Open 774 || Purgatory — Game Over

ISO · Post Post #75 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:17 am

In post 62, Team STRQ wrote:What's unsatisfactory about their responses?

I wouldn't say unsatisfactory. That's a bit too strong.

Unrelatedly, it would be useful if more of the people that are town started making it obvious

ISO · Post Post #76 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:22 am

In post 74, popsofctown wrote:
No, Enter is my biggest fan, but he represses his feelings.

I read this setup for like the fourth time, and I think this has to be the most scumsided setup in the approved open setup lists? It's delightful

It's probably pretty scumsided. But it should be mitigated by the nightlessness.

ISO · Post Post #77 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:24 am

Isn't the EV 50%?

ISO · Post Post #78 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:26 am

I guess it's slightly less because of judgement day scum wins.

ISO · Post Post #79 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:27 am

I imagine it's quite significantly less. Might be a nice exercise to calculate.

Team STRQ · Post Post #80 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:31 am

In post 74, popsofctown wrote:
No, Enter is my biggest fan, but he represses his feelings.

I read this setup for like the fourth time, and I think this has to be the most scumsided setup in the approved open setup lists? It's delightful

How do you know I'm not Enter?

-Summer

ISO · Post Post #81 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:36 am

Also it can't be the most scumsided approved open setup, because Stack the Deck still exists.

popsofctown · Post Post #82 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:41 am

In post 80, Team STRQ wrote:
In post 74, popsofctown wrote:
No, Enter is my biggest fan, but he represses his feelings.

I read this setup for like the fourth time, and I think this has to be the most scumsided setup in the approved open setup lists? It's delightful
How do you know I'm not Enter?

-Summer

You're not repressing your adoration enough to be Enter

ISO · Post Post #83 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:43 am

Actually thinking more there's another factor canceling that out, which is that judgment days cause more people to be sent to hell than to heaven (a judgment day essentially replaces a heaven phase). Might make a monte carlo later (mostly out of laziness) but class is almost over so alas~

ISO · Post Post #84 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:44 am

actually monte carlo is stupid there's 9 choose 3 possible setups lol.

Team STRQ · Post Post #85 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:45 am

In post 82, popsofctown wrote:
In post 80, Team STRQ wrote:
In post 74, popsofctown wrote:
No, Enter is my biggest fan, but he represses his feelings.

I read this setup for like the fourth time, and I think this has to be the most scumsided setup in the approved open setup lists? It's delightful
How do you know I'm not Enter?

-Summer

You're not repressing your adoration enough to be Enter

Have you figured out who is each head yet? I'll give you one shot and I'll tell you of you have all 4 right

-Summer

ISO · Post Post #86 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:46 am

ANYWAY.

Amrun's vote on me does not sit well w/ me.

There are only like 2 people that i even want to call town and i don't even have good reasons for them. This needs to be fixed.

Amrun · Post Post #87 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:58 am

In post 86, implosion wrote:ANYWAY.

Amrun's vote on me does not sit well w/ me.

There are only like 2 people that i even want to call town and i don't even have good reasons for them. This needs to be fixed.

Why?

popsofctown · Post Post #88 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 7:59 am

I wasn't aware of Stack the Deck. I could easily believe it's more scumsided than this but I think that's nontrivial to ascertain (even though it trivially has poorer town EV).

Apart from the raw simulated probabilities of winning, having three baddies manipulating a nine player town is a much stronger social deduction dynamic than something like 2:6 nightless which is also at/near 50%. So I think this setup is pretty remarkable.

I have played against 14 townies with only 2 nightkills in a mafia trio before, playing a setup against half as many townies is such a different game. It is wild that people are going to look at both setups and shrug and say "close to even, roundabout right" when they can't both be.

I would point out that to implosion that this setup's special mechanic wrinkles the idea "nightlessness balances this out", partially. I agree nightlessness townsides setups in a way not reflected in the EV, but this setup has a half-night, where in heaven phase we are going to be removing players somewhat similar to ones that would be nightkilled from our game and discussion. It's not as bad as a nightkill, since in our ignorance we won't remove someone strictly for having a correct three card solve, but I think obvtowning is correlated with being an asset for sorting so it is a culling that hurts the town similar to an NK

popsofctown · Post Post #89 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:01 am

Danni flor do you want to discuss your opinion on the balance of this setup

popsofctown · Post Post #90 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:03 am

In post 85, Team STRQ wrote:
In post 82, popsofctown wrote:
In post 80, Team STRQ wrote:
In post 74, popsofctown wrote:
No, Enter is my biggest fan, but he represses his feelings.

I read this setup for like the fourth time, and I think this has to be the most scumsided setup in the approved open setup lists? It's delightful
How do you know I'm not Enter?

-Summer

You're not repressing your adoration enough to be Enter
Have you figured out who is each head yet? I'll give you one shot and I'll tell you of you have all 4 right

-Summer

The top left picture is Krazy. The top right picture is Taly. The bottom left picture is Ankamius. The bottom right picture is Enter
Will you tell me which picture goes with each nickname now

ISO · Post Post #91 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:41 am

In post 87, Amrun wrote:
In post 86, implosion wrote:ANYWAY.

Amrun's vote on me does not sit well w/ me.

There are only like 2 people that i even want to call town and i don't even have good reasons for them. This needs to be fixed.
Why?

Assuming this is asking about the vote not sitting well, it feels quite like a "look like i'm doing something" vote. I don't really like the sidestepping of engaging with me after my comment in 58.

popsofctown · Post Post #92 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:16 am

In post 60, Looker wrote:How are there clouds if it's dry? Don't clouds require moisture?

Clouds of smoke don't require moisture, they are primarily gaseous. I solved this game, will you sheep me everywhere now?

Amrun · Post Post #93 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:38 am

In post 91, implosion wrote:
In post 87, Amrun wrote:
In post 86, implosion wrote:ANYWAY.

Amrun's vote on me does not sit well w/ me.

There are only like 2 people that i even want to call town and i don't even have good reasons for them. This needs to be fixed.
Why?
Assuming this is asking about the vote not sitting well, it feels quite like a "look like i'm doing something" vote. I don't really like the sidestepping of engaging with me after my comment in 58.

How is that a sidestep? I explicitly said I did not have a hidden agenda voting for Elmo. Your insistence and assumption that I did is what struck me off at all. If you didn’t see what you assumed I saw, why vote with me at all?

popsofctown · Post Post #94 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:44 am

I don't see what my townread implosion is seeing really but I am going to go with him and VOTE: Amrun anyway

Elmo TeH AzN · Post Post #95 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:27 pm

Thing is I don't see that vote as a not doing something vote more just to turn the heat up on the game a little. I wish more were here for the moment but I don't think we're going to get that.

Right now the hydra confuses me but my read on them tells me that we're fine at this moment and justification. If anything I wish there were a few more chiming in.

ISO · Post Post #96 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:28 pm

i mean, i don't really especially think amrun is scum

Amrun wrote:How is that a sidestep? I explicitly said I did not have a hidden agenda voting for Elmo. Your insistence and assumption that I did is what struck me off at all. If you didn’t see what you assumed I saw, why vote with me at all?

I was being facetious, and was at least trying to be obvious about that.

I do actually scumread elmo, though. Not strongly or anything. I didn't really like her RVS, the post above this one is also just a bit... meh. It's not really advancing the gamestate at all to just say that the hydra is confusing her, though of course I understand the annoyance w/ people still being afk from the game.

ISO · Post Post #97 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:29 pm

eh. I guess I can call S_S town.

the hydra is probably going to be eternally null for me which is a bit awkward given this setup.

Team STRQ · Post Post #98 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:32 pm

In post 64, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 62, Team STRQ wrote:Why is pops scum?

In post 20, popsofctown wrote:
Oh cool I'm voting scum.
It wasn't my finest work, I get it.

Meh, I'm not feeling scum on pops, he seems uninhibited with his posting and is more active. While activity itself is not enough for a confident townread, I feel like town wins by townbloccing here, and communication helps parse that. Since there's no NK, there's no reason to withdraw townreads for fear they would be killed, and he was the first to act on one with 94

UNVOTE:

I also liked the vote because it's not surface-level, which indicates a drive to solve.

Give me a townread S_S, and perhaps some thoughts over less vocal people {Looker, Elmo, Homura, Phi Kappa Phi}

Also prodding said people within the brackets

-Tai

Team STRQ · Post Post #99 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2020 4:33 pm

In post 72, Amrun wrote:VOTE: implosion

Is he your only read?

In post 75, implosion wrote:
In post 62, Team STRQ wrote:What's unsatisfactory about their responses?
I wouldn't say unsatisfactory. That's a bit too strong.

Unrelatedly, it would be useful if more of the people that are town started making it obvious

Anyone you think has been obvious?

In post 95, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:Thing is I don't see that vote as a not doing something vote more just to turn the heat up on the game a little. I wish more were here for the moment but I don't think we're going to get that.

Right now the hydra confuses me but my read on them tells me that we're fine at this moment and justification. If anything I wish there were a few more chiming in.

This is a new 4p hydra. I'm familiar with playing with my other 3 heads in OTHER hydrae, but not altogether.

So we're a bit messy as all 4 of us each have playstyles that are a bit different from each other.

I'm kind of waiting for all my heads to start giving out thoughts and reading more critically, but I'm open to answering questions you have. I can speak for myself.

p-edit

implosion wrote:eh. I guess I can call S_S town.

the hydra is probably going to be eternally null for me which is a bit awkward given this setup.

We can change that

More posts I send, more opportunity for GIFs on a show most of you don't know

...the GIF I want isn't copying

-Tai