Open 773: Masons and Mafia: RVS Awards (GAME OVER)

[TrueSoulEnergy]

@TSE and Auro:

Convince me on CSF? They've given very little content that I've cared about so far. Is it all related to daykill stuff?
I'm willing to accept TSE town. I'm going to have to sit and think for a bit tonight about Auro. If Auro is Town I have a lot of trouble seeing Enter as town.

What major game did we play together?

I agree TSE is town, but blocking with him means we have to reach an agreement, which means we have to be able to communicate and I don't think that's happened successfully once this game?

CSF is likely town because of Cheeky and Chemist jumping on their wagon so quickly. This is based off the assumption that Chemist is scum, however.

Then accept Auro is Town here as well as Klick.

[Miss Lane]

Then accept Auro is Town here as well as Klick.

Why would I do that?

I resent the assumptions you have to take to make a statement like this:

1. That I've never seen Auro play before. I have. BoP 1 I caught him as scum. I was not town or scum in that game, so it was exclusively me observing him, with no chance for the opposite. We also played uPick Rapiers together as well as a few other games, iirc.
2. That it's impossible for me to read a player w/o playing a game with them before this. That's ridiculous.

[Miss Lane]

Unless you're making the assumption that because I think you're town I'm willing to sheep your reads.

That doesn't follow because I think your reads are probably around average, possibly a little below (although I will admit that the sample set may be skewed at least slightly against you). It's also kind of ridiculous to unironically ask a player that you are scum reading to sheep you.

[Sujimichi]

From my perspective, at least one Mafia member has to have been on Egix96's lynch. Unless you view that lynch as entirely accomplished by Town, I do not know why we are looking at the players outside of the wagon for today.

[Miss Lane]

I think before I'm willing to sheep you in any game, TSE, I have to 1. Be able to carry out a conversation with minimal disruption due to failure to understand each other and 2. See that you're willing to at the very least read the posts that I've pointed out are worth your time.

That said, I very very rarely sheep players at all, and I doubt that even after meeting those criteria you will be in the sort of bracket of players that I am willing to sheep.

[Miss Lane]

Egix96 [5] -

TrueSoulEnergy, Cat Scratch Fever,

Auro,

popsofctown,

Klick

Color coded based on my reads

[Sujimichi]

Miss Lynch, if you lynch me and I flip town, will you follow my desired lynch(es) in the following days?

Are you willing to sheep my lynch today and then lynch me tomorrow if it flips town?

Why did you say this when we potentially do not have a next phase?

[Miss Lane]

UNVOTE:

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Then accept Auro is Town here as well as Klick.

Why would I do that?

I resent the assumptions you have to take to make a statement like this:

1. That I've never seen Auro play before. I have. BoP 1 I caught him as scum. I was not town or scum in that game, so it was exclusively me observing him, with no chance for the opposite. We also played uPick Rapiers together as well as a few other games, iirc.
2. That it's impossible for me to read a player w/o playing a game with them before this. That's ridiculous.

His actions are Town Motivative.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Unless you're making the assumption that because I think you're town I'm willing to sheep your reads.

That doesn't follow because I think your reads are probably around average, possibly a little below (although I will admit that the sample set may be skewed at least slightly against you). It's also kind of ridiculous to unironically ask a player that you are scum reading to sheep you.

If it wasn’t for Auro I’d be voting you.
I trust in Auro enough to consider you to not be the lynch for today and instead Suji.

[Miss Lane]

If I cared where you were voting I'd do something to change it.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

From my perspective, at least one Mafia member has to have been on Egix96's lynch. Unless you view that lynch as entirely accomplished by Town, I do not know why we are looking at the players outside of the wagon for today.

Yeah.
It’s called Pops.

[Sujimichi]

Can you guys take a break from going at each other, critically analyse Sujimichi's ISO?

Pops Defence on Suji.
ML’s vote on a Mason with Suji.

Yeah I’m down to vote Suji but I would rather vote ML.

Why is placing a vote on a player who was later to be revealed to be a Mason an indicator of Mafia? Also, why is popsofctown reading me as town an indicator of me being Mafia aligned when you are not certain of her alignment?

[Auro]

Why did you say this when we potentially do not have a next phase?

It's 5T v 3S, right? So we have one mislynch to burn, assuming scum don't make a correct shot (and I don't think they'll take the risk)

[TrueSoulEnergy]

I think before I'm willing to sheep you in any game, TSE, I have to 1. Be able to carry out a conversation with minimal disruption due to failure to understand each other and 2. See that you're willing to at the very least read the posts that I've pointed out are worth your time.

That said, I very very rarely sheep players at all, and I doubt that even after meeting those criteria you will be in the sort of bracket of players that I am willing to sheep.

I PoE.
I may ignore stuff I don’t think will bring up any progression.

If your town.

The team is Chemist - Suji and Pops.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Egix96 [5] -

TrueSoulEnergy, Cat Scratch Fever,

Auro,

popsofctown,

Klick

Color coded based on my reads

Interesting.
So you also think Pop is scum correct?

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Can you guys take a break from going at each other, critically analyse Sujimichi's ISO?

Pops Defence on Suji.
ML’s vote on a Mason with Suji.

Yeah I’m down to vote Suji but I would rather vote ML.

Why is placing a vote on a player who was later to be revealed to be a Mason an indicator of Mafia? Also, why is popsofctown reading me as town an indicator of me being Mafia aligned when you are not certain of her alignment?

It’s an indicator they were pushing Town and then a shot went off on them.

[Sujimichi]

Why did you say this when we potentially do not have a next phase?

It's 5T v 3S, right? So we have one mislynch to burn, assuming scum don't make a correct shot (and I don't think they'll take the risk)

You are assuming that they have not already identified the last Mason and are waiting for an incorrect lynch today to follow up with an immediate shot and a win. We should be playing this day as if it is our last chance, not bargaining in hopes that your assumption is correct.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Why did you say this when we potentially do not have a next phase?

It's 5T v 3S, right? So we have one mislynch to burn, assuming scum don't make a correct shot (and I don't think they'll take the risk)

You are assuming that they have not already identified the last Mason and are waiting for an incorrect lynch today to follow up with an immediate shot and a win. We should be playing this day as if it is our last chance, not bargaining in hopes that your assumption is correct.

So scum.
Who do you think the mason is?

[Auro]

From my perspective, at least one Mafia member has to have been on Egix96's lynch. Unless you view that lynch as entirely accomplished by Town, I do not know why we are looking at the players outside of the wagon for today.

Fallacious reasoning, Sujimichi. Think about it.

[Sujimichi]

Can you guys take a break from going at each other, critically analyse Sujimichi's ISO?

Pops Defence on Suji.
ML’s vote on a Mason with Suji.

Yeah I’m down to vote Suji but I would rather vote ML.

Why is placing a vote on a player who was later to be revealed to be a Mason an indicator of Mafia? Also, why is popsofctown reading me as town an indicator of me being Mafia aligned when you are not certain of her alignment?

It’s an indicator they were pushing Town and then a shot went off on them.

Yes, that is factually what happened. Why is that an indicator of Mafia and not the read being incorrect? As I recall, I was not online when the "shot went off on them."

[Auro]

You are assuming that they have not already identified the last Mason and are waiting for an incorrect lynch today to follow up with an immediate shot and a win. We should be playing this day as if it is our last chance, not bargaining in hopes that your assumption is correct

I already am. My question was in the hypothetical that Miss Lynch got me lynched. I wanted to know her answer given that hypothetical.

[Miss Lane]

From my perspective, at least one Mafia member has to have been on Egix96's lynch. Unless you view that lynch as entirely accomplished by Town, I do not know why we are looking at the players outside of the wagon for today.

Fallacious reasoning, Sujimichi. Think about it.

It is not fallacious if you are simultaneously not on the wagon and have town role PM.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

Can you guys take a break from going at each other, critically analyse Sujimichi's ISO?

Pops Defence on Suji.
ML’s vote on a Mason with Suji.

Yeah I’m down to vote Suji but I would rather vote ML.

Why is placing a vote on a player who was later to be revealed to be a Mason an indicator of Mafia? Also, why is popsofctown reading me as town an indicator of me being Mafia aligned when you are not certain of her alignment?

It’s an indicator they were pushing Town and then a shot went off on them.

Yes, that is factually what happened. Why is that an indicator of Mafia and not the read being incorrect? As I recall, I was not online when the "shot went off on them."

Not but ML was the last to post and the shot went off an hour later.

The point of the fact is.
You were clearly not voting to lynch mafia.
Nor I don’t think you had any other scum Reads that caught your eye.

[TrueSoulEnergy]

From my perspective, at least one Mafia member has to have been on Egix96's lynch. Unless you view that lynch as entirely accomplished by Town, I do not know why we are looking at the players outside of the wagon for today.

Fallacious reasoning, Sujimichi. Think about it.

It is not fallacious if you are simultaneously not on the wagon and have town role PM.

Are you referring to yourself or Suji?