Open 773: Masons and Mafia: RVS Awards (GAME OVER)

[Miss Lane]

Request to treat the witness as scum?


I'm going to assume

Solid reasoning for Alk has already been given

You're the only vote on Alk. Maybe I missed it, where's the "solid reasoning for Alk"? Quote please.

This isn't a rebuttal, at best an excuse. I think we both know that you know better than "just because someone isn't voting them now doesn't mean they've never voted them."

Several players have acted outside the bounds of solid, consistently town play and have solid reasons for suspicion, but none of them seem to catch your eye at all.

Lot of words in your posts but little reasoning. Maybe show me the "solid reasons for suspicion"? Who are these several players?

When you ask me questions like these while simultaneously trying to accuse me of being scum for skimming, it definitely doesn't put you in a good light.

I'll explain an Ask read when I'm ready.

[Auro]

Don't care. You mentioned there's "solid reasoning" for Ald, and I don't find that in thread.
It's not a rebuttal, it's a challenge.

[Auro]

This is implies a confession that getting townread was as much motivation as humor

There was no motivation to get townread off it. My finding that it's valid to townread someone for that doesn't imply I'm trying to get townread - especially given the below.

my awareness of this should negate any townpoints TSE did award me for it;

[popsofctown]

AURO I WASN'T THAT FAR YET AND IT DOES MAKE ME FEEL WAY BETTER OK
NOT ALL OF US HAVE "WASN'T WOTM'D BY HECTIC THE FIRST TIME" PRIVILEGE I'M CATCHING UP

[popsofctown]

I HAVE MORE IT'S IN MY CLIP BOARD

[Alduskkel]

Fwiw this was 100% a troll response, I don't have a read on Chem yet

this is what I expected klick to say

Like tl;dr I don't actually see klick sorting. I just see content for the sake of content. I've seen one town read on yshtola, one scumread on TSE who I'm pretty sure is town. Each of those reads is the only real content in his ISO.

eh, I feel like the stuff you quoted is more conversational rather than scum trying to make content for the sake of content.

Cheeky, can you quote some of TSE's posts that you think are out of his scumrange?

Skim this: link
And tell me he's not town here. I've played with both town!tse and scum!tse and the kinda non-chalantness and lack of tryharding is very much in line with his town meta.

ugh that is really different from here. plus, I'm getting reminded of town TSE during marathon weekend + me scumreading him for his playstyle rather than it being truly scum-indicative.

unvote

Additionally, I think explanations for votes are overrated and used far more often than warranted.

How do you ever convince people to lynch your scumreads then?

Mason mindgames are antitown

well that's exactly what a VT would say

This is a scummy post since it should be somewhat intuitive that a "hiding strategy" for masons is almost as dominant as active scumhunting from the symmetry of the setup.

well then by that logic shouldn't every player be trying to hide? VTs to look like masons, masons to avoid getting shot, scum to look town, etc.?

the fact that miss lynch's spelling of my name changes every time is kind of funny

I'll explain an Ask read when I'm ready.

[Miss Lane]

Also just because the reasons I provide aren't ones you like doesn't make any of it "little reasoning." I think it's a stretch to say I have lots of words, either.

[Miss Lane]

How do you ever convince people to lynch your scumreads then?

Are you implying I want you lynched right now? This post confuses me so much.

[Miss Lane]

How do you ever convince people to lynch your scumreads then?

Are you implying I want you lynched right now? This post confuses me so much.

This post makes absolutely no sense unless you assume that I want you lynched right now and the only purpose for my vote is to push for your immediate lynch.

[Alduskkel]

bruh you haven't even given reasons

and as for your question, it's more of a playstyle question about how you, as town, try to get your scumreads lynched if you're not into vote explanations
like what would you do if you wanted someone lynched but you were the only one voting them?

[Miss Lane]

bruh you haven't even given reasons

and as for your question, it's more of a playstyle question about how you, as town, try to get your scumreads lynched if you're not into vote explanations
like what would you do if you wanted someone lynched but you were the only one voting them?

I already said I'll explain when I'm ready?

I like vote explanations when I need to get someone lynched.

[Miss Lane]

bruh you haven't even given reasons

and as for your question, it's more of a playstyle question about how you, as town, try to get your scumreads lynched if you're not into vote explanations
like what would you do if you wanted someone lynched but you were the only one voting them?

I already said I'll explain when I'm ready?

I like vote explanations when I need to get someone lynched.

Situationally. But if I was trying to get you lynched right now I'd definitely have explained.

[Alduskkel]

well then what's the purpose of your vote on me?

[Miss Lane]

well then what's the purpose of your vote on me?

[Auro]

Also just because the reasons I provide aren't ones you like doesn't make any of it "little reasoning." I think it's a stretch to say I have lots of words, either.

What reasons did you provide, though?

[Alduskkel]

well then what's the purpose of your vote on me?

It's a serious question.
Look, I'm using proper grammar and punctuation. That's how serious I am.

[Auro]

AURO I WASN'T THAT FAR YET AND IT DOES MAKE ME FEEL WAY BETTER OK

I mean lol, that was just 4 posts after the previous one; I still definitely find this accusation from you odd.

[Miss Lane]

well then by that logic shouldn't every player be trying to hide? VTs to look like masons, masons to avoid getting shot, scum to look town, etc.?

the fact that miss lynch's spelling of my name changes every time is kind of funny

well then what's the purpose of your vote on me?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_deduction_game

[Auro]

Not really relevant but here's my counter-wiki: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... _Your_Vote

[popsofctown]

VOTE: TSE

I’m not buying your Auro town read. Anyone could have easily said what Auro said regardless of alignment.

Auro, in post 85 you defended TSE by saying you thought TSE was just memeing, but post 90 makes it clear that’s not the case. Does this change your read at all?

Hm opposite of my take again, do I reconsider, or do I post the principal skinner meme and tinfoil an Alduskkel/Auro/Klick team?

Hello everybody, my name is Y'shtola Rhul. I am here as an observer and a scholar to the art of mafia.

I will be on standby if needed.

Awkward tone.

All three shot types confirmed darn it all

May I ask why you Town read Klick?

As a side note, I think a lot of RVS posts end up seeming awkward, town or scum. Rhul's RVS post was probably decided before gamestart.

This seems like a biased viewpoint, to me the post seemed tailored to match the tempo of the posts surrounding it and didn't see planned pregame.
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I really like the thought process in Alduskkel'spost 140, Alduskkel"] and it seems townier than his towngame. The conspiracy theory wasn't obvious to me and seems like town paranoia.

VoteCount 1.5

RVS Award for

I'm Very Concerned Right Now

goes to...

mod: can i play w/o reading my role card?

No.

dang, ok i read it ready to go

Mafiascum trigger the player who triggered the necessity of this rule was named Quagmire and was disliked for unrelated reasons in some contexts.

Hi. I'm Miss Lynch. I exclusively play in MafTiger in protest for how terrible it is. Did you know that there are several buttons that are completely invisible in MafTiger, and some (like the Q+ button) simply do not exist at all?

VOTE: alskadel

I thought you were an alt when I was skimming D&D but now you're definitely an alt.

Cheeky, can you quote some of TSE's posts that you think are out of his scumrange?

I felt that way about post 23 although I'm basing an idea of his scumplay off of one towngame so it's sketchy.
If you feel like citing post 23 as out of scumrange is either dumb or diminutive of the player's scumrange that is probably how you should feel.

popsof

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ctown replaces rb!

Oh hey the latter pages are more uneventful and I am caught up without lots more comment? Unfortunately this triggers shot thooooooooooooo

For Hectic's birthday he misspelled my name and got me my role PM towards the end of my window for reading

Yay! Hi!

Thoughts on Auro?

He's climbed up to closer to null by the time I got to this point but I think he'd be in the list of people I would kill gun-to-head. But below slots like Homura or woodchuck, moreso because I don't anticipate future readability rather than them being much different from a tie for me.

My play might not match your expectations of my townplay, by the way - I'm a lot less serious about this game

I draft this post like a jillion times when I roll scum and backspace it so my heart feels concern.

I'm townreading a lot of the active posters, primarily.
Homura is coasting on the TSE attack.
Miss Lynch's opening posts are scummy, she "skims" the game and votes Aldusskel without any explanation.

My play might not match your expectations of my townplay, by the way - I'm a lot less serious about this game

What's scummy about that? Solid reasoning for Alk has already been given, I don't like how you're trying to frame "skimming the game" as something scummy to do.

It's not townie to do, if you're on my team could you pretty please read the short thread word by word? I'm doing that. In fairness I am not reaching that level of tryhard where I do that fully sober, but I am at least at minimum doing it. I release you from doing it sober. I release Hectic from posting votecounts sober.

Mason mason mason.

I hate you.

Solid reasoning for Alk has already been given

You're the only vote on Alk. Maybe I missed it, where's the "solid reasoning for Alk"? Quote please.

Several players have acted outside the bounds of solid, consistently town play and have solid reasons for suspicion, but none of them seem to catch your eye at all.

Lot of words in your posts but little reasoning. Maybe show me the "solid reasons for suspicion"? Who are these several players?

This is goodposting could you please most fully depart null in one direction or the other please

This is a scummy post since it should be somewhat intuitive that a "hiding strategy" for masons is almost as dominant as active scumhunting from the symmetry of the setup.

well then by that logic shouldn't every player be trying to hide? VTs to look like masons, masons to avoid getting shot, scum to look town, etc.?

That's irrelevant in terms of reading you because most of the time people think in 0-1 wine swaps, and you're positing 2+ wine swap logic, and the behavior from you I'm examining is a pretty off the cuff thing, not like, a claim in a dethy setup or something.
I liked one of your later posts so you gained some ground anyway, though.

Proposal/question: should we be posting townreads at all in this setup? Maybe we should only bring them up at L-1?

[popsofctown]

I said trigger instead of trivia because I'm drunk and I hope that is the only notpreviewediting to do

[Egix96]

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Is it bad that I want to scumread you Auro?

If you'll forgive my personal biases... no, not at all.

VOTE: Homura
I think this and Miss Lynch both have decent chances of being scum.

Chemist, your accusation of TSE is unfair, he was pressed for reasoning and *then* said he thought I was VT over scum because of the "slip". I don't see why town shouldn't distinguish between Masons and VTs in their sorting process. I feel like you made up a reason to sit on TSE's wagon.

I’d feel this way too but Let’s just say me and Chemist have “History”

He honestly would just place a vote on me for any reason just for the sack of getting rid of me.

If someone said “PL TSE”
He would join that vote.

Let me guess, you once dunked on him so hard it made him never want to trust you again?

And yet I'm finding your tone more stiff.

*shrug* I think my tone's always like this Anything else that makes you want to scumread me?

Idk, I remember you once saying that people find your tone to be more "frozen" when you're scum. Old news?

I'm townreading a lot of the active posters, primarily.
Homura is coasting on the TSE attack.
Miss Lynch's opening posts are scummy, she "skims" the game and votes Aldusskel without any explanation.

My play might not match your expectations of my townplay, by the way - I'm a lot less serious about this game

What's scummy about that? Solid reasoning for Alk has already been given, I don't like how you're trying to frame "skimming the game" as something scummy to do.

Does using the tiger skin really make it so bad such that

seven pages

is an amount you don't have time to read at normal speed? Afaict the issue here is that people are expecting you to have had no need to just skim it all.

@Pops: Not quoting your post because it would be a pain to trim down on this device, but I'm curious as to how you interpreted my "in a nutshell" comment. What I meant is that I have historically had a high rate of randing scum in Open games.

[Auro]

I draft this post like a jillion times when I roll scum and backspace it so my heart feels concern

There's a specific reason I said this to Cheeky in particular. When I say I'm not going to be "as serious" I don't mean I'll troll around, just that I won't be putting in *as* much effort as Cheeky might have seen me recently put in.

[Auro]

Idk, I remember you once saying that people find your tone to be more "frozen" when you're scum. Old news?

Yeah, because I started to get these accusations thrown my way in towngames too, and I've also been townread off tone (I think) in scumgames.

[popsofctown]

I interpreted as you have a high rate of getting scumread (as both alignment)s in open games, since you were scumread last we played together (and you were scum so like maybe you do rand scum a lot in opens!)