Open 773: Masons and Mafia: RVS Awards (GAME OVER)


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Post Post #725 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:32 am

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In post 723, popsofctown wrote:I think you slightly misapprehend my point in that the malicious motive I'm mainly interested in is "Auro's desire to look town and not die", not "Auro's desire to successfully get pops mislynched." The ways it will be ineffectual would be really relevant if I was focused on the second one, but my concern is about the first one.
I understand the first part, I was only wondering about what you meant by the latter part of the original argument.

It is something I could fake as scum. If it's an empty question as town, that provides strength to the likelihood that I did fake it; and you don't accept my rationale behind the question. That's fine.
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Post Post #726 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:41 am

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In post 716, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:I think we should lynch one of Pops/ML tomorrow.
I'm gonna humour you for a bit - why those two? From what I can tell, your read on Pops is quite hedgy, and your read on ML from earlier is nonsensical:

Spoiler: Relevant posts
In post 556, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:
In post 525, popsofctown wrote:She's better at mafia than I
Ok so 2 things.
You didn’t read the trick question I asked your properly
Or
Your scum
In post 557, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:
In post 524, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:
In post 523, popsofctown wrote:Sujimichi is a being of unspeakable power and wisdom and her faction will probably win whichever it is.
Why exactly will it probably win.
What makes it more likely to win then that of your faction?
Now read carefully.
I purposely said this for your reaction.
In post 558, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:I’m sorta leaning scum on Pops because of that.
But they could have also just not read properly.
In post 637, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:I read Auro’s posts.
It’s Null but leaning Town.

I didn’t read ML’s posts at all and can tell it’s probably scum Motivated
Although Pops responds with Suji before I also don’t like.
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Post Post #727 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:47 am

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Hello. If anybody has any questions for me, let me know and I will return to you at the earliest convenience. Thank you.
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Post Post #728 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:04 am

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Yshtola is making it hard for me to remain sure she's town :(
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #729 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:08 am

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In post 728, popsofctown wrote:Yshtola is making it hard for me to remain sure she's town :(
Oh dear, this is alarming!

What can I do to help?
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Post Post #730 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:13 am

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If you identified four sin eaters, I would immediately know you weren't one because Hectic told me there are only 4.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #731 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:14 am

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You could also at least help me lynch Auro and if he flips the way I think he will it'd be pretty unlikely you're on his side
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #732 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:17 am

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Who do you think shot Alduskkel, Yshtola?

You seem to want to excuse yourself to certain categories of investigation, maybe you'll accept that one.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #733 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:27 am

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In post 731, popsofctown wrote:You could also at least help me lynch Auro and if he flips the way I think he will it'd be pretty unlikely you're on his side
Interesting, what makes you believe Yshtola and I don't share alignments?
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Post Post #734 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:30 am

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Nevermind that question.
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Post Post #735 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:38 am

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In post 720, Auro wrote:Suji, is your current read on me still the same as before?
No, and I need to reassess a few things following Alduskkel's death. One of which is my approach to this game as I have been mistakenly treating it similar to a normal game that guarantees a lynch by a majority.
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Post Post #736 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:39 am

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In post 599, Sujimichi wrote:
In post 593, Egix96 wrote:Like, all of it??
If you could provide enough so that I understand what specifically you are finding genuine, I would appreciate it.
Egix96
, I would still like this.
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Post Post #737 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:46 am

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In post 735, Sujimichi wrote:similar to a normal game that guarantees a lynch by a majority.
We still do have a guaranteed majority lynch.
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Post Post #738 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:47 am

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We do not as Day 2 started without one, and Alduskkel was not removed via lynching.
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Post Post #739 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:52 am

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I'm not getting much from reading Cat Scratch's Iso, but I sorta like this part:
In post 193, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:I agree with the nonchalant attitude in that he seems to be posting without a filter here compared to the game you linked. He does seem townier compared to that game,
although I'm not like locked on it.


I think he is tryharding though just going off of a lazy post count metric.
I feel like, from a scum POV, the difference would be obvious and they would just roll with it and not bother with (italicised). I'm aware this may seem like a stretch, but ehh it is what it is.

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In post 415, Klick wrote:I got pretty strong town vibes off of Yshtola's Post 92 and like where she's going with things in general. With Auro I don't really have anything specific off the top of my head, but I feel like he's pushing this game in the right direction. If he keeps doing what he's doing I feel like it will benefit town in the long run, even if he winds up having a scum Role PM.
I will say that p#92 isn't a specific post I found towny from Y'shtola, but I agree with the sentiment. I also really appreciate the comment on Auro, because it's a thought that was hiding in the back of my mind but I couldn't find the right words to express it.

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In post 169, woodchuck321 wrote:I like how Cheeky comes on and starts a. random voting & b. saying many things in short-ish messages when he sees there's a wagon on him.
Presuming that the "I like how..." is sarcasm, I'm not seeing the relevance of your point "b". Tbf Cheeky does have a tendency to chain-post from what I've seen of her in prior games, but I guess you meant it looked like she was flailing?

So far both times you've voted someone, it's been you hopping on a bandwagon, yet when you develop what appears to be a scumlean on Auro in you don't vote him? It doesn't give me the impression that you're genuinely attempting to solve the game.

I'm fine with voting
VOTE: woodchuck
for the time being.
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Post Post #740 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:53 am

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I mean a majority still guarantees a lynch. So you didn't read the scum dayvig mechanic?
I look forward to your reassessed read on me.
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Post Post #741 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:55 am

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In post 739, Egix96 wrote:I also really appreciate the comment on Auro, because it's a thought that was hiding in the back of my mind
You think the things I'm doing well benefit town even if I'm scum?
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Post Post #742 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:57 am

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In post 740, Auro wrote:I mean a majority still guarantees a lynch. So you didn't read the scum dayvig mechanic?
I look forward to your reassessed read on me.
I believe the intent of my statement was easily understood. What occurred was similar Day 1 No Lynch and Mafia nightkill as we did not end the day with a decided majority lynch with information to review, and Mafia chose the individual who was killed. I did not state that I was not aware of the mechanics in this game. I stated that I was mistakenly treating it as a normal game in terms of my analysis.

Apologies if you did not understand this, but I believe that you should have.
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Post Post #743 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:59 am

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In post 736, Sujimichi wrote:Egix96, I would still like this.
That really is it though.

pedit: Well I know you sometimes have a tendency to distance/bus so yeah possibly. Even so, if you are scum it will possibly become apparent in lategame anyway.
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Post Post #744 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:00 am

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I still don't. >.> Like the mechanic just feels like an add-on and I don't see why it affects analysis, but okay.
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Post Post #745 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:04 am

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In post 743, Egix96 wrote:Well I know you sometimes have a tendency to distance/bus so yeah possibly. Even so, if you are scum it will possibly become apparent in lategame anyway.
We have three games where I was scum and you were town.

First one, I did no bussing, you thought I was town throughout.
Second one, I got you lynched, and bussed my buddy only because it was absolutely necessary given the suspicion on me.
Third one, I distanced but didn't bus; you thought I was town throughout, and my team had a perfect win.

What informs you that I have a tendency to bus?
What informs you that I will become apparent if scum in lategame?
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Post Post #746 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:07 am

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In post 741, Auro wrote:
In post 739, Egix96 wrote:I also really appreciate the comment on Auro, because it's a thought that was hiding in the back of my mind
You think the things I'm doing well benefit town even if I'm scum?
It's not fallacious if he does! I feel like I get forced to incidentally foster healthy dayplay gamestates out of a necessity to mimic my town meta when I roll town. It's really awful.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #747 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:09 am

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In post 746, popsofctown wrote:It's not fallacious if he does!
If I thought it was fallacious I'd have pointed it out when it was originally made. Given Egix's history with me, I don't see how Egix has this opinion.
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Post Post #748 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:11 am

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In post 730, popsofctown wrote:If you identified four sin eaters, I would immediately know you weren't one because Hectic told me there are only 4.
Oh, little one. If I had the answers, then we wouldn't be in the predicament we are now in. I'm afraid this request is unrealistic and therefore can't be expected to reach completion.
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Post Post #749 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:13 am

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In post 732, popsofctown wrote:Who do you think shot Alduskkel, Yshtola?

You seem to want to excuse yourself to certain categories of investigation, maybe you'll accept that one.
Alduskkel had not posted in some pages before the shot, so it is unlikely to have been decided immediately after his latest post beforehand.

Might I suggest checking who posted between that timeframe and see what names stick out in your mind?
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