Open 773: Masons and Mafia: RVS Awards (GAME OVER)

Miss Lane · Post Post #1150 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:06 am

In post 1147, Miss Lane wrote:
In post 1144, Auro wrote:
In post 1128, Sujimichi wrote:From my perspective, at least one Mafia member has to have been on Egix96's lynch. Unless you view that lynch as entirely accomplished by Town, I do not know why we are looking at the players outside of the wagon for today.
Fallacious reasoning, Sujimichi. Think about it.
It is not fallacious if you are simultaneously not on the wagon and have town role PM.

Like if you believe that I'm town or Suji is town, there must be at least one scum on the wagon.

Auro · Post Post #1151 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:06 am

In post 1147, Miss Lane wrote:It is not fallacious if you are simultaneously not on the wagon and have town role PM

Neither have any bearing towards the validity of the argument itself.
"The sun rises in the east, therefore I'm town" -> I have a town role PM but that's still a fallacy.

Sujimichi · Post Post #1152 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:06 am

In post 1144, Auro wrote:
In post 1128, Sujimichi wrote:From my perspective, at least one Mafia member has to have been on Egix96's lynch. Unless you view that lynch as entirely accomplished by Town, I do not know why we are looking at the players outside of the wagon for today.
Fallacious reasoning, Sujimichi. Think about it.

Why is that fallacious reasoning? There were four players off of Egix96's lynch. Miss Lynch, Chemist1422, Egix96, and myself. Egix96 was revealed as a Vanilla Townie. I am aware that my alignment is with Town. That leaves Miss Lynch and Chemist1422, and there are three Mafia-aligned players remaining. That means that at least one Mafia-aligned player must be on Egix96's lynch from my perspective.

Also, if you are not me, and thus only know that Egix96 is Vanilla Townie, then you either assume that all Mafia-aligned players are in Miss Lynch, myself, and Chemist1422 or there is at least one Mafia-aligned player on Egix96's wagon. Given that Egix96's lynch has been the only lynch to go through in this game, it is where there is the most information, and so one should focus on the players on the wagon.

Miss Lane · Post Post #1153 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:07 am

In post 1151, Auro wrote:
In post 1147, Miss Lane wrote:It is not fallacious if you are simultaneously not on the wagon and have town role PM
Neither have any bearing towards the validity of the argument itself.
"The sun rises in the east, therefore I'm town" -> I have a town role PM but that's still a fallacy.

You don't understand what I'm saying.

It took 5 players to lynch Egix. There are 5 town in the game. (6 if you count Egix, but he wasn't on his own wagon). Therefore, if you are town and not on the wagon, there are a maximum of 4 town players on the wagon.

Sujimichi · Post Post #1154 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:08 am

In post 1148, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:Not but ML was the last to post and the shot went off an hour later.

The point of the fact is.
You were clearly not voting to lynch mafia.
Nor I don’t think you had any other scum Reads that caught your eye.

I do not believe you are accurately interpreting the game considering the speed at which the Mason kills have resolved and the lack of actual lynches.

TrueSoulEnergy · Post Post #1155 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:09 am

In post 1150, Miss Lane wrote:
In post 1147, Miss Lane wrote:
In post 1144, Auro wrote:
In post 1128, Sujimichi wrote:From my perspective, at least one Mafia member has to have been on Egix96's lynch. Unless you view that lynch as entirely accomplished by Town, I do not know why we are looking at the players outside of the wagon for today.
Fallacious reasoning, Sujimichi. Think about it.
It is not fallacious if you are simultaneously not on the wagon and have town role PM.
Like if you believe that I'm town or Suji is town, there must be at least one scum on the wagon.

Yeah Pops.

Sujimichi · Post Post #1156 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:09 am

In post 1151, Auro wrote:
In post 1147, Miss Lane wrote:It is not fallacious if you are simultaneously not on the wagon and have town role PM
Neither have any bearing towards the validity of the argument itself.
"The sun rises in the east, therefore I'm town" -> I have a town role PM but that's still a fallacy.

What does this mean?

Auro · Post Post #1157 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:09 am

@ML: I'm not saying that one scum is likely on the wagon is fallacious, but implying that you hunt in the wagon while not lynching outside is.

Sujimichi · Post Post #1158 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:10 am

In post 1155, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:Yeah Pops.

Then why are you not voting for popsofctown given your certainty?

Miss Lane · Post Post #1159 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:12 am

In post 1157, Auro wrote:@ML: I'm not saying that one scum is likely on the wagon is fallacious, but implying that you hunt in the wagon while not lynching outside is.

Why is that the case?

If you're going to do any sort of VCA, Sujimi's approach is the only logical one I can see from here.

TrueSoulEnergy · Post Post #1160 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:12 am

In post 1154, Sujimichi wrote:
In post 1148, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:Not but ML was the last to post and the shot went off an hour later.

The point of the fact is.
You were clearly not voting to lynch mafia.
Nor I don’t think you had any other scum Reads that caught your eye.
I do not believe you are accurately interpreting the game considering the speed at which the Mason kills have resolved and the lack of actual lynches.

Is this the scums plan now!?
LOL
Scared of me so they try and hope others ignore me.
Maybe you forgot.

I’m
Special
Like
Batman or Superman.

You can’t defeat me with such plays.
I take everything into consideration and use PoE to conclude who has the highest probability of being scum.
Auro stated that he had a scum read on Pops.

@Klick
@CSF

Listen to me and listen to me carefully.

Me, Auro and you two are Town.
Don’t think otherwise.

TrueSoulEnergy · Post Post #1161 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:13 am

Mafia’s just trying to get one of us to miss vote.
Let’s not let that happen.

Auro · Post Post #1162 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:13 am

Sure, it's likely there's one scum on the wagon (and I think it's Pops), but there's equal likelihood of scum outside the wagon as well; so "vote within the wagon" is incorrect.

This applies to the Egix wagon because it doesn't seem like a scum generated push; it was an entirely reasonable wagon. And that's strengthened by the fact that flipped Masons scumread him too.

Sujimichi · Post Post #1163 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:14 am

In post 1160, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:Is this the scums plan now!?
LOL
Scared of me so they try and hope others ignore me.
Maybe you forgot.

I’m
Special
Like
Batman or Superman.

You can’t defeat me with such plays.
I take everything into consideration and use PoE to conclude who has the highest probability of being scum.
Auro stated that he had a scum read on Pops.

@Klick
@CSF

Listen to me and listen to me carefully.

Me, Auro and you two are Town.
Don’t think otherwise.

I did not ask for you to be ignored. I think your use of the fact that someone was on a revealed Mason's wagon to read someone as Mafia is in error.

TrueSoulEnergy · Post Post #1164 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:14 am

In post 1157, Auro wrote:@ML: I'm not saying that one scum is likely on the wagon is fallacious, but implying that you hunt in the wagon while not lynching outside is.

More and More reason why Auro is Town.

The proof just keeps on coming.

@Mafia (3 out of Chemist, Pops, Suji, ML)
Maybe if you all defend each other you could have a chance.
LOL no, your all fucked.
I just want a laugh.

Sujimichi · Post Post #1165 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:16 am

In post 1162, Auro wrote:Sure, it's likely there's one scum on the wagon (and I think it's Pops), but there's equal likelihood of scum outside the wagon as well; so "vote within the wagon" is incorrect.

This applies to the Egix wagon because it doesn't seem like a scum generated push; it was an entirely reasonable wagon. And that's strengthened by the fact that flipped Masons scumread him too.

Why are you ignoring the actual argument for looking on the lynch?

TrueSoulEnergy · Post Post #1166 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:16 am

In post 1163, Sujimichi wrote:
In post 1160, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:Is this the scums plan now!?
LOL
Scared of me so they try and hope others ignore me.
Maybe you forgot.

I’m
Special
Like
Batman or Superman.

You can’t defeat me with such plays.
I take everything into consideration and use PoE to conclude who has the highest probability of being scum.
Auro stated that he had a scum read on Pops.

@Klick
@CSF

Listen to me and listen to me carefully.

Me, Auro and you two are Town.
Don’t think otherwise.
I did not ask for you to be ignored. I think your use of the fact that someone was on a revealed Mason's wagon to read someone as Mafia is in error.

Nope.
You never changed your opinion of vote after or before.
Die. scum.

If you were really Town voting mason it would actually be telling.

Sujimichi · Post Post #1167 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:17 am

Apologies. I have to leave for the day. I should be able to get online for a little while tomorrow.

TrueSoulEnergy · Post Post #1168 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:17 am

In post 1165, Sujimichi wrote:
In post 1162, Auro wrote:Sure, it's likely there's one scum on the wagon (and I think it's Pops), but there's equal likelihood of scum outside the wagon as well; so "vote within the wagon" is incorrect.

This applies to the Egix wagon because it doesn't seem like a scum generated push; it was an entirely reasonable wagon. And that's strengthened by the fact that flipped Masons scumread him too.
Why are you ignoring the actual argument for looking on the lynch?

Vote Pops then.
Or are you chicken?

Ba Cookck!

TrueSoulEnergy · Post Post #1169 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:17 am

Let’s play mess with the scum scums.
Such a fun game.

TrueSoulEnergy · Post Post #1170 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:18 am

In post 1167, Sujimichi wrote:Apologies. I have to leave for the day. I should be able to get online for a little while tomorrow.

Booooo!
You Suck!

Miss Lane · Post Post #1171 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:18 am

In post 1162, Auro wrote:Sure, it's likely there's one scum on the wagon (and I think it's Pops), but there's equal likelihood of scum outside the wagon as well; so "vote within the wagon" is incorrect.

Wrong. If you are town and not on the Egix wagon, there is a 100% likelihood that scum is on that wagon. The other two players off the wagon could be town, so there is a <100% chance of scum being on the wagon, therefore the likelihood of finding scum on the wagon > the likelihood of finding scum off the wagon numerically speaking.

This applies to the Egix wagon because it doesn't seem like a scum generated push; it was an entirely reasonable wagon. And that's strengthened by the fact that flipped Masons scumread him too.

This argument has no relation to whether or not there is scum on the wagon numerically speaking.

TrueSoulEnergy · Post Post #1172 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:19 am

In post 1168, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:
In post 1165, Sujimichi wrote:
In post 1162, Auro wrote:Sure, it's likely there's one scum on the wagon (and I think it's Pops), but there's equal likelihood of scum outside the wagon as well; so "vote within the wagon" is incorrect.

This applies to the Egix wagon because it doesn't seem like a scum generated push; it was an entirely reasonable wagon. And that's strengthened by the fact that flipped Masons scumread him too.
Why are you ignoring the actual argument for looking on the lynch?
Vote Pops then.
Or are you chicken?

Ba Cookck!

Remember this Suji :3.
Don’t forget when you come back online!

Miss Lane · Post Post #1173 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:20 am

I'd like to point out that the only argument made against me or Sujimi (as far as I can tell) has been an argument of BoP, and no one in this player list has played a significant amount of games with me, and from what I've seen, no one has played a significant amount of games w/ Sujimi, this seems a bit ridiculous FMPOV.

Auro · Post Post #1174 (ISO) » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:21 am

In post 1165, Sujimichi wrote:Why are you ignoring the actual argument for looking on the lynch?

There is no argument. As I said, one scum being on wagon doesn't imply you look on the lynch.

Miss Lynch, you misunderstand. Sure, scum can be on the wagon. The idea that you hence look "on the wagon" is problematic.

We townbloc and lynch the highest equity scum (this also insures against an incorrect townbloc).