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[NorwegianboyEE]

I see your argument Brian, but i'd almost always lynch TSE before Xtoxm in this situation here.

[Brian Skies]

I'm gonna be real here. I'm really only worried about us both being wrong.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Farkran
Can you specify why you believe 322 spews Shadowlesscloud as town? Because i’m not seeing it. And it’s a weak reason to townread him imo.

[Amrun]

Interesting turn of events.

If wondertime was the NK, I put more credence into Shireen/TSE scum than I did previously. Wondertime was convinced Y+K was TMI bussing the shireen slot.

I’m going to PM the mod and see if they’ll confirm no 3p. That’s really odd, considering I was heavily weighing Brian as a 3p. I’ve never seen a mod confirm such a thing, yet it’s a stupid thing to lie about so it’s probably not a lie.

[Farkran]

I'm gonna be real here. I'm really only worried about us both being wrong.

Well, don't be afraid to out your thoughts. As i said, we have 13 days to talk it through. Even if it is very improbable that i will move my vote away from TSE, i see no harm in exploring other possibilities.

From my hood with Eragon, i can relay that we had Espeonage (agreed from both parties), Brian (both), TSE (mainly eragon, i initially thought Shireen was town), Xtoxm (only from eragon), Shadowless (only from me).

pedit: yeah in a minute

[Xtoxm]

@Fark, wonder had bitmap in his locktown core so I dont believe he would be nk. Elite bg thing seems more likely.

[Amrun]

No, I think wondertime is a perfectly believable NK.

[Farkran]

btw i think bitmap and esp either have to be t/t or s/s.

them being t/s would offset the balance of their roles, and im assuming this is their only ability which would mean the scum gain the advantage here while the town one of them would be pretty weak considering.

that being said i like both to a certain degree so far so t/t is where im sitting

I don't understand the reasoning behind this.

So, i and eragon talked a lot about shadowless. And i mean a lot. He was one of my main scumreads after yumeko flipped, because his ISO is realistically quite poor in content, there are pretty much no solve attempts, only minor setup spec and a lot of noise about his hood - he didn't want to engage with any of the votes either.

Eragon however has much more meta experience with jalandh (i.e. shadowless on that other mafia site) and provided a tinfoil argument that he would not push a theory of S/S council candidates compromising if he knew about the mafiascum custom of having mafia daychat pretty much always. It was a weak argument back then, and i still scumreaded shadowless. However, after both candidates flipped - confirming the TvS theory - i really don't think scum!Bitmap and scum!Shadowless would take different stances about it.

[Farkran]

@Fark, wonder had bitmap in his locktown core so I dont believe he would be nk. Elite bg thing seems more likely.

Actually, wondertime was scumreading bitmap before their shouting match, which is not really a great reason to townread there, but that's not the main point

Would you agree that both me and wondertime were widely townread after yumeko flip, and both of us were being considered for the council hood? I was invited over wondertime, which most likely means that Bitmap had setup Wondertime for nk with post 1057 and then he would say he lied about inviting him.

It's a fairly easy and straightforward explanation to me - if this is not what happened, the only available alternative i can see is wondertime elite-bging norwegianboy who was the actual nk. I cannot have been a scum nk target because of council invitation.

[Xtoxm]

From memory you weren't that widely tr and I dont think you were nk.

What he said earlier isn't so important when, at the end of the day he called bitmap locktown. Scum dont typically kill their pockets.

It could make sense IF tse is scum, since it looked like he was wonders next plannes lynch.

If tse is town tho, I dont see any chance wonder was nk really.

[Xtoxm]

I do agree that wonder was widely tr, yes.

[Farkran]

I think only TSE was scumreading me back in d1, while more than half of the playerlist (which includes scum yumeko and scum bitmap, but still) was townreading me? Anyways, my point about wondertime was that they were very quick to change their mind and i would expect they would be equally quick to reconsider bitmap again if an opportunity arose - that's what you call a wild card, townreaded unpredictability is not something scum is happy to have around. If i were scum i would nk wondertime 100% of the times in this game.

Good point about wondertime willing to lynch TSE though, that would explain things even more.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m not sure i believe Wondertime used a protect on me, in fact i find it quite unlikely scum targeted me at all.

[Farkran]

I’m not sure i believe Wondertime used a protect on me, in fact i find it quite unlikely scum targeted me at all.

Why?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m not sure i believe Wondertime used a protect on me, in fact i find it quite unlikely scum targeted me at all.

Why?

It seems more likely for them to target someone like Wondertime or you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And i specifically told people to not visit me tonight.

[Brian Skies]

Welcome, Bitmap, You are

Bernie Sanders.

You are aligned with the

Bad waifus.

Your starting tier is Tier S. This is the highest tier, and thus you cannot be upgraded any further.

You promise more adequate health care services to the entire student body without a raise in their tuition fee.

Once per game during the night, you may activate medicare for all, and no mafia members will die this night, no matter what happens.

This makes me think multiple killing town roles is probably not impossible.

[Xtoxm]

so we have 2 premade hoods?
{fark, eragon}
{brian, shadow}
and a voted hood that could have been all town if espe was elected.
thats a LOT of masonrys, and a lot on scum locked out of info if those 5 names are town.

setup spec says theres scum those first 4 names.
eragon/fark - sounds like eragon claimed vig to fark fairly early and it seems reasonable, explains the espe kill. if im fark there, im going straight to my scum put and saying "yo eragon claimed vig in the hood lets kill him tonight". so fark is probably town.
leaves {brian, shadow} to contain the scum, who are also the 2 scummiest players by play

im feeling really confident final scum is in that pair.
fark i think you're just salty tse tried to vig you, hes not actually scum.

im wondering is brian is some kind of conditional lynchproof scum like this role that we have to work out how to kill

[Amrun]

And i specifically told people to not visit me tonight.

Yeah but why would scum listen to that

Welcome, Bitmap, You are

Bernie Sanders.

You are aligned with the

Bad waifus.

Your starting tier is Tier S. This is the highest tier, and thus you cannot be upgraded any further.

You promise more adequate health care services to the entire student body without a raise in their tuition fee.

Once per game during the night, you may activate medicare for all, and no mafia members will die this night, no matter what happens.

This makes me think multiple killing town roles is probably not impossible.

I agree.

[Amrun]

The mod confirmed there aren’t 3p that town or mafia can’t win with.

[Shadowlesscloud]

Just got off of work, bosses are mad as usual, yay

[Shadowlesscloud]

The mod confirmed there aren’t 3p that town or mafia can’t win with.

Wait there are two people saying this now? What?

[Farkran]

I'm... not salty at all

I just don't buy double vigs in this setup, especially when one is unconfirmed with very unplausible reasons for failure

The fact that his herovig choice is unbelievably bad is just added points

Pedit: no 3p confirmed? Weird. I still think we win by lynching TSE, falling back to the other names if we fail there. I find it really hard to lose this if the rest of the town isn't just negative utility as brian claims to be

But we can massclaim to make sure, if you want to. I don't really care.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I hard Claim 1-Shot Vigilante.
I was going for the hero shot.

Ok, this was what i was waiting for. I will now explain what happened.

I am neighbor with Eragon. Eragon claimed (and now confirmed) vigilante in the hood, with the ability to shoot one target, killing him

and all the players who visit said target

. The drawback is that after shooting, he cannot talk or act for the next game phase. That's megumin for you. We talked a lot about our reads and ultimately picked Espeonage as the target.

Bitmap visited me and espeonage to create the hood. Note that 1057 was a lie, probably to excuse wondertime's death. By visiting espeonage, bitmap exploded alongside him. Wondertime was the nk.

There is a minor chance that wondertime picked the elite bg ability and protected someone (likely norwee), so things may have not gone exactly as i said, but of these two facts i am 100% sure of:

1) Eragon is a vigilante, confirmed by Espeonage's death, so i have a really hard time believing TSE is another.
2) Bitmap invited Espeonage and Farkran to the student council.

Eragon and Farkran are conftown, and i believe posts 322 and 513 spew shadowless and amrun town respectively. Norwee is very likely town, by VCA and possibly due to wondertime being the bg on him (i cannot have been a scum target because bitmap invited me). I wished i could confirm xtoxm town via the upgrade ability, but i couldn't.

We win by lynching TSE (has a counterclaim pending) > Brian > xtoxm > adorable

But realistically TSE will be enough.

If I was Mafia why TF would I Claim a shot on you as last mafia left?
That’s fuckin stupid.

@Eragon
If I’m lynched here I highly suggest re-evaluating Farkran as they might be Bulletproof Mafia.

[Brian Skies]

I just don't buy double vigs in this setup, especially when one is unconfirmed with very unplausible reasons for failure

It's actually very plausible and still confirmable (I've already explained how we could potentially confirm it). You just don't want to.