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[popsofctown]

Not knowing head bugs me

[Amrun]

What was this based on?

Oh. It's really brazen for scum to call out a townie who may or may not be a newbie for a greeting tell, which could easily blow up in your face if they aren't a newbie, or even if they are but people think it looked opportunistic.

On the other hand, it's a reasonable way to distance and play dumb with a partner.

But I had previously stated, and re-iterated, that I don’t think the tell is reliable and should not be considered. It was basically a joke because I don’t think greeting tell is AI outside of literal newbie games.

I don't think i have strong feelings on the first part of 293 tbh, i agree i wouldn't try to drive a lynch off it? but as a cursory observation the way it was i don't think I'd find it particularly difficult to drop as scum regardless of Homura's alignment


uhh the only person who's meaningfully interacted with my content is Amrun agreeing with my hard Elmo townread and i just called her out on buddying Elmo so....

I appreciate the high value of me interacting with other slots but i think I'm the least boring slot itt by a decent margin atm and think people should be trying to engage meaningfully with me rather than vice versa

I want to dig into your stuff when I have a little more time, but you can accuse me of buddying Elmo all you want, I’m not going to change my read based on how you’re going to perceive me.

[Wooper]

Sure, that would be a bad move regardless of alignment. That comment was about the others more more so than you.

[Team STRQ]

I'm here

I'm queer

*slurpslurp*

I'm reading

-Tai

[popsofctown]

Taly it is hard for me to not watch that gif over and over and over again so I think it is unfair to me that you have posted it anyway

[Team STRQ]

taking a few thread wallshits

please think of peaceful happy things as you all read because the heat is going up



not a fan of the thread's narrative the past few pages

-Tai

[Team STRQ]

Spoiler: Elmo's Post 281

I like all the players in the hydra but I don't like hydras.

#1. This hydra I read as null as best. I told you all before I'm not a fan of hydra's and this one is almost neigh impossible for me to read.
Except I don't like them at all. Keeping it a secret for who are the heads is a bit rubs me the wrong way but even then I'm 99% sure I've played with no one in it. I believe the only person in this game I've played with is Amrun.

The hydra vote still just bothers me just for how its placed. I mean anyone can write a list at this point in time and just throw random reads out there.

I don't like Homura at all that vote just feels...Dirty that vote it is. There isn't much substance there at all. Which I don't understand since scum have a PT they can talk to in all times. There is so much in this game that's just not sitting right with me. On the side note of it I did misread and thought there were 2 scum. Whoops there are 3. So when I saw Whooper talking about scum having 33% of the votes I was a bit confused.

I've given up on the hydra on another note for now they are all over the place. Their posts are just going woosh over my head.

PEdit: If you are going to vote me I want a reason. That's all lists are just that. Lists they give some info but only helpful if someone flips and then you can look at the reads. If I wanted to divert attention I'm doing a pretty bad job aren't I unless I want all the attention on me which is never a style of my play.

Right now the second vote on my wagon looks pretty easy to just place along with the reasons. They have claimed there is a scum in myself, Implosion and Amrun. I mean just like your read list we can pair any 3 people right now and come up with something that has 33% odds of hitting scum.

OK, let's step back a few notches.

Spoiler: Dramatic kitty GIF

You keep making the assumption that all hydra heads must be in complete agreement to be functional, and you stating we're unreadable is a deflection from sorting us because there's little, if any, posts about you directly speaking to us - but a lot about us. 95 110 114 129 156 165 275 281

Each head has given some reads in this game, and we generally feel confident in

implosion

-town, and there's more people I'm interested in wagoning than him. If you read 271 that would've been clear... or you could have actually asked to clarify our stances more. Especially with

Summer's

readslist in 263

which begged approach.

You've given a lot of opportunity where you could've sorted us better but didn't.

It's easy for you to dismiss and discredit us when you're busy perpetuating the notion that we're not coherent.

This does not read as a town mindset. I haven't synced enough to all of

Summer's

rationale behind the vote, but I'm understanding some of her grievances with your posts.

-Tai

[Team STRQ]

Me reading

SS'

posts like

Spoiler: Me Giving S_S an 89 and not an A on an exam

iirc pops likes to interact with her scumbuddies a lot.

do you think it's particularly likely that the engagement with wooper would've gone the way it did if they were both scum?

I don't think anything in that convo is out of the question as S/S.

I don't see town pops yet. Doesn't mean I won't, but afaik scum-pops is defined as "lack of town-pops" so scumlean I guess?

Wooper doesn't seem to be caring about how he's perceived, which is towny.

What was this based on?

Oh. It's really brazen for scum to call out a townie who may or may not be a newbie for a greeting tell, which could easily blow up in your face if they aren't a newbie, or even if they are but people think it looked opportunistic.

On the other hand, it's a reasonable way to distance and play dumb with a partner.

S_S

, I really appreciate the willingness to work with our hydra, that's more than what I can say for multiple slots, even ones I'm leaning town for

implo/pops (kind of)/looker

But if you're going to say S/S is a possibility, then explain how and what defines

"town pops"

since you're more confident with

wooper

And I guess I can see the newbie tell as odd? I asked what the newbie tell is early in this hydra's ISO and nobody seemed to reply...

-Tai

[Team STRQ]

I don't think i have strong feelings on the first part of 293 tbh, i agree i wouldn't try to drive a lynch off it? but as a cursory observation the way it was i don't think I'd find it particularly difficult to drop as scum regardless of Homura's alignment


uhh the only person who's meaningfully interacted with my content is Amrun agreeing with my hard Elmo townread and i just called her out on buddying Elmo so....

I appreciate the high value of me interacting with other slots but i think I'm the least boring slot itt by a decent margin atm and think people should be trying to engage meaningfully with me rather than vice versa

OK, can you give me a bullet-point list on your individual reads on

Elmo/Amrun

? Separate ISO if you'd like.

Looker/SS

weren't mentioned much in your catchup post - and you didn't voice a memorable stance on either, could you revisit them?

so final guess
Raven - Enter
Tai - Taly
Summer - Krazy?
Qrow - Alyssa?

You are half correct here, if that means anything. I'm starting to not care, but I don't think it's my place to out which head is posting under what name because I think that's part of the excitement with some of them. But I will ask how if they all want to be outed for transparency-sake.

Can you try to sort this hydra out one head at a time?

-Tai

[Team STRQ]

Homura/Amrun nonzero s/s equity off like the scent of openers

Yes I agree, that's why I was careful to note that post was not S -> T.

Failing to note that burned me in G&R III when I saw a post that I correctly judged wasn't S -> T and I assumed it was T -> X when it was actually S -> S.

What was this based on?



VOTE: team strq

Their reads are too vague for my taste, given that comp and propensity for specificity/clear reasoning. Specifically dislike their treatment of my slot.

I literally had to ISO this hydra and Ctrl+F your name to give context to what you mean by "treatment" and I still don't understand what you're referencing.

62 99 112 118 121 134 263 267 280

Majority are questions and assertions that don't disregard your assessments.

You also fall into the trap similar to

Elmo

by discrediting the

ONLY voiced readslist so far in the game

by saying it's too vague when there's 0 reason to suspect our hydra is not receptive to questions/solving.

So here's my ultimate hangup that ties in my series of posts:

I find it really odd that both of you are quick to shut us down while

Elmo

voteparks on you

(I guess she is? She's not really casing why she wants you helled but her vote has been there since page 7 156

- and you're quick to justify a townread on

Elmo

to

wooper

who's echoed the SAME concerns of our hydra being a mist to read without approaching us. 189 196 215 218 234, and is structuring a read on both of you as SvT.

These exchanges don't read as genuine from you 3 upon looking as a group, and I want to parse your thought processes behind the reads.

-Tai

[popsofctown]

I think maybe it's elmo town strq scum game easy

pedit:three posts but sentiment mostly stands
pedit: ok the fourth post was kinda good taly are you good at scum?

[Team STRQ]

Taly it is hard for me to not watch that gif over and over and over again so I think it is unfair to me that you have posted it anyway

pops

, you have a lot of content to read through but you haven't stated a lot of memorable reads. You've been present, but I don't have a strong idea of your reads as a whole. Who are people you feel confident in being town?

Same question to

implosion

, he hasn't been as active as when the gamestate began at a tame start.

Looker/Homura

need to weigh in more because they've been mentioned more than they have contributed.

-Tai

p-edit

I don't know how good I am as scum, I've been told I am, I haven't played in several months so I think solely meta-reading me is an excuse to write off my current approaches and opinions.

[popsofctown]

I think Homura is town

#311 bullis poor lil drunkpops from like 3 angles T_T

[Team STRQ]

Namely, I've been told that meta-reading is reliable and unreliable by very different players who have each read my correctly and incorrectly, so I don't possess the self-awareness to objectively say.

How about you assert why

Elmo

-town and

STRQ

-scum is viable and articulate what points have been made to negate this.

Again, I don't think focusing scumreads should be the main fix in this setup and I don't understand the dichotomy of 1 scum being in one of 3 people as that can be said for anybody in a 9p game.

I'm voicing my pushes right now so people wouldn't unjustly ignore this hydra's posts.

-Tai

p-edit

I'm not meaning to be forceful, if you have to read the game again, then just get back to me.

And what is your thought on

Homura

-town? I can see the perspective behind it but there's not enough information from them to develop confidence, they're also one of the least active.

[Team STRQ]

Meh



I don't have as much time or mental energy to devote so much to mafia as I'd used to.

I just want everyone who I quoted to answer my questions and concerns, I'm not doing 4 different 1v1s.

-Tai

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I find it really odd that both of you are quick to shut us down while Elmo voteparks on you (I guess she is? She's not really casing why she wants you helled but her vote has been there since page 7 156

So next time to appease you I'll just randomly move my vote around? To follow my leads. There is a thing in this game called trust. I don't have a lot with people in this game with votes. Could be because I'm coming back to mafia. Could be because I'm not..
Either way. Why talk directly to you when I never know who I'm going to get from the hydra. Granted you sign your posts it it helps but I also just throw my hands up in the air with it. I've never been good dealing with them and I don't plan on starting now.
Sadly I believe you are town. Which is an issue in itself.

[popsofctown]

feel like if i don't have a hard read on 315 i am a failure. I feel like i can't decide with way to read 315. Please kill me

[Elmo TeH AzN]

feel like if i don't have a hard read on 315 i am a failure. I feel like i can't decide with way to read 315. Please kill me

Na can't do that. There's no fun in that. I mean it's possible to send you to heaven. But death for you Na. There are bigger fish to fry.

[Looker]

Looker always thinks I’m scum so like ... this seems on par for town looker actually.

To be fair, you typically are.

So if there's scum in one of the three who do you think it is. Amrun?

I think it's either you or Amrun.

Except for Elmo. I’ve been thinking about this and I think it’s just outside of Elmo’s scumrange to do this. He’s town.

How do you make the determination of someone else's scumrange?

Wooper is absolutely terrible. He's pretty much the worst

So snuggly

Looker/Homura

need to weigh in more because they've been mentioned more than they have contributed.

Then stop mentioning me, hyperposter.

---

• First of all, fair warning: I hate this. I hate the funky colors, the highlights, the not knowing who's saying what in the hydra. I don't think I've read a single post of popsofctown's. It's too difficult for me. And the hydra's all over the place - it's strictly VCA for me regarding that slot.
  
• @implosion: They're ongoing games, but you can just search my topics.
  
• @Wooper: It's a gamble.
  
• @pops: I take it back; I read post 166, and thank you.

If we're doing reads, I have SCUM {amrun / elmo | implosion | Something_Smart | Team STRQ} TOWN.

[implosion]

I think implo is the type to think about optics even as town. He's a very messed up person. He buys Apotheosis from the store.

Yeah i won't lie and say i wasn't thinking about optics a little when i called my wagon town >.>

i was kind of just over being voted which is dumb because being voted is what often gives me motivation to actually get off my ass etc.

Got distracted today and now kind of have to do work; if there's anything pressing that's occurred point it out bc i've skimmed most of it.

[Wooper]

OK, can you give me a bullet-point list on your individual reads on Elmo/Amrun? Separate ISO if you'd like.

I'm like quite busy and will not get to this in good time unless i have another frenzied low-sleep night. Could you please have another read of my Elmo towncase and lmk what you want in a bit more detail?

[Wooper]

SCUM {amrun / elmo | implosion | Something_Smart | Team STRQ} TOWN

Could you elaborate on literally any of this and particularly your comment about scum/s in {amrun, elmo, implosion}? if you have the time i also argued pretty loudly that Elmo is town and i think you're voteparking the highest town equity player in your bottom 3 reads

[Wooper]

key takeaways because i accidentally a wall:
- Elmo accepted and then turned around a buddy attempt from Amrun.
- Admin didn't acknowledge the same.
- Elmo's more noncomittal reads are more thread flow oriented and lack any opportunism.
- Elmo is playing to sort, not charismatically (potentially anti-charismatically)

I know walls are gross!! but like can someone who doesn't townread Elmo please fight me about this?

can someone else please give an updated implosion read?

can someone who is refusing to vote Amrun despite not explaining a townread on her explain their townread?

y'all are wading in this threads mega shitty snail pace gamestate. if you have a town role pm please give yourself a long hard look in the mirror then come back to the thread and help post something that advances the game rather than delicately fart on the thread

tyia

[Elmo TeH AzN]

You also fall into the trap similar to Elmo by discrediting the ONLY voiced readslist so far in the game by saying it's too vague when there's 0 reason to suspect our hydra is not receptive to questions/solving.

My WHOLE ISSUE IS ANYONE CAN WRITE A LIST.
I can put people in random order and look back on it like we'll I was wrong. It's the fact that in 90% of games I see a list they do nothing. For a 4 headed hydra. I figured you would know better then this.

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Where's S_S been btw.
Whooper I think you and Amrun are alone on thinking I'm town. The hydra is as clueless as this game. It's quite frustrating.

Implosion I have as a null scum read. Just not liking the posts lately.
Right now I wish people would put their vote where their mouth is, but I see we're not going to get that far.