Open 773: Masons and Mafia: RVS Awards (GAME OVER)

[Klick]

Also I really enjoy that while all three of them are arguing about nothing Yshtola and pops are able to just completely ignore them and have their own off-topic conversation. I especially like the part where Yshtola gives townreads on Auro/ML without feeding the flame with either of them.

[Klick]

Auro has been defensive venom

:O

{Lot of (scummy?) words with little substance} is still where I'm at regarding her, I'm finding it difficult to search for meaning in her posts and think she's a fine lynch.

Ugh I'm having trouble seeing Auro decide it's a good idea as town to post this shortly after reading Aldus' post about ML making the game toxic.

[Klick]

104 - I find it a little bit odd that Klick seemed openly indifferent towards the Teeky wagon although TSE, whom Klick was voting at the time, was on there. I feel as though Klick would be more opposed to the wagon in that case.

I'm confused by this point. Could you explain it in a different way?

I think I'll keep my vote where it is for now.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

When your in so many games and have a day where you barely have time.
I’ll be somewhat more active tomorrow.
Apologies.

[CheekyTeeky]

I'm going to blame drunk pops and ML's ego for blowing up the thread. I'm probably not missing anything since Wood STILL hasn't posted.

[Sujimichi]

Thank you. What is it specifically about Alduskkel so far that makes him a town read for you?

His demeanor and how much effort he has been putting towards multiple slots in the game.

I came to a different conclusion in that most of his questions, such as the majority of post 142, appear to be made with the intent to look like he is questioning, but without the intent to truly understand. His last question in post 142, for example, is a leading question with only one "correct" answer and yet he utilizes it to make it seem as if TrueSoulEnergy is Mafia "walking the line" with Auro until he needs to cast him aside.

He does something similar to Miss Lynch in post 322 using the word "weird" instead of being straightforward with assigning alignment. One could say he is guilty of doing something similar to what he accused TrueSoulEnergy doing to Auro in that he is keeping his options open with regard to Miss Lynch (and it is not lost on me the humor in that he is lightly attacking Miss Lynch for attacking Auro and not voting him whilst keeping his vote on Egix96).

I am ignoring most of his posts with regard to "Mason" content.

[Miss Lane]

PEdit: Hello!
I'm not interested in those four today for a combination of reading them as town and liking how they're influencing the gamestate.
I got pretty strong town vibes off of Yshtola's Post 92 and like where she's going with things in general. With Auro I don't really have anything specific off the top of my head, but I feel like he's pushing this game in the right direction. If he keeps doing what he's doing I feel like it will benefit town in the long run, even if he winds up having a scum Role PM.

Is this post expressive of your current feelings towards the game or are you explicitly answering only the question asked?

[Alduskkel]

I deliberately said "weird" in 322 because I'm not scumreading Miss Lynch. I just disagree with the way she's scumhunting. I don't yet have a good read on her alignment, and I don't want to tunnel on someone just because we're having an unfriendly interaction.

so how do you plan on fixing that

This afternoon I'll have a go.

Y'shtola

Her questioning of things feels genuine and I empathise with her reading people based on feels, as is shown in 380.

Klick

I kinda wish that 51 wasn't a "troll response" because I actually kinda agree with it.
104 - I find it a little bit odd that Klick seemed openly indifferent towards the Teeky wagon although TSE, whom Klick was voting at the time, was on there. I feel as though Klick would be more opposed to the wagon in that case.

Auro

144 - I don't get what's -worthy about that.
277 - "I want to alt-hunt Rhul." - I presume this is because you believe it will help you read her? Otherwise I'm not seeing the point.

TSE

145 -> 146 - My immediate feeling was that this was scummy (sort of like an "argh damn I shouldn't have said that" response) but upon thinking about it a bit more carefully... is it really a scum's immediate thought to say "yes that's exactly what I'm doing" when they see someone accusing them of doing something scummy? I also kinda feel like the same kind of logic applies to 151.
185 - You seem to be failing to realise that saying someone is a VT narrows down the possibilities of who could be mason. It's hunting them by PoE.

So I prompted Egix to actually do some scumhunting but this post is very underwhelming. No real scumreads, hell no real townreads either.

Why are we not wagoning this?

[Miss Lane]

Before questions, I'd like to hear your opinions on reading the game first.

Auro continues to exhibit a line of anti-town questioning.

[CheekyTeeky]

Miss Lynch are you scumreading Auro?

[popsofctown]

but like Scholarship Student Isis didn't exist when I joined mafiascum but I lover her now :/

I'm confused on what you mean by this.

If this is your first account, you joined in 2020, and yshtola was a character that existed that you could theme your account around, and both your username and avatar reflect that.

I joined in 2008, and my avatar, Scholarship Student Isis, was conceived in ~2015-16, so I couldn't possibly have picked her as a name, but I can now set her as an avatar, that is what my avatar is <-

I'm confused what this has to do with your prior questioning.

Do you believe that I am not Y'shtola Rhul because I named myself Y'shtola Rhul?

Uh
I'm not sure whether this is the first mafiascum account of the human behind the keyboard
If this is your first mafiascum account you are Y'Shtola Rhul.
If you are Ankamius who has also made an extra mafiascum account and named it Y'shtola Rhul, you would still sure be Y'shtola Rhul, you would just also be the same human as Ank.
I don't think you are potentially a viera at a keyboard the way I might have back when I believed Santa might bring me a "real live Yoshi", but that is unambiguously a defect of character on my part and an inferiority compared to what I once was.

Ah, there's the misunderstanding.

I am, in fact, not a Viera. I am a Mi'qote, specifically a Seeker of the Sun. I apologize for not realizing the mixup before, but hopefully this clears up the misunderstanding.

If you would prefer to talk to a Viera, I can see if Lyna is willing to speak to you? She's rather busy, so I wouldn't set the bar too highly for your expectations.

I like
am not even mad anymore
Ok I only played FFTA and FFTA2 where the nonhuman female-only races are all viera except for the ones with super obvious flight, so I mistook you for Viera
And I doesn't know any M'iqote lore stuff so please bring me vieras so I can reminisce about how awesome a life crossroads of being a doublecasting mage or an assassin is as a win/win life outlook.

but like I guess more importantly please help me decide if you are town in this game
maybe chide me into drinking less
thanks in advance

I understand, Vieras are rather pretty from what I've been told and I'm flattered that you would mistake me as one.

Do you believe in my purpose? Whether I am among those that are searching for the truth or merely obscuring it, it depends mostly on your interpretation of that premise.

Yes. Identifying those with aether makes sense if you also have aether, since this world provides no means for secret attacks on them. You would also do this if you were obscuring the truth, though, as it gives an explanation for how you've spent your time.

If I trust your claims of who has aether and do not slay them, though, it is hard for me to learn if they were all your secret evil friends all along. Which is why I will need for you to explain your methods to me

[Alduskkel]

Don't worry about Yshtola, pops. We're masons.

[popsofctown]

is roleplaying really necessary

I can't tell if the 3 players you named are your townreads or scumreads

This is a really scummy post

[Alduskkel]

why

[popsofctown]

Finally, I think it's pretty scummy that of the players in the game right now, the only two you can really list as possibly scummy are Homura and me. Several players have acted outside the bounds of solid, consistently town play and have solid reasons for suspicion, but none of them seem to catch your eye at all.

Up until this post the only scumread you've expressed is Alduskkel.

Hypocrisy Is Not A Scumtell

[popsofctown]

I find myself skimming over most of Egix's posts without being able to commit much critical thinking to them. I've found in the past that that slot is scum >rand for me.

Do you mean that whenever you feel that way about a slot, that slot is scum, or that Egix's slot is usually >rand scum?

[popsofctown]

why

As town I was happy it was content even though I wasn't positive what aether meant (but I'm mostly sure it means town-aligned).
As scum there is more ability to be "righteously indignant" about the obfuscation.

Also my 1/1 sample size on people complaining about gimmick account self imposed post restrictions is 100% scum.

[popsofctown]

VOTE: Alduskkel
Don't like this silly closed-fist-raccoon-trap thing Alduskkel did with Egix, either
I don't think Aldi is town

[Alduskkel]

well from my perspective I didn't know what aether meant and unlike you I wasn't "mostly sure" it meant town-aligned.

my interest in understanding what yshtola meant comes from 1) seeing if her reads influence mine and 2) assessing her own alignment

pedit: what is a closed-fist-raccoon-trap

[popsofctown]

Back a couple centuries when racoon pelts were very valuable there was a kind of trap trappers would make for raccoons that is cheaper/easier to make than a classic metal pressure-triggered closing metal trap. It was a box with a hole in it exactly the diameter of a racoon's wrist, with a tiny bit of food in it. There was no other mechanism at all. The racoon would smell the food, find the trap, and reach in to grab the piece of food. But when the racoon closes his or her fist around the food, the fist becomes wider than its unclenched hand was, so even though it was able to enter the trap, the racoon cannot pull its fist to its mouth to eat the food.
The racoon becomes unable to leave. Something at least as intelligent as an ape would pretty likely open its fist and pull its hand out and pursue other ways of spending its life. But the racoons simplistic brain refuses to consider unclenching its fist, which is holding FOOD, the most exciting thing ever, for hours and hours and hours. There is naturally nothing lethal about this trap, so the hunter must check on it at regular intervals to execute the racoon, generally with a gun but maybe with a trained dog.

I feel like its fallacious to have particularly strong reads in this game state, so I feel like Egix was set up to fail

[Auro]

Ugh I'm having trouble seeing Auro decide it's a good idea as town to post this shortly after reading Aldus' post about ML making the game toxic.

Meh. She was telling people "back off like Auro did", I didn't want anyone misconstruing my disengagement as losing my scumread. I think it's feigned toxicity anyway. Toxicity shouldn't be a reason for someone to stop calling someone else scum, f that!

[Auro]

Ugh, I wish I didn't scumread Pops.
{Pops, Suji, Egix, (ML?)}

[Sujimichi]

I deliberately said "weird" in 322 because I'm not scumreading Miss Lynch. I just disagree with the way she's scumhunting. I don't yet have a good read on her alignment, and I don't want to tunnel on someone just because we're having an unfriendly interaction.

Thank you for the clarification.

[Alduskkel]

Okay, you got me pops. The truth is I don't have a very strong scumread on Egix. I wanted to act like it was (and, ideally, create a wagon) in order to pressure the slot into giving more AI information.

Why do you scumread pops, Auro?

[Auro]

I can't put it in exact words. Her reads and earlier attacks are part of it, I guess.