Open 774 || Purgatory — Game Over

[Dannflor]

VC 1.6.HELL

This Heart's On Fire

[3] Amrun : Wooper, implosion, Looker [2] Wooper : popsofctown, Team STRQ [2] Team STRQ : Amrun, Elmo Teh AzN [1] Looker : Ame [1] Not Voting : Something_Smart With 9 in limbo, it takes 5 votes to judge. The Hell Phase I deadline is in : (expired on 2020-03-05 16:59:39) Mod Notes : ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀     ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀                             ⠀

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[Something_Smart]

yours

how does that make you feel?

Firstly, glad that you weren't talking about implosion.

Secondly, mildly surprised? I thought I did shenanigans like that in PYP and AvP.

[Something_Smart]

Jesus Dann all those empty pedits made me think my phone was shitting the bed

[Something_Smart]

Why is Amrun a wagon here

I am confuse

[Something_Smart]

Even worse, why is Amrun

the

wagon?

[Looker]

Because no one wants to help me lynch Elmo. Would you be interested?

[Looker]

I can't do this anymore.

Vote: Team STRQ

At this point No.

@MOD: Elmo is voting Team STRQ

[Dannflor]

Fixed.

[Something_Smart]

Because no one wants to help me lynch Elmo. Would you be interested?

You see a scum agenda from Elmo? Where?

[Wooper]

yours

how does that make you feel?

Firstly, glad that you weren't talking about implosion.

Secondly, mildly surprised? I thought I did shenanigans like that in PYP and AvP.

to be fair I'm not sure whether I'm uncomfortable with you or whether I'm subtly biasing town!pops and basically just lowkey agree and I'm not sure I'm ready to parse that yet

Ironically I feel like there might be one scum in {you,pops} but that has a lot of "no youuuuu" about it and is very much a cursory feeling

[Wooper]

Even worse, why is Amrun

the

wagon?

she's like kinda wolfy

[Something_Smart]

Ironically I feel like there might be one scum in {you,pops} but that has a lot of "no youuuuu" about it and is very much a cursory feeling

I have no issue with being OMGUS'd as long as you back it up with reasoning. Why do you think that?

[Something_Smart]

she's like kinda wolfy

Go on...

[Wooper]

am I being lazy? like I probably owe Amrun iso another read now I'm not manic and slept a bit better but I don't remember thinking anything she's done is towny and kinda found her early game a bit sketchy, really liked Elmo's vote on her (allow that says more for Elmo than Amrun) and didn't really vibe the way she hasn't like.. posted anything towny for a fair while

her reactions to my initial callout felt very much like "duly noted; moving on..." which I don't hate but she hasn't been moving on?

what's your take on amrun?

[Wooper]

Ironically I feel like there might be one scum in {you,pops} but that has a lot of "no youuuuu" about it and is very much a cursory feeling

I have no issue with being OMGUS'd as long as you back it up with reasoning. Why do you think that?

Exactly what I said. My stomach is funny about your post and I still don't know whether I dislike that it came from you, or dislike that it jars with a read I'm kind of biasing. like if I had to reflexively vig one of you, last night I would've reflexively vigged you. Right now I have no idea which way I'd go.

I'm excited for where this conversation is going ftr.

[Team STRQ]

I'm very skeptical that hyper defensiveness in general would be a trait associated strongly w/ scum!duck. Maybe in the context of this game but still skeptical.

specifically against this slot? it's very possible for scum!duck

he's rolled scum against a hydra with a very similar composition (only Raven missing and replaced with another slot) and we obvtowned super hard immediately and were a pretty strong long term threat, if he came into the game and saw only a narrow window to work with as scum, us suddenly obvtowning and becoming an obvious heaven target is a huge threat for him.

-Summer

to be a little more explicit...... you guys not having underdevelopped reads and a godawful hydra dynamic is a tremendous boon to town regardless of your alignment and ya if you're town I think you have the capacity to o obvtown enough to be heaven1'd.

I also mostly non seriously floated policy heaven1ing you to see whether that was an adequate call to action.

I've also tried repeatedly pointing out that your reads are cripplingly underdeveloped to see whether that was an adequate call to action.

I've also refused your request to force an engagement with your slot abs effectively asked you to have a nuanced read on me to see whether that was an adequate call to action.

It's almost like every engagement I've had with your slot was an endeavour to push buttons and get AI content out of you, and now you're shading me for being SCUM!DUCK!!!! Despite like e.g. Undertale, a game where I scummed with a near identical hydra, involving a d1 where I avoided intimidate contact at all costs because you're absolutely frightening to have s=>t interactions against.

You're describing
literally
the opposite
of my scum m.o.
and then calling my stances disingenuous

like of course my stances are dramafied and polarising but they are that way to drag content out of you and force you to actually try and read alignments rather than just each randomly asking seemingly unrelated questions and then, what

Taly asks me for stuff I've just explained in great fucking detail, is too busy irl to react to me calling that out or develop his reads but reappears to explain this within like 7 seconds

Enter has been spamming non game related cute stuff since I replaced in - this really only makes sense fmpov if he's going for a cute pocket and scared to post AI content

You refuse to engage with anything already itt including huge bombs of directly game related content from my slot since rep-in but have an expectation I'm going to go EVEN FURTHER to start engagements with your slot; when called out rather than try to read me at any deeper level or start an actual engaging conversation you start asking me entrapping questions then go "smh it's scumduck" because I've abandoned charisma to try and make you vomit up content and because I've put more effort into solving the game and trying to get people in general to pay attention to what is going on rather than spending time forcing engagement despite already knowing that my scum modus operandi here is to either avoid interactions with y'all for as long as possible or hard pocket you until I can remove you from the main thread?

like nothing you're doing this game looks town motivated at all ank.

THIS explains it better

alright

one thing I will note right here is that I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to what exactly you or mostly any slot has been saying, I've been skimming a lot of the larger posts since you replaced in. I have been specifically looking for signs that the scumteam are making a power play, namely by trying to brute force a target for heaven 1 early, or for trying to brute force a stronger player into being helled immediately. Your point about scumreading Homura and Amrun, and the way you switched from the former to the latter all of a sudden was what caught my eye the most, along with that engagement with pops. At first I thought the way she was positioning around the edge of the engagement and pushing you towards Amrun instead of Homura looked worse, but I changed my mind when I relooked and decided that the way she immediately voted you when you bit down on the bait indicated it was a planned reaction test to sort you further. It's still possible that pops did that to try to position herself around where you ended up at by the end of it, but the more likely version is that it's just TvS from her end.

re: engagements -> I don't remember a whole lot about our past TvS interactions, but I remember you mostly being distant and trying to look charming from the two examples I can remember offhand; I don't remember you struggling to interact with me specifically, it was more you felt like you were trying to hold me at arm's length which is a similar type of feeling I got from you this game. I can kinda see now that you point it out that you tried to do a similar thing that I did, but all the same you have to be aware of how I get into games.

I replace into most of my games for a reason. I don't just engage into a game immediately unless it's the type of game where I have immediate expectations of what I'm looking for from the very early game or I'm playing in a playerlist filled with players I already know very well. This playerlist doesn't have a whole lot of that; I've barely played with Amrun in nearly a full fucking decade and I've never once played with her as scum, I historically can't read Something_Smart very well, I only have a single game's experience with town!implosion and scum!implosion each, I've only seen Looker once as town, I historically can't read popsofctown (her being THE read I got wrong that prevented my reads from being nearly perfect in AvP mind you), and everybody else in the original playerlist outside of my own hydra being players I've never played with before.

I

don't

have a good basis to work with in order to get into the game, so I have to rely on waiting for something to stand out to me... which never happened thanks to the very slow pace, or I can rely on trying to figure out what scum will have to do in a setup like this to get a win and play around getting people to play along that track so that I can start getting confident reads.

regarding hydra dynamics... most of them are behind the scenes, and we never really figured out how we were going to handle it anyways since our overall dynamics are different than they were in undertale.

Tai has less time for mafia than he used to, so he's not entirely able to be our primary voice while the rest of us mostly support; he's doing the same as there by trying to rally us all together behind the scenes, but that only does so much when his time is more limited.
Raven... I'm not actually sure, best guess I have is that he is worrying about disrupting our overall dynamic with causing too much chaos since we can't properly balance it out between the other three of us; he's been self-conscious in the discord since we formed the hydra in the first place so this is the most likely answer I think
Qrow has been keeping up with the thread and has been giving out reads in the discord, but they mostly haven't been posted because Tai and I are going on our own tracks mostly
I've been looking for a way into the game and honestly I was planning on being mostly a support myself, similarly to Undertale.

our problem is that we relied a lot on Tai in Undertale to get our voices out while the rest of us mostly talked to get specific things we needed (or in Akarin's case, a bunch of background work and solving in the private PT). This time around, we don't really have that in the same level so suddenly I'm having to pull more of the weight in getting our voice out there when I wasn't originally planning to in the first place.

this dynamic doesn't fit together as easily in our current state that Team RWBY did. it's going to take time before we figure out how we want to run this hydra and the dissonance between how we're functioning now and how we should is predominantly because of that.

-Summer

[Team STRQ]

UNVOTE: Wooper

I'll let Tai have the vote for a bit, or Qrow if he decides he wants to use it

-Summer

[Team STRQ]

VOTE: pops

If Tai wants it he can move but this is my pref

-Q

[Looker]

Pick as many as you want {You can make out agendas this early? / Very polished response. / I'll take that as a no.}

[Team STRQ]

hi welcome to me I look for motivations

-Summer

[Looker]

Amrun, Something_Smart, Wooper

[Something_Smart]

Pick as many as you want {You can make out agendas this early? / Very polished response. / I'll take that as a no.}

{Usually I can at least place people on a scale of how agenda-driven they look, and Elmo looks pretty non-agenda-driven to me. It looks like she's just saying whatever she happens to think at the time which is highly correlated with being town. / Thanks. / Correct. I'm not worried about Elmo at the moment, and I'd much rather sort out this pops/wooper/STRQ/S_S mess that's starting to spring up.}

[Something_Smart]

Exactly what I said. My stomach is funny about your post and I still don't know whether I dislike that it came from you, or dislike that it jars with a read I'm kind of biasing. like if I had to reflexively vig one of you, last night I would've reflexively vigged you. Right now I have no idea which way I'd go.

You said basically nothing besides "gut" though. I should hope that you can at least pinpoint what your gut thinks scum-me is trying to accomplish there that town-me would not be?

[Something_Smart]

what's your take on amrun?

She seems to be pretty much playing in an ideal town way so far? Commenting, questioning, providing reads with reasons, not trying to control the game or provoke people, and encouraging cooperation.

Obviously scum are capable of playing that way, but I don't really see how she's scummy.

[Something_Smart]

For the record, at the very least something wooper (and others) can note after the game, to the best of my knowledge I exited my scumrange earlier today. I think around 436.