Open 773: Masons and Mafia: RVS Awards (GAME OVER)

[popsofctown]

Skimmy, so I may have messed up a little, but I think it seems that everyone but Egix and Klick posted between the two VCs.

Based on the way those two engage with the site, I feel like I wouldn't rule out Egix from deliberately visiting the site just to submit a daykill and not posting in the game, but I probably would rule Klick out from it.

I like kind of wanted to hear your thought process more than mine so I could read you but now this exercise is getting reflected back onto me.

[Yshtola Rhul]

I have been quite unabashed in stating my opinion that Cat Scratch Fever is a potentially likely candidate, Popsofctown. Of special note is the time the daykill was resolved, via the edit message at the end of the post.

[Egix96]

VOTE: Chemist

this is my easy strat to clear myself as a VT is it working

bold of you to assume I’m not a goon

No because I'm the capricious Duchess and I don't personally scumread your towntone.

CheekyTeeky is out too because I only scumread her towntactics.

Chemist1422 is invited to submit an application.

fun fact recently I’ve been getting scumread for having towny entrances

Your opening does ring kinda towny to me tho ngl. Should I be concerned?

In all seriousness though, I'd like to see more from you when you have the chance.

[Egix96]

Skimmy, so I may have messed up a little, but I think it seems that everyone but Egix and Klick posted between the two VCs.

Based on the way those two engage with the site, I feel like I wouldn't rule out Egix from deliberately visiting the site just to submit a daykill and not posting in the game, but I probably would rule Klick out from it.

I like kind of wanted to hear your thought process more than mine so I could read you but now this exercise is getting reflected back onto me.

Bleh, angles.

Fwiw I didn't really think Aldus was a mason, so I wouldn't have risked a shot on him.

[Egix96]

Well I know you sometimes have a tendency to distance/bus so yeah possibly. Even so, if you are scum it will possibly become apparent in lategame anyway.

We have three games where I was scum and you were town.

First one, I did no bussing, you thought I was town throughout.
Second one, I got you lynched, and bussed my buddy only because it was absolutely necessary given the suspicion on me.
Third one, I distanced but didn't bus; you thought I was town throughout, and my team had a perfect win.

What informs you that I have a tendency to bus?
What informs you that I will become apparent if scum in lategame?

I stand corrected; I must be misremembering all that. I do remember you distancing yourself from me plenty in the Jungle Rep game, but yeah I don't recall you actually voting me.
As for the lategame thing... honestly I'm finding it hard to put this into words, but kind of like Haunted Village/JR? By which I mean, in the former I was feeling paranoid about you at 5v3 (it's why I wanted you to claim first. And really I think it was obvious in hindsight) and in JR you were essentially mafia by PoE.

Spoiler: Btw

I also really appreciate the comment on Auro, because it's a thought that was hiding in the back of my mind

You think the things I'm doing well benefit town even if I'm scum?

It's not fallacious if he does! I feel like I get forced to incidentally foster healthy dayplay gamestates out of a necessity to mimic my town meta when I roll

town

. It's really awful.

Townslip??

[popsofctown]

I presumed posting weird characters meant he already planned to put a daykill in the post. I think I saw his placeholder for a VC before at some point and it was far more mundane, "/\" IIRC. So I would think CSF has the same chance of anyone as having fire it, since she posted between that votecount and the last one.

I think anyone who posted between that votecount and the last one, but not between the last one and the previous-to-previous-one, would have an increased odds of having done the shot and I wanted to check that. CSF is likely also on that list, she doesn't post lots and lots.

[Yshtola Rhul]

I presumed posting weird characters meant he already planned to put a daykill in the post. I think I saw his placeholder for a VC before at some point and it was far more mundane, "/\" IIRC. So I would think CSF has the same chance of anyone as having fire it, since she posted between that votecount and the last one.

I think anyone who posted between that votecount and the last one, but not between the last one and the previous-to-previous-one, would have an increased odds of having done the shot and I wanted to check that. CSF is likely also on that list, she doesn't post lots and lots.

This is fair in theory, but it seems less prudent to do as such when a game changing event happens. The edit took in the realm of hours to edit in.

[popsofctown]

The edit took an hour and twenty minutes, not hours

[Yshtola Rhul]

The edit took an hour and twenty minutes, not hours

A minor difference.

[popsofctown]

If we assume he edited it into the VC based on a PM between when he posted it and when it was finished I think it's almost always CSF, the only other poster I think is Auro and he never dayvigs here even as scum. Allowing something that happened after the placeholder vote appeared is a little sloppymodding/bastard? though, if you pagetop a VC and the post directly below it is a vote you generally don't incorporate it in the VC.

Hectic doesn't have a history of modding so it's unclear what to expect from him.

[popsofctown]

Why aren't you voting CSF, if you feel confident she performed the dayvig?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

I have been quite unabashed in stating my opinion that Cat Scratch Fever is a potentially likely candidate, Popsofctown. Of special note is the time the daykill was resolved, via the edit message at the end of the post.

What is the relevance of the edit message?

[popsofctown]

CSF's avatar froze for a little bit and I started to cry but then it started again and I'm ok now

[popsofctown]

Yshtola's theory is that Hectic posted a placeholder VC without locking the thread at 2:30, he was PM'ed a daykill between 2:30 and 3:50, and then he edited it at 3:50 and decided the VC would actually be a daykill announcement after all.

The main idea behind the post originally being meant to be a VC is probably how he didn't lock the thread while it was pending, which many mods would do if it was a daykill submitted before even the placeholder had appeared.

[Chemist1422]

isn't that literally the definition of angleshooting and illegal

[popsofctown]

I'm restating points Y'shtola already made, I'm not sure to what degree I would see it as icky/not icky to posit this if it was my idea.

I think Hectic used weird characters in his post because it was a major post and he didn't lock the thread because as a novelty he could manage to run this whole game without using the lock feature (which, as his first modded game, he might not even have mastered). It is the optimistic scenario and I think it's also the more likely scenario. The problem is Yshtola's idea only needs like 20% equity before it becomes optimal to lynch onto it since CSF is scum virtually 100% of the times her theory is true.

If he posts lynches without locking the thread then the idea will start to seem really silly imo

[Hectic]

VoteCount 2.1

RVS Award for

Someone Who Doesn't Have Flavour on Holiday

goes to...

oh no, I do not have the required flavour, I am sad

Egix [5]

- Cat Scratch Fever, Auro, Klick, woodchuck321, TrueSoulEnergy

woodchuck321 [1]

- Egix96

Not Voting [6]

- CheekyTeeky, popsofctown, Miss Lynch, Yshtola Rhul, Sujimichi, Chemist1422

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day will end when the timer hits zero:

(expired on 2020-03-04 17:42:53)

[Hectic]

VoteCount 3.0

RVS Award for

Very Very Dead

goes to...

Yshtola Rhul,

Town Mason

, who was killed Day 2.

It is now Day 3. Votes are reset. Deadline remains the same.

Not Voting [11]

- CheekyTeeky, TrueSoulEnergy, woodchuck321, popsofctown, Miss Lynch, Cat Scratch Fever, Klick, Auro, Egix96, Sujimichi, Chemist1422

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Day will end when the timer hits zero:

(expired on 2020-03-04 17:42:53)

[Chemist1422]

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

[CheekyTeeky]

Jfc I'm away for a day and my two buddies die

VOTE: Cat scratch fever

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok I think Auro, Egix, Chemist, TSE and maybe pops are town.

[popsofctown]

VOTE: Cat scratch fever

I still think Yshtola's theory is probably wrong, but I think this second kill was quite possibly motivated by the win/win of killing Y'shtola or generating a scumflip that distracted the conversation off of CSF.

That interpretation would still give her a remaining kill, and looking at CSF's posting patterns, she is likely to return in 3-4 hours. If we can flashwagon her very, very quickly here, we could lynch her before she can desperation shoot. As soon as she's aware of this level of pressure she's likely to keep more of an eye on the thread.

[popsofctown]

Ok I think maybe pops are town.

this is decidedly not town!Cheeky meta

[CheekyTeeky]

Lol yeah tunnel me again Pops let's see how this ends. Remember beavering away at me?

[Auro]

Oh God.