Newbie 1987 | Game Over

[JacksonVirgo]

Both

mafia

PRs do nothing in the current scenario. Mason without his partner is a role without mechanical power, so I asked it to claim.

Clidd yeah that's the same logic I used in clearing them

fuck me, did not mean to quote that

[GeneralWu]

Spoiler:

So just some quick thoughts from me, while I have the time in between midterms. Sorry, I won't be able to format well because this is off my phone.

Maduisha:
Phi was giving off scum vibes to me, mainly because he ignored people calling him out for his overall strange behavior to the game. With that said, Madu hammered WAY too early on Phi, AND her reasoning as to hammering him is just complete garbage. Being bored with the game does not justify hammering someone that hasn't had a chance to respond at L-1. She took the opportunity to move on to the next day and ran with it. Bad hammers are a thing, but this was an ABSOLUTE SCUM PLAY in my eyes. VOTE: Maduisha

OS:
It was obvious to me that he was town. I am sure many people didn't like his entry to the game; however, as pointed out by Clidd, it was consistent with his other games. Him being open on playing his alt is also indicative of having nothing to hide. If he was scum, hiding his alt may have subconsciously played into his behavior. I don't see how people thought he was LOCK-scum at all.

Clidd:
You wrote in your wall that it was strange that I wanted to maintain neutrality while still pointing out someone's strange behavior. I mostly agree, but I can attribute that to getting a read on how the meta of the game itself would play out. So I'll start pushing. How can you conclude that the mafia team is not consisted of two newbies? They just need to recognize that OS was the best player in this game, which is something that you acknowledged in your wall. Is it too far of a jump for mafia newbies to recognize that he is a good kill when you literally told them that it was? You point this out again at the start of the day that, why are you adamant in letting people know that OS was lock-town in your eyes? I don’t like this behavior, fos on you

These posts of maple don't feel very genuine to me

why don't they feel very genuine to you?

[clidd]

@

Maduisha

@

OldMapleNostalgia

I need both to get back to the game and vote.

[72offsuit]

I just told you the

plan sucks

. Why would I agree with a plan that

i dont see as benefiting town

?

You had your chance to contribute or at least try to dialogue with us. Needless to say, your reaction during my speculation with Jackson was pathetic, as was your vote earlier in the day.

Now you are just trolling me. Im going to stop wasting time responding to your

garbage

.

Comparison with the reaction of a

scum

from a past game when accused by me:

I think looking for town reads over scum reads is viable in this setup.

Why you town reading Norway?

I agree, I'm not really scumreading anyone which now which is why I'm trying to work off of my townreads.

I'm leaning town on Norwee because I think as town he has a tendency to get pushed early when he's town and his play him mimics his town game decently well. I also need to look back and reevaluate Hectic's push on him.

Also I don't think clidd is new to mafia by any means so I think it's disingenuous to read him under the guise of 'he's a newbie'

By newbie I mean newbie to MS's way of playing. Which I think is reiterated by the

hot garbage logic

he has displayed. Like could be proven wrong tho. But I feel pretty happy with the level of effort I have seen.

Okies, I have issues with this bc I think your conclusions

are all wrong

.
1. I think given the mechanics and the need for traitors to not hammer each other that associative and reading in to information gathering allows for plenty of associatives later in to the game. I think fundamentally this game functions similarly to any other, just that some of the logic behind it changes. I don't think any play style is alignment indicative.
2. No daychat is common enough and has not been proven to change play styles a heap. I don't think there is likely any way to reliably signal traitor to traitor, however wolf could be signalling. Pre-day Strats tend to never go to plan in MS style mafia bc there is far too long required to hold up and any tenseness created by trying to illogically stick to a game plan gets scum read quickly. Over a few hours or 1 day, this can be expected to maybe work, but not here.
3. I kinda see your logic here but I don't think that the

logic doesn't apply to town

. We also don't want to hammer bc if we're wrong we lose flat out.
4. I think I covered this in point 2.
5. Given the small player list and that vocal people tend to be both strongly town read and strongly scum read, I think there is very little to be gained from looking at in thread charisma and presence as indicative of anything other than player skill neutrally.

Given that I don't really see your logic all together I think that any conclusions while potentially correct due to the near coin flip of any slot flipping scum, I think it would be purely coincidental.

Espeonage has been lynched. He was a

Werewolf Traitor!

All Wolfies and Traitors have been lynched. The town of Hectic, Norwegianboyww, AaronFrost, and. Clidd have won!

Another total garbage fake scumtull

Assumes im going to play exactly the same as a random player - sample size of 1 - you could have had 5 instances of town who stated similar statements and were town and convrniently ignored them.

Clidd's scumtells are forced and fake

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Lock town

Why is this lock town

This always pings me as mason with OS

whoa why
i'm not the mason lol

[clidd]

I'll probably ignore you at this point, 72.

[72offsuit]

VOTE: Clidd

[clidd]

72offsuit

L-1 (1 vote to lynch).

[72offsuit]

Bizarre that GW has not responded to any of my accusation!/ pressure on him

[clidd]

Yes, because he is your partner.

[72offsuit]

If neither Clidd nor GW are the lynch for today, then i will vote for whatever OMN decides.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: 72offsuit
hammer

[72offsuit]

Yes, because he is your partner.

States he is going to ignore me... Continues to respond to me

[72offsuit]

Clidd/GW maf. My job is done.

[72offsuit]

Scum is definitely on my wagon.
Should be easy from here despite lylos

[GeneralWu]

OS:
It was obvious to me that he was town. I am sure many people didn't like his entry to the game; however, as pointed out by Clidd, it was consistent with his other games. Him being open on playing his alt is also indicative of having nothing to hide. If he was scum, hiding his alt may have subconsciously played into his behavior. I don't see how people thought he was LOCK-scum at all.

Lol... How was he obv town?

He was Null as.

You saying he was obv town is scummy as

I explained using meta why he was lock-town, i doub you didn't understand that.

just happened to see this post so I might as well say something about it
meta isn't that useful without something else to complement it. I know from past experience that meta shouldn't be the sole reason someone is towny/scummy. (although I do feel like meta is more useful for defense than attack).

I remember getting hanged day 1 in my second game of forum mafia simply for "not following town meta" and I was town. It was quite frustrating. The people who voted me were also mostly townies.
The way I look at it, people play differently depending on the situation.

[clidd]

If neither Clidd nor GW are the lynch for today, then i will vote for whatever OMN decides.

I have already explained in 5 different dimensions why you are

scum

. Please be quiet and be held in silence. Waiting for real hammer.

VOTE: 72offsuit

Spoiler:

[72offsuit]

There is zero chance only town on my wagon

[JacksonVirgo]

There is zero chance only town on my wagon

Why don't you hammer yourself, then there will be one on your wagon

[GeneralWu]

also guys i've been reading the thread at countdown round speed so i should be caught up pretty soon
(in case you guys don't know what countdown round is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathcounts)

[72offsuit]

If neither Clidd nor GW are the lynch for today, then i will vote for whatever OMN decides.

I have already explained in 5 different dimensions why you are

scum

. Please be quiet and be held in silence. Waiting for real hammer.

VOTE: 72offsuit

Spoiler:

Clidd spoils hammer test

And zero actual legitimate scumtells

[clidd]

OS:
It was obvious to me that he was town. I am sure many people didn't like his entry to the game; however, as pointed out by Clidd, it was consistent with his other games. Him being open on playing his alt is also indicative of having nothing to hide. If he was scum, hiding his alt may have subconsciously played into his behavior. I don't see how people thought he was LOCK-scum at all.

Lol... How was he obv town?

He was Null as.

You saying he was obv town is scummy as

I explained using meta why he was lock-town, i doub you didn't understand that.

just happened to see this post so I might as well say something about it
meta isn't that useful without something else to complement it. I know from past experience that meta shouldn't be the sole reason someone is towny/scummy. (although I do feel like meta is more useful for defense than attack).

I remember getting hanged day 1 in my second game of forum mafia simply for "not following town meta" and I was town. It was quite frustrating. The people who voted me were also mostly townies.
The way I look at it, people play differently depending on the situation.

Yes, but meta helps a lot, you can't ignore that. If you was hammered unfairly, you must understand how I feel about Maduisha's behavior.

[72offsuit]

There is zero chance only town on my wagon

Why don't you hammer yourself, then there will be one on your wagon

Lol? So you are saying im town

[clidd]

72offsuit

hammer yourself then, if you flip

green

im the first to being lynched tomorrow.

[JacksonVirgo]

There is zero chance only town on my wagon

Why don't you hammer yourself, then there will be one on your wagon

Lol? So you are saying im town

Oh hahaha I thought you said there's a zero chance scum isn't on your wagon