Open 773: Masons and Mafia: RVS Awards (GAME OVER)


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Post Post #1625 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:08 am

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Never trust a house. They'll always backstab you when you least expect it. That's how they got my great-grandpa, he never even saw the house sneaking up on him.
So, that's why I use Caravan Comfort Limited. Contact me if you'd like to purchase one, and I'll even give you a 4% discount. On the house.
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Post Post #1626 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:16 am

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I'm not sure right this second. The main reservation I have with lynching Suji atm is that I'm conscious of the fact that if it's wrong you are a) pretty likely scum and b) pretty likely to just get sheeped by TSE, who I'm pretty sure is town.
This would be a lot easier if I could feel confident in sorting you one way or another.
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Post Post #1627 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:16 am

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In post 1625, Hectic wrote:
Never trust a house. They'll always backstab you when you least expect it. That's how they got my great-grandpa, he never even saw the house sneaking up on him.
So, that's why I use Caravan Comfort Limited. Contact me if you'd like to purchase one, and I'll even give you a 4% discount. On the house.
Quoting for preservation lmao
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Post Post #1628 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:23 am

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Let's see, plug in my current assumptions:

- TSE town
- pops town
- One of Auro/Suji town

That leaves the final town in CSF/ML/Chem.

I think I'd prefer a lynch somewhere in that pile
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Post Post #1629 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:55 am

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In post 1628, Klick wrote:Let's see, plug in my current assumptions:

- TSE town
- pops town
- One of Auro/Suji town

That leaves the final town in CSF/ML/Chem.

I think I'd prefer a lynch somewhere in that pile
I would lynch ML.
But Auro keeps saying they are Town sooooo.
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Post Post #1630 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:01 am

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In post 1629, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:
In post 1628, Klick wrote:Let's see, plug in my current assumptions:

- TSE town
- pops town
- One of Auro/Suji town

That leaves the final town in CSF/ML/Chem.

I think I'd prefer a lynch somewhere in that pile
I would lynch ML.
But Auro keeps saying they are Town sooooo.
aren’t you tunneled on a solve of Suji/me/pops?
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Post Post #1631 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:14 am

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In post 1628, Klick wrote:Let's see, plug in my current assumptions:

- TSE town
- pops town
- One of Auro/Suji town

That leaves the final town in CSF/ML/Chem.

I think I'd prefer a lynch somewhere in that pile
I hate how little overlap this solve has with anything else this game.

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Post Post #1632 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:25 am

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It's not quite a solve, it's 2/3 scum with the last being in the Auro/Suji 1v1
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Post Post #1633 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:38 am

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In post 1628, Klick wrote:One of Auro/Suji town
Didn't you have Auro/ML as SvT before?
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Post Post #1634 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:43 am

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In post 1626, Klick wrote:I'm conscious of the fact that if it's wrong you are a) pretty likely scum
Why so?
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Post Post #1635 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:45 am

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I'm reconsidering that - it was originally based on your interactions around page 10ish where you were arguing and spamming up the thread, but your actions today are supporting each other well and I don't think SvS is outside the realm of possibility.

But you/Suji is SvS approximately 0% of the time.

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Post Post #1636 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:47 am

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I think you/Suji are town in exactly a ML/CSF/Chemist scumteam. Not impossible, but the odds favor you being scum there
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Post Post #1637 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:48 am

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Do you believe it's plausible that scum!Chemist claims Mason while town!Suji is getting pushed by many townslots?
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Post Post #1638 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:51 am

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In post 1635, Klick wrote:around page 10ish where you were arguing and spamming up the thread
I see you loosely followed White Flag - would you say "arguing and spamming" was not an element of my D1 play when I was pushing people based on their push on me?
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Post Post #1639 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:53 am

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In post 1622, Klick wrote:her interactions with the Suji slot don't really feel like SvS to me
Which interactions in particular? Please show me. Keep in mind that Sujimichi is a relatively new player (and was apparently coached to a good extent in her previous scumgame by Mastina), and the game has no daytalk.
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Post Post #1640 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:56 am

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Auro wrote:Do you believe it's plausible that scum!Chemist claims Mason while town!Suji is getting pushed by many townslots?
I don't see why not. How would tomorrow be projected to look for a ML/CSF/Chemist scumteam if Suji-town got lynched today? On paper that doesn't look great for them.
Alternatively, I think there's a chance Chemist wasn't engaged enough with the thread at the time he claimed Mason to have a sense of how much pressure was on Suji.

Do you think it's implausible?
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Post Post #1641 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:58 am

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In post 1638, Auro wrote:
In post 1635, Klick wrote:around page 10ish where you were arguing and spamming up the thread
I see you loosely followed White Flag - would you say "arguing and spamming" was not an element of my D1 play when I was pushing people based on their push on me?
I didn't pay a huge amount of attention to that specific game - I could go back and reread if you'd like but I'm not sure it'd help me sort you
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Post Post #1642 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:03 am

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It would look pretty awesome for a ML/CSF/Chemist scumteam.
If they're confident in Mason it's a win. If they're not, I will still be under heavy suspicion.
There's all reason to believe Pops will hard-push me and perhaps even vote me.

Why would scum!anyone claim unprompted? Clearly there must be some gamestate reason for it.
That there was significant pressure on Suji is pretty clear.
So Chemist must not only be dumb, he must also be ignorant of the game?
Does Chemist strike you as dumb?

Would you agree that claiming Masons if Suji was his partner, on the other hand, is not necessarily dumb play (it still kind of is) but more explainable?
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Post Post #1643 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:05 am

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In post 1641, Klick wrote:I didn't pay a huge amount of attention to that specific game - I could go back and reread if you'd like but I'm not sure it'd help me sort you
Yes, but it should stop you from repeating the "Auro argued hence must be SvT with ML" line of reasoning.
Once you acknowledge that's no more random % than my being TvT/SvS with ML at worst, I'll continue with the next part of my argument.
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Post Post #1644 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:07 am

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In post 1642, Auro wrote:Does Chemist strike you as dumb?
bold post to make given that you’re essentially calling me “dumb or scum” and have been since I claimed
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Post Post #1645 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:10 am

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I agree I've been calling you "dumb or scum", but with the implication that you're scum because I refuse to believe you're dumb.

If someone wants to show me that Chemist can be dumb regarding simple mechanics, feel free to back up that thought with any example from a previous game.
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Post Post #1646 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:13 am

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In post 1639, Auro wrote:
In post 1622, Klick wrote:her interactions with the Suji slot don't really feel like SvS to me
Which interactions in particular? Please show me. Keep in mind that Sujimichi is a relatively new player (and was apparently coached to a good extent in her previous scumgame by Mastina), and the game has no daytalk.
I'm mainly referring to pops' apparent idolization of Suji.
In post 520, popsofctown wrote:Redacting associations was a mini townslip.
Her readslist is resonant if I reconsider Yshtola which I potentially should, like I said.
Not much more to it. There's room for her to be scum. I don't know if Suji scum would want to pocket me or not. Sujimichi is a very special player.
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In post 596, popsofctown wrote:On that note, Alduskkel did something that made me want to UNVOTE: . Sorry Sujimichi
I don't think this comes from scum about a scumbuddy? There's a bit too much focus there, particularly in the last bit. I can't quite articulate why
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Post Post #1647 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:14 am

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In post 1385, popsofctown wrote:It has kind of been easy to tell that TSE is a mason for a while, Chemist
Do you have any thoughts to offer about this particular post, especially in the context of her latest posts, Klick?
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Post Post #1648 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:17 am

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In post 1646, Klick wrote:I don't think this comes from scum about a scumbuddy?
Encouragement?
I feel like she was avoiding placing any real read on Suji, and instead said NAI things.
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Post Post #1649 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:19 am

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In post 1642, Auro wrote:It would look pretty awesome for a ML/CSF/Chemist scumteam.
If they're confident in Mason it's a win. If they're not, I will still be under heavy suspicion.
There's all reason to believe Pops will hard-push me and perhaps even vote me.

Why would scum!anyone claim unprompted? Clearly there must be some gamestate reason for it.
That there was significant pressure on Suji is pretty clear.
So Chemist must not only be dumb, he must also be ignorant of the game?
Does Chemist strike you as dumb?

Would you agree that claiming Masons if Suji was his partner, on the other hand, is not necessarily dumb play (it still kind of is) but more explainable?
I don't think Chemist is dumb at all. But I think it's pretty obvious that regardless of his alignment he's not very engaged with this game at all. I've basically come up null on his Mason claim because I could see him doing it as either alignment if he had just been skimming and seeing that he had a decent amount of pressure on him.

If Suji is scum, Chemist is probably scum yeah. I don't dispute that.
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