Open 774 || Purgatory — Game Over

[Something_Smart]

I probably should have said this before, but I was seeing TvT archetypes coming from the Ank/wooper argument. Obviously this is an extremely holistic impression, I wouldn't even call it a read, but I can follow the trajectory of that conflict very easily if it's TvT. This was before this page, and the posts on this page have reinforced it somewhat. This is one reason I'm more interested in pops today.

[Amrun]

I can't do this anymore.

Vote: Team STRQ

At this point No.

Is this a policy vote, or do you think the hydra is scum?

[Amrun]

Case in point:

I've just dropped another bunch of reads you're welcome to engage with.

Wooper said this and you told him to cut the bullshit... like, sure if you feel that way, but you're BOTH just talking past each other.

So what do you think this says about their alignments?

[Amrun]

am I being lazy? like I probably owe Amrun iso another read now I'm not manic and slept a bit better but I don't remember thinking anything she's done is towny and kinda found her early game a bit sketchy, really liked Elmo's vote on her (allow that says more for Elmo than Amrun) and didn't really vibe the way she hasn't like.. posted anything towny for a fair while

her reactions to my initial callout felt very much like "duly noted; moving on..." which I don't hate but she hasn't been moving on?

what's your take on amrun?

This is the problem I have with what you’re trying to push, Wooper.

I AGREE that Elmo scum did not have good motivation to go against my congeniality. This is a good case for Elmo town.

It is not a good case for Amrun scum, which you admit above, and are pushing anyway. You have failed to show why what I did was buddying, and why would I do this as scum as opposed to picking apart Elmo’s playstyle for a mislynch which is fairly easy to do?

And you never addressed my previous post about Homura, to my knowledge.

So I do find you hard to engage on this. I think you’re trying to wrestle control of the gamestate but not looking to sort me properly, which is more likely to come from scum.

[Amrun]

@S_S: who do you think has the best handle on your meta, of this player list?

[popsofctown]

I don't think mafia is at all fun in most games outside of a hydra

-Summer

I don't think mafia is at all fun except when I'm interacting with non-hydras, seems like an impasse.

Many factors are converging to make me believe there is at least one scum in {pops, wooper}. One such reason is that it's taken this long for someone to FoS me for being noncommittal, meaning scum haven't wanted to do it for some reason.

There are many possible reasons but the easiest one is that they (or at least some of them) know me too well to be able to get away with that.

This is some wow-signal moonlogic here. You feel certain that scum!pops knows where she should calibrate her tolerance for votelessness for you and your playstyle, and knows you know and others know, and is therefore sticking to it, but town!pops doesn't know where to calibrate it? Or would know, yet would ignore it anyway? How does pretending to sort you for not taking a stance yet when I know you would do that as either alignment accomplish anything? It's accurate to sort me by looking for actions with a collateral cost of causing my lynch, but there has to be some sort of upside. For example Looker is probably partial to lynching me by now over my text color, but there is some sort of upside, I find it pretty. Firing paranoid public cop shots at your face by stating you're scum for not taking stances doesn't have any upside so it doesn't matter how I feel about the collateral cost of getting lynched, it's just something I would never do in the first place.
I am kind of worried this is a weird perspective slip thing.

I'm somewhere on page 20 so far

[popsofctown]

For the record, at the very least something wooper (and others) can note after the game, to the best of my knowledge I exited my scumrange earlier today. I think around 436.

It is interesting that you view your scummiest post as the exit of your scumrange.
If that is actually how you exit your scumrange, please re-enter you scumrange, then exit again using an aperture that is not shaped like a logical fallacy, because I'm not going to notice your exit the other way.

[popsofctown]

I think even when a healthy amount of respect for the scumranges of the members of STRQ is factored in the hydra is significantly above rand to be town from the effort and analysis they've been posting

[popsofctown]

post 443 from implosion makes me feel that starting off with an S_S redflip could clear implosion and provide a clear D2 heaven. There would be so little value in drawing attention to such an inherently scummy post from a partner and like not even bussing onto it or accomplishing something. I don't deduct some points I might normally deduct for reserving judgment due to the number of times I reread the post before deciding what alignment it indicated.
VOTE: S_S
Wooper is scummier but his partners don't want to bus, but feigning interest in S_S's scumpost maybe forces Wooper to.
Please let's start voting scum.

Elmo you're a treasure from heaven but please vote someone you think is mafia for hell, we can use the heaven vote to remove the hydra if you are sick of it ok? Like red Wooper -> heaven STRQ seems good.

[popsofctown]

My attitude about this game has kind of gradually shifted from "this setup is kind of hard and is probably a town loss but all my friends are here it will be fun anyway" to, "Rocky stone floor minimum one of S_S and Wooper is scum and not even playing particularly well and that makes this dayplay history kind of shameful and embarrassing to throw so we need like actually buckle down"

[Wooper]

immediately

@this post in general
you're asking for a free pass for d1 which I'm fine with at surface value
your hydra dynamics can be explained happily as either alignment which I think you know I treat as a surface d1 town indicator
still don't have a good sense of where we're going from here

[Wooper]

Amrun, Something_Smart, Wooper

if this is a list of big ol cuties itt you missed a few names

if not I'm finding this trio pretty hard to digest

[Wooper]

Exactly what I said. My stomach is funny about your post and I still don't know whether I dislike that it came from you, or dislike that it jars with a read I'm kind of biasing. like if I had to reflexively vig one of you, last night I would've reflexively vigged you. Right now I have no idea which way I'd go.

You said basically nothing besides "gut" though. I should hope that you can at least pinpoint what your gut thinks scum-me is trying to accomplish there that town-me would not be?

I assumed my earlier post would kinda answer this question in itself but like

I don't see an agenda from you at all at this point. I think I'm kinda waiting for your momentum to pick up but I think I stand ~1 in you/pops

sorry it's largely gut it's more like "these nullish reads have one scum in them I think" rather than a HARD DICHOTOMY OF DEATH you know?

[Wooper]

what's your take on amrun?

She seems to be pretty much playing in an ideal town way so far? Commenting, questioning, providing reads with reasons, not trying to control the game or provoke people, and encouraging cooperation.

Obviously scum are capable of playing that way, but I don't really see how she's scummy.

I'm not sure I have enough popcorn to last me until you lay a vote down this phase.

For the record, at the very least something wooper (and others) can note after the game, to the best of my knowledge I exited my scumrange earlier today. I think around 436.

huh
I think your play here trends town!SS but I thought it did so in a pretty selfaware way. Do I hold your scumgame in too high regard?

Actually the way you made my brain go hang out with my stomach probably indicates you're applying a solving mindset just to drop a read with that much nuance

@ me if you think there's more I should be parsing here. I'm going to dwell on this a bit. You're not d1 lynch anyway.

[popsofctown]

Is Qrow Krazy? He has a flawless record reading me so far so that'd put some eyebrows onto the vote.

Enter otoh could misread me all he wants like whatever

[Wooper]

similar/bit more on #500
same thing occurred to me with Ank's big post; this is either a tvt or while her partners have dipped she's engineered it to look a lot like a tvt to try and excuse the Tai/Raven posting

Purgatory creates necessity for such interesting plays
I think my heart wants to yolotownread you and strq but my head is begging me to strive for PERFECT READS

[Wooper]

Is Qrow Krazy? He has a flawless record reading me so far so that'd put some eyebrows onto the vote.

Enter otoh could misread me all he wants like whatever

almost certainly Qrow=Krazzy

[Wooper]

find you hard to engage on this

this is a really fucking good pocket if it is manufactured
VOTE: pops
I'm really sorry I don't have capacity to go full iso analysis at the moment (save another long ass night mobileposting which I also really hope doesn't happen) so I'm not really sure where to put you readlist wise I just kinda don't think I have the energy to engage with you/SS about amrun reads in a way which actually ends with you correctly sorted

but I think you should be sortable aorn
weekend should fall on heaven1. I think I want this dialogue then.

[popsofctown]

Krazy is 3/3 townreading me as town and feeling strongly about it so I kind of have the creeps, maybe STRQ is powerwolfing. 1 of the 3 is a marathon to be fair.

[Wooper]

For the record, at the very least something wooper (and others) can note after the game, to the best of my knowledge I exited my scumrange earlier today. I think around 436.

It is interesting that you view your scummiest post as the exit of your scumrange.
If that is actually how you exit your scumrange, please re-enter you scumrange, then exit again using an aperture that is not shaped like a logical fallacy, because I'm not going to notice your exit the other way.

could you like talk to me about where that post is wolfy

[Wooper]

pops I understand you are stating reads this game but I see nearly no trajectory and really don't understand how to parse them if you're town

[implosion]

@S_S: would you say that, generally, it is within your scumrange to make a post where you describe exactly where you exited your scumrange?

[popsofctown]

I already went into it heavily in depth, if you're actually town and are not at least giving me a tenth of your attention span with playing this game that's aggravating.

like you already fucking called the post wolfy yourself you just fucking forgot you decided to bus about it and have accidentally reverted to probemode Wooper

this is absurd

[Wooper]

I think like every post you've made on this page looks like it's trying to accomplish something very specific

I don't think I believe that you scumread me
I find your discomfort with SS really intangible given you also think there was one scum in that dialogue apparently?
I think your criticism of STRQ really hits a lot of moot points? I think there's a lot of reasons to scumread their dayplay but you wanting Krazzy to be scum because he's bot hard townreading you while also being a non-factor has me a bit lost

[popsofctown]

Many factors are converging to make me believe there is at least one scum in {pops, wooper}. One such reason is that it's taken this long for someone to FoS me for being noncommittal, meaning scum haven't wanted to do it for some reason.

There are many possible reasons but the easiest one is that they (or at least some of them) know me too well to be able to get away with that.

Oddly I don't like this post all that much! Or at least it makes me feel things and I'm not sure how I want to classify those things.[/quot]
this post also made my stomach feel weird.

For the record, at the very least something wooper (and others) can note after the game, to the best of my knowledge I exited my scumrange earlier today. I think around 436.

It is interesting that you view your scummiest post as the exit of your scumrange.
If that is actually how you exit your scumrange, please re-enter you scumrange, then exit again using an aperture that is not shaped like a logical fallacy, because I'm not going to notice your exit the other way.

could you like talk to me about where that post is wolfy

Lynch this obvious level of dissonance or just like, heaven S_S and Wooper to at least try to speed run throwing this game, after you throw me out of it