Newbie 1987 | Game Over

[clidd]

My PoE right now:

72offsuit -->

Mafia

clidd --

Town

Maduisha --

Town

GeneralWu --> ?
OldMapleNostalgia -->

Mason

ceejayvinoya (SE) --> ?
JacksonVirgo (SE) -->

Town

[clidd]

Considering that i am correct about Maduisha, of course.

[clidd]

So, if you're truly

town

, GeneralWu,

ceejay

+

72offsuit

make sense to you ?

[GeneralWu]

Just to be clear:

I'm not voting on you because I believe in other possibilities that would consider your innocence. But, I confess that you are leaving me in a difficult position to judge.

tbh this post (and a few other ones from clidd) make me feel like if maduisha is a wolf, he'd also be one.
clidd gives me this feeling that he's trying to shield maduisha by letting her newbcard and stuff.

Hum, no.

Scum!clidd

is much more discreet. I'm just considering that she can be town because of past experiences (of players with similar behavior who were

towns

and were misslynched).

well have you considered the fact that people who do what maduisha did are more likely to be scum? even though some people who have done that may have been town, it doesn't mean everyone who does that is town.

Experienced players, perhaps.

Newb!Scum

, no. If you have a statistical basis (completed matches) to support your argument, I will take back what I said.

why would experienced players do that
I mean if you have someone who's good at the game with a first timer scumbuddy, the pro guy might instruct his scumbuddy to do that.
I feel like newer players are more likely to do that kind of quick hang, since they're able to newbcard and have a higher chance of getting away with it.

[JacksonVirgo]

Mason dying is unfortunate but at least confirms the setup

not quite, the setup could either have 2 mafia goons or a mafia goon and a mafia roleblocker.
although the roleblocker's power would do nothing if there is one in the game.

Roleblocker is essentially a Goon in this setup

[GeneralWu]

So, if you're truly

town

, GeneralWu,

ceejay

+

72offsuit

make sense to you ?

why do you think 72offsuit and ceejay are mafia

[JacksonVirgo]

So, if you're truly

town

, GeneralWu,

ceejay

+

72offsuit

make sense to you ?

why do you think 72offsuit and ceejay are mafia

He doesn't

[Karnage]

Vote Count 2.6

72offsuit (3) ~

clidd, JacksonVirgo, ceejayvinoya,

Maduisha (2) ~

GeneralWu, OldMapleNostalgia,

OldMapleNostalgia (1) ~

Maduisha,

GeneralWu (1) ~

72offsuit,

Not voting (0) ~

With 7 alive it's 4 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2020-03-04 07:38:13)

V/LA: none

[GeneralWu]

Mason dying is unfortunate but at least confirms the setup

not quite, the setup could either have 2 mafia goons or a mafia goon and a mafia roleblocker.
although the roleblocker's power would do nothing if there is one in the game.

Roleblocker is essentially a Goon in this setup

yeah cuz there's two masons who have no night actions and so the roleblocker doesn't have anyone to block.

[GeneralWu]

So, if you're truly

town

, GeneralWu,

ceejay

+

72offsuit

make sense to you ?

why do you think 72offsuit and ceejay are mafia

He doesn't

then why did he ask me that question

[clidd]

Just to be clear:

I'm not voting on you because I believe in other possibilities that would consider your innocence. But, I confess that you are leaving me in a difficult position to judge.

tbh this post (and a few other ones from clidd) make me feel like if maduisha is a wolf, he'd also be one.
clidd gives me this feeling that he's trying to shield maduisha by letting her newbcard and stuff.

Hum, no.

Scum!clidd

is much more discreet. I'm just considering that she can be town because of past experiences (of players with similar behavior who were

towns

and were misslynched).

well have you considered the fact that people who do what maduisha did are more likely to be scum? even though some people who have done that may have been town, it doesn't mean everyone who does that is town.

Experienced players, perhaps.

Newb!Scum

, no. If you have a statistical basis (completed matches) to support your argument, I will take back what I said.

why would experienced players do that
I mean if you have someone who's good at the game with a first timer scumbuddy, the pro guy might instruct his scumbuddy to do that.
I feel like newer players are more likely to do that kind of quick hang, since they're able to newbcard and have a higher chance of getting away with it.

Hum, it's possible, but unlikely. Maduisha's behavior was extremely suspicious and would cause her to be lynched immediately. I don't see where that would bring an advantage to her partner (i was the first to TR her, so their strategy didn't work, obviously)

[GeneralWu]

Vote Count 2.6

72offsuit (3) ~

clidd, JacksonVirgo, ceejayvinoya,

Maduisha (2) ~

GeneralWu, OldMapleNostalgia,

OldMapleNostalgia (1) ~

Maduisha,

GeneralWu (1) ~

72offsuit,

Not voting (0) ~

With 7 alive it's 4 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2020-03-04 07:38:13)

V/LA: none

and why does he have his vote on 72offsuit

[JacksonVirgo]

Vote Count 2.6

72offsuit (3) ~

clidd, JacksonVirgo, ceejayvinoya,

Maduisha (2) ~

GeneralWu, OldMapleNostalgia,

OldMapleNostalgia (1) ~

Maduisha,

GeneralWu (1) ~

72offsuit,

Not voting (0) ~

With 7 alive it's 4 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2020-03-04 07:38:13)

V/LA: none

and why does he have his vote on 72offsuit

Have you read the thread?

[clidd]

This type of strategy would only work if everyone had a flexible mindset like mine. Evidently, most were initially in favor of Maduisha's lynch. Since day 1 it was already possible to deduce that this type of approach would rarely work in this type of game, given the playerlist.

[GeneralWu]

Hum, it's possible, but unlikely. Maduisha's behavior was extremely suspicious and would cause her to be lynched immediately. I don't see where that would bring an advantage to her partner (i was the first to TR her, so their strategy didn't work, obviously)

what I'm saying is the newbie player could say "oh I didn't know we weren't supposed to do that since this is like my first game of mafia" and somehow manage to get away with it.
If the pro player did something as reckless as that, he would probably be lynched immediately. But the new player who is just starting to play mafia can argue that he doesn't know it's bad for town.

[GeneralWu]

Vote Count 2.6

72offsuit (3) ~

clidd, JacksonVirgo, ceejayvinoya,

Maduisha (2) ~

GeneralWu, OldMapleNostalgia,

OldMapleNostalgia (1) ~

Maduisha,

GeneralWu (1) ~

72offsuit,

Not voting (0) ~

With 7 alive it's 4 to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2020-03-04 07:38:13)

V/LA: none

and why does he have his vote on 72offsuit

Have you read the thread?

you guys posted like 10 pages worth of posts while I wasn't here so I'm still quickly reading through stuff
but now that you guys are online i'm busy responding to your posts and not catching up lol

[clidd]

No, this reasoning is very simplistic. The votes on her only stopped because I intervened (precisely because I suspect she is town).

[clidd]

She would be lynched instantly.

[clidd]

So, if you're truly

town

, GeneralWu,

ceejay

+

72offsuit

make sense to you ?

Answer this, Wu.

[72offsuit]

Day 2

--> 7 players

2 mafia

vs

5 town

(

-2

--> Misslynch/Night-kill)

Day 3

-->

3 town

vs

2 mafia

(if mason alive, cc) --> (50/50 between both)

Maybe mason alive works (without mason chance is 2/5 of hitting mafia) but my life would be at risk.

Clidd only puts forward a situation where it becomes 2 maf vs 3 townie -Because he knows that im town

[GeneralWu]

This type of strategy would only work if everyone had a flexible mindset like mine. Evidently, most were initially in favor of Maduisha's lynch. Since day 1 it was already possible to deduce that this type of approach would rarely work in this type of game, given the playerlist.

uh actually if you look at maduisha's posts you can see that there's a pretty good chance she's mafia and she quickly found a random reason to hang phi after phi was placed at L-1.
Look at her ISO, especially the part around where she hammered phi. Her transition in attitude was pretty sudden and didn't seem natural. She doesn't seem like a newbie townie who made an honest mistake.

[JacksonVirgo]

Both

mafia

PRs do nothing in the current scenario. Mason without his partner is a role without mechanical power, so I asked it to claim.

Clidd yeah that's the same logic I used in clearing them

[clidd]

Spoiler:

[GeneralWu]

oh my you guys are posting so much it's hard for me to catch up with stuff since every time I make a post someone else makes a post responding to one of mine

i'm gonna go back and read the older posts now so if you post something i might not be able to answer it right away

[clidd]

Ok, both are equal in IQ. I need someone to hammer 72.