Titus v. Alisae [dead & spec thread]

[Something_Smart]

Not for lack of trying, though.

[Chemist1422]

I repeat

excuse me

[Chemist1422]

I can't wait for TSE to show up and tell me how much I suck at mafia and how it was my fault I got mislynched and how I was scumsiding

Again

[Bitmap]

I got a hydra idea.

Me + Firebringer + OkaPoka + TSE

[the worst]

i can't wait to fight TSE

[Amrun]

Wtf yo how does a venge shot miss?

[the worst]

it hit a very broadly-worded bulletproof :#
there doesn't seem to be an explicit ruling on this under normalcy (given day abilities are non-normal, this isn't really surprising) so we went extremely literal

[Amrun]

Lmfao

[Amrun]

Was it scum?

[Something_Smart]

Wiki sample role PM says vengeful can "attempt to kill" a player. That's pretty clear.

[Amrun]

It’s so worth. I can taste the rage.

[Chemist1422]

i can't wait to fight TSE

I can

[the worst]

Was it scum?

Spoiler:

yeeeeah!

[Amrun]

Was it scum?

Spoiler:

yeeeeah!

Hahahhahahahahahhaahhaaa I wanna taste tears

[the worst]

i was getting myself ready to start writing up endgame tonight and then SS popped into my discord inbox like "so nobody dies..."

:'<

it is very fortunate one of us is smart

[Spiffeh]

The fact that he caught that was

something smart

[AaronFrost]

Dammit spiffeh you stole my joke I was gonna say that :<

[Spiffeh]

Yeah well you killed me N1 so we’re even

[AaronFrost]

Eh we've lost this anyways. I think we lost this D1 when Maki and Kaito were lynched. Then Bitmap getting lynched immediately after just killed any motivation I had left for this.

If they had stayed alive and Maki and Kaito had actually done stuff I'd have been a lot more enthusiastic about this. I also dont consider myself good at playing scum so I probably contributed to this loss in some way.

[the worst]

The fact that he caught that was

something smart

gottem


i also think the m/k lynch d1 really fucking set ali back. e had some fantastic ideas for long plays, d1 just really slipped away

[Spiffeh]

What were some of the ideas Ali had?

[Spiffeh]

I really think if M&K were more active they would have skated by Day 1 and the chain reaction lynches of Bitmap and Aaron wouldn't have happened as quickly, making scum in a MUCH better position than they are now. They were really more of a default lynch for me because their main counter wagon S&W was obvtown and they had nothing that made them look town which is enough for them to die on Day 1. There were a ton of obvtown players coming out of their lynch Day 1, and Bitmap and Aaron didn't look great with an M&K scum flip.

[AaronFrost]

One of the plans was to have Bitmap hood M&K and have a svs hood. Obviously couldn't happen with M&K getting lynched D1.

Can't say much else without spoiling the final scum.

PEDIT: 100% agree. Not trying to put the entire blame on them bc I know I didn't play great, but their inactivity kinda screwed us.

[Spiffeh]

Yeah that's definitely not to say that it is 100% their fault, because they can't really control how you guys interact with their slot lol

But it's just interesting to think that the game would probably be a lot different if they had been around more on Day 1

[the worst]

e had some pretty snazzy mechanical distancing plays between M&K and Bitmap, mostly - I'd rather not implicate the last scum *too* heavily here but they were very much a reliable/"can sit outside of random scum plans" pick. I feel either Bitmap or Aaron were very much intended to be the high endgame equity picks (given M&K, when playing at their best, are just holistically a really scary prospect). The last scum is a bit more of a wildcard wrt actual endgame equity, but they are competent and are a person I have a lot of respect for, so. :shrug: it works.

e very much lost the "powerscum" d1 here. the idea of scumming against a dunn/maria hydra is sincerely frightening. but most importantly, it's a player who always has a nonzero chance of being taken out by nightplay. that hydra generally makes a good investigative target; if either of maria/dunn hits lategame and are still null they're a pretty decent vig choice ftpov of being difficult to lynch + hard to get an emergency read on. i think you're pretty much on point with your call - losing the powerscum player before the {m&k,bitmap,aaron} anti-associative plays is what's swinging this game aggressively in town's favour.



pedit: i hope i said as much as i can without like explicitly spoiling the last scum