I think I am going to vote Karnage maybe