Mini Normal 2118: Boon Gets Pretentious - [Day 4]

[Hectic]

UNVOTE: Doro

[AaronFrost]

Nah. I'm leaning you right now, but I need to mull over everything and reread before I decide.

[Hectic]

Oh fuck me

Oh, this confirms Aaron

VOTE: Doro

Please end this game

[Hectic]

Insomia said if anyone called his reads baseless he’d essentially lose his shit. I did that and nothing. So I voted him to try and like the bear some more. And still nothing.

This is scum trying to keep their cool. Insomnia doesn’t strike me as a guy who keeps his cool.

So am I correct in assuming you think the team is Ame/insomnia?

I don’t do associations. I have a list of 3 people who I scum read

I know you aren't doing it consciously but this is just unnecessary banter that I've dealt with in the past. Wasn't trying to put it on you, not my intention, I was explaining why I'm not snapping at you, of course you wouldn't know. I'm just on really thin fucking ice and this is the reason I took a break, because of my toxicity so I'd appreciate if you just stopped trying to poke a creature that will wreak havoc. I can endure stuff but like don't push it too much either.

This + insomnia's tone in general is pretty townie

@Wimpy

so they're independent reads, gotcha, thanks

Wimpy was also really against insomnia, that was also a stupid lynch

[/v]Aaron[/v]

Voting you here if he's town is a guaranteed loss. Because if I'm scum, I hammer you. If you're scum, you hammer him because I was voting him

This is literally a scumclaim

[dsjstr]

Wait Aaron!!!

[AaronFrost]

I'm not trying to make any hasty decisions. I'll reread and possibly make up my mind tonight.

[dsjstr]

Ugh, LyLos are the worst. I don't think I've ever won one. You've done a fantastic job of making me thing you're scum, Doro. I've gone from 80/20 to basically 50/50. I know that looks fencesitty but that's genuinely where I'm at right now.

Lul, I was here for that Doro

Look at the time difference between Hectics last post before when he claimed that he saw I placed a vote on you, why would he happen to be in chat?
To quick hammer as scum, he claimed that he refreshed the page but why had he not left a message before hand?

[dsjstr]

Also, my family is practically pulling me out the door to go to diner so I won't be active for a few.

[Hectic]

Ugh, LyLos are the worst. I don't think I've ever won one. You've done a fantastic job of making me thing you're scum, Doro. I've gone from 80/20 to basically 50/50. I know that looks fencesitty but that's genuinely where I'm at right now.

Lul, I was here for that Doro

Look at the time difference between Hectics last post before when he claimed that he saw I placed a vote on you, why would he happen to be in chat?
To quick hammer as scum, he claimed that he refreshed the page but why had he not left a message before hand?

Like I said, I was helping a friend with some work, and looked through the games I'm playing, including this one. This one was already open in a tab, so I hit refresh and saw the vote. THis is such a pointless and stupid thing for me to lie about as scum, please don't overthink this based on this reasoning, AaronFF

Like, why is Doro only using this reasoning now and wasn't considering it when he voted you a few minutes ago?

[Hectic]

Insomia said if anyone called his reads baseless he’d essentially lose his shit. I did that and nothing. So I voted him to try and like the bear some more. And still nothing.

This is scum trying to keep their cool. Insomnia doesn’t strike me as a guy who keeps his cool.

So am I correct in assuming you think the team is Ame/insomnia?

I don’t do associations. I have a list of 3 people who I scum read

I know you aren't doing it consciously but this is just unnecessary banter that I've dealt with in the past. Wasn't trying to put it on you, not my intention, I was explaining why I'm not snapping at you, of course you wouldn't know. I'm just on really thin fucking ice and this is the reason I took a break, because of my toxicity so I'd appreciate if you just stopped trying to poke a creature that will wreak havoc. I can endure stuff but like don't push it too much either.

This + insomnia's tone in general is pretty townie

@Wimpy

so they're independent reads, gotcha, thanks

Wimpy was also really against insomnia, that was also a stupid lynch

[/v]Aaron[/v]

Voting you here if he's town is a guaranteed loss. Because if I'm scum, I hammer you. If you're scum, you hammer him because I was voting him

This is literally a scumclaim

This is the main thing. From a town PoV, if two people including yourself are simultaneously voted, then you are guaranteed to lose because either other player has someone to hammer and win as scum.

Doro failed to realise this and made the vote anyway because he's scum. This is so obviously scum, AaronFFFF

[AaronFrost]

HecticMFFFFFFHectic I love you man but chill out.

Here's what I need, you've each done a good enough job scumcasing each other, but neither of you have towncasee yourself. So, hit me with your best self towncase.

[Hectic]

VOTE: hectic

Lul, there it is. You've earnt this victory if you're scum, AaronFF, but I doubt it at this point

VOTE: Doro

I think Doro's frustration is actually genuine right now but stems from how I went from townreading him start of day to thinking he's now scum.

Are you voting me because I have started to sus you?

If it's aaron we can still figure this out since hes gone lol

I calmed down and am reading back through the game

The Ame lynch was actually really stupid, insomnia was going after them fairly hard

He voted me and then immediately regretted it when I instantly voted him. I think he was trying to make me panic and ask him to unvote like how I was asking to not vote me after declaring intent, but it didn't work this time. So he backpedals and tries to get out of the 1v1.
This is not a natural town thought process.

[Hectic]

HecticMFFFFFFHectic I love you man but chill out.

Here's what I need, you've each done a good enough job scumcasing each other, but neither of you have towncasee yourself. So, hit me with your best self towncase.

Sorry, I'm just frustrated you haven't hammered yet after that scumclaim lol

I've never done a towncase before. What do you mean? Like explain previous actions and why I did them?

[Hectic]

*self-towncase

[AaronFrost]

I dont have a great track record with lylos as town. In face the last LyLo I was in as town also had Hectic in it lol.

Hectic if I was 100% confident it was dsj I'd vote him right now but I'm not and there's a chance I'm wrong on you. That's why I want you each to town case yourselves.

PEDIT: Yeah basically, I want to see how your approach to this game comes from a town perspective > a scum perspective.

[Hectic]

Their post is so inoffensive and nice, it feels like they’re trying to get on people’s good sides.

psh you think you know me dawg?

Spoiler:

I am

not

mafia.

I

am not mafia.
I

am

not mafia.
I am not

mafia

.

I

am

not

mafia.

I really wanted to play with Creative too

Well damn you must be telling the truth. After all, no one would ever lie about not being mafia in a game of mafia. That'd be silly...

VOTE: Ame

Was this a RVS, Aaron, or did you get some

bad feels

like Luca did?

Asked about this because it felt late for a RVS vote, which is what it looked like, and there was other content out at the time which could be seriously voted for.

Leaning Town
insomnia - Somni is currently my town axiom, essentially playing the game on the assumption they are town. they remain this way until/unless the game becomes inconsistent with this assumption. Also my initial impression of their interaction with you is someone trying to scum hunt with scare resources

Vote: Insomnia

Ame, how did you go from that (which actually sounded more like a strong townread over a "leaning town" read - to voting for him? I can't see if you've explained anywhere.

This raised alarm bells at the time. Ame had Somni as town and described him as her "town axiom", but then voted him as soon as someone brought up a negative point about him. It felt opportunistic. She later cleared up the "town axiom" thing and provided reasoning of her own though.

So to better answer your question. No I don’t think she lied. I think she actually thought that was an acceptable strategy and it’s not.

I don’t care if she didn’t realize it was Sunday. Even if it had been Monday, that’s when I would have just been getting back.

It’s a low life despicable reason to vote for somebody and to me that means she’s scum or a low life despicable player who thinks that it’s ok to vote somebody who’s v/la.

Either way. I don’t give a damn. I am unable to look past it. I definitely will never be able to town read this slot so the best thing to do is to get rid of her. She’s shown poor judgement and is incapable of helping town win.

Okay, but do you think 211 comes from scum? It explains her thought process really well there. And do you have any other scumreads?

Played with Wimpo enough that he's got a short fuse, but I wasn't gonna believe his tunnel was genuine at face value. Questioning him about other stuff Ame has done which is towny and asking him if that changes his read on her was the best way to approach this to see if it was genuine or forced.

Nothing happened to my Ame read, but I got pinged by Clidd for the reasons mentioned. I’ve been in two game with him, he was scum in both and did the same thing - posted a couple of times then replaced out, while remaining active onsite. I can conclude from this that he simply hates playing as scum, and my vote will remain on this slot until he starts contributing.

Clidd, why is Luca locktown because he said this? Why can't he say this as scum?

I think this is where I initially started scumreading Clidd. He was locktowning people too easily, and I found it really weird he would locktown Luca simply because Luca thought he was town based on meta. I didn't like how clidd wasn't considering that scum!Luca could be trying to pocket him.

I'm considering the scenario where there are 3 scums, because of what I've read so far.

3 scum is imbalanced for town for a 9 player game. Even 11 player games usually have 2 scum. Are you saying 3 scum because too many people were acting scummy in your eyes?

I was absolutely certain while asking this that there's no way there were 3 scum in a 9 player game, so this was either a townslip if genuine, or clidd faking ignorance as scum. I questioned this to get a better feeling as to which it was. I don't remember how I felt after he answered, so I think I didn't get a strong feeling one way or another after this exchange.

Are y'all just like coldhearted mafia consumers? To me, mafia is a social game, and I enjoy making friends in the process.

How were my RQS answers?

Ame, do you mind addressing 297?

Poking Ame. I wanted reasoning for her RQS questions, because if she was asking them without a clear goal in mind of what she'd get alignment-related from them, that'd be scummy. Also, she didn't answer my question about Somni, so I reminded her.


That's all I'm doing for now. I'll have some time tomorrow if you still haven't made your mind up, but I'm calling it a night.

[dsjstr]

Ugh, LyLos are the worst. I don't think I've ever won one. You've done a fantastic job of making me thing you're scum, Doro. I've gone from 80/20 to basically 50/50. I know that looks fencesitty but that's genuinely where I'm at right now.

Lul, I was here for that Doro

Look at the time difference between Hectics last post before when he claimed that he saw I placed a vote on you, why would he happen to be in chat?
To quick hammer as scum, he claimed that he refreshed the page but why had he not left a message before hand?

Like I said, I was helping a friend with some work, and looked through the games I'm playing, including this one. This one was already open in a tab, so I hit refresh and saw the vote. THis is such a pointless and stupid thing for me to lie about as scum, please don't overthink this based on this reasoning, AaronFF

Like, why is Doro only using this reasoning now and wasn't considering it when he voted you a few minutes ago?

Why were you only observing the game and not actually playing?

[dsjstr]

Why did you say that I was throwing by thinking it was you and yet placed a vote on me?

[dsjstr]

and yet you placed a vote on me?

If I was throwing that would mean that it was Aaron so why then try to go after me?

That was why I questioned if you were only voting me because I had went for you

[dsjstr]

Insomia said if anyone called his reads baseless he’d essentially lose his shit. I did that and nothing. So I voted him to try and like the bear some more. And still nothing.

This is scum trying to keep their cool. Insomnia doesn’t strike me as a guy who keeps his cool.

So am I correct in assuming you think the team is Ame/insomnia?

I don’t do associations. I have a list of 3 people who I scum read

I know you aren't doing it consciously but this is just unnecessary banter that I've dealt with in the past. Wasn't trying to put it on you, not my intention, I was explaining why I'm not snapping at you, of course you wouldn't know. I'm just on really thin fucking ice and this is the reason I took a break, because of my toxicity so I'd appreciate if you just stopped trying to poke a creature that will wreak havoc. I can endure stuff but like don't push it too much either.

This + insomnia's tone in general is pretty townie

@Wimpy

so they're independent reads, gotcha, thanks

Wimpy was also really against insomnia, that was also a stupid lynch

[/v]Aaron[/v]

Voting you here if he's town is a guaranteed loss. Because if I'm scum, I hammer you. If you're scum, you hammer him because I was voting him

This is literally a scumclaim

This is the main thing. From a town PoV, if two people including yourself are simultaneously voted, then you are guaranteed to lose because either other player has someone to hammer and win as scum.

Doro failed to realise this and made the vote anyway because he's scum. This is so obviously scum, AaronFFFF

What is your argument here?

You also did not disagree to it, you just chose to ignore it... is that why you were only observing the game?

You were hoping I would actually place a vote on aaron and you could quick hammer, that is why you were here and refreshing the page.

If I thought you were not around you would have thought that I was going to actually go through with it and place the vote on aaron

[dsjstr]

I dont have a great track record with lylos as town. In face the last LyLo I was in as town also had Hectic in it lol.

Hectic if I was 100% confident it was dsj I'd vote him right now but I'm not and there's a chance I'm wrong on you. That's why I want you each to town case yourselves.

PEDIT: Yeah basically, I want to see how your approach to this game comes from a town perspective > a scum perspective.

The reason why Ame got lynched was because of the doubt that we had about whether we were both town.

Even after I had created the wagon to get them lynched Ame ended up thinking I was town.

Clearly everyone else thought the same thing and I know Hectic said that he thought that

@Hectic do you still want to trust Ame's read, you sounded fairly sure that I was town because of that

[dsjstr]

Why did you end up wanting to vote for me?

I don't think you actually talked us through your thought process

But if I recall correctly it was around the time when I brought up suspicions about you, and Aaron still thought it was me

Also, at the start of the day when I said I just wanted to vote for Aaron why did you say that you were just over thinking it

Insomnia used that same line when he had talked about why you were sus, but he changed his mind and said he was probably just over thinking things, and he never started a wagon on you

[dsjstr]

Why did you end up wanting to vote for me?

I don't think you actually talked us through your thought process

But if I recall correctly it was around the time when I brought up suspicions about you, and Aaron still thought it was me

Also, at the start of the day when I said I just wanted to vote for Aaron why did you say that you were just over thinking it

Insomnia used that same line when he had talked about why you were sus, but he changed his mind and said he was probably just over thinking things, and he never started a wagon on you

[dsjstr]

VOTE: Hectic

[Hectic]

Clearly everyone else thought the same thing and I know Hectic said that he thought that

@Hectic do you still want to trust Ame's read, you sounded fairly sure that I was town because of that

Not everyone thought you were town. Clidd and Aaron didn't yesterday.
By throwing I meant you kinda threw away a scum win because you made me flip my townread on you with how you've been acting today.

Also, for someone who was earlier scumreading me for leading questions, you sure do love asking them yourself. I know you're scum lol, why ask me about whether I "trust Ame's read"?