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Post Post #525 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:49 pm

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In post 505, popsofctown wrote:
In post 410, Team STRQ wrote:I don't think mafia is at all fun in most games outside of a hydra

-Summer
I don't think mafia is at all fun except when I'm interacting with non-hydras, seems like an impasse.
In post 436, Something_Smart wrote:Many factors are converging to make me believe there is at least one scum in {pops, wooper}. One such reason is that it's taken this long for someone to FoS me for being noncommittal, meaning scum haven't wanted to do it for some reason.

There are many possible reasons but the easiest one is that they (or at least some of them) know me too well to be able to get away with that.
This is some wow-signal moonlogic here. You feel certain that scum!pops knows where she should calibrate her tolerance for votelessness for you and your playstyle, and knows you know and others know, and is therefore sticking to it, but town!pops doesn't know where to calibrate it? Or would know, yet would ignore it anyway? How does pretending to sort you for not taking a stance yet when I know you would do that as either alignment accomplish anything? It's accurate to sort me by looking for actions with a collateral cost of causing my lynch, but there has to be some sort of upside. For example Looker is probably partial to lynching me by now over my text color, but there is some sort of upside, I find it pretty. Firing paranoid public cop shots at your face by stating you're scum for not taking stances doesn't have any upside so it doesn't matter how I feel about the collateral cost of getting lynched, it's just something I would never do in the first place.
I am kind of worried this is a weird perspective slip thing.

I'm somewhere on page 20 so far

In post 508, popsofctown wrote:
post 443 from implosion makes me feel that starting off with an S_S redflip could clear implosion and provide a clear D2 heaven. There would be so little value in drawing attention to such an inherently scummy post from a partner and like not even bussing onto it or accomplishing something. I don't deduct some points I might normally deduct for reserving judgment due to the number of times I reread the post before deciding what alignment it indicated.
VOTE: S_S
Wooper is scummier but his partners don't want to bus, but feigning interest in S_S's scumpost maybe forces Wooper to.
Please let's start voting scum.

Elmo you're a treasure from heaven but please vote someone you think is mafia for hell, we can use the heaven vote to remove the hydra if you are sick of it ok? Like red Wooper -> heaven STRQ seems good.
@pops if you meant these, neither makes me want to scumread SS? I actually don't really follow what you consider scum indicative here and it kinda feels like you're bending yourself to a very specific perspective in order to see an agenda here and like tbh I find it really difficult to exist in that perspective

If this isn't fabricated I think our brains are utterly different places

This is what I meant about feeling like you're pushing a very specific agenda; this is the most lucid you've been all game and it's after more people have started posting sensible game progressing things and found you suspect
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Post Post #526 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:50 pm

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In post 524, popsofctown wrote:
In post 463, Wooper wrote:
In post 443, implosion wrote:
In post 436, Something_Smart wrote:Many factors are converging to make me believe there is at least one scum in {pops, wooper}. One such reason is that it's taken this long for someone to FoS me for being noncommittal, meaning scum haven't wanted to do it for some reason.

There are many possible reasons but the easiest one is that they (or at least some of them) know me too well to be able to get away with that.
Oddly I don't like this post all that much! Or at least it makes me feel things and I'm not sure how I want to classify those things.[/quot]
this post also made my stomach feel weird.
In post 519, Wooper wrote:
In post 506, popsofctown wrote:
In post 499, Something_Smart wrote:For the record, at the very least something wooper (and others) can note after the game, to the best of my knowledge I exited my scumrange earlier today. I think around .
It is interesting that you view your scummiest post as the exit of your scumrange.
If that is actually how you exit your scumrange, please re-enter you scumrange, then exit again using an aperture that is not shaped like a logical fallacy, because I'm not going to notice your exit the other way.
:?:
could you like talk to me about where that post is wolfy
Lynch this obvious level of dissonance or just like, heaven S_S and Wooper to at least try to speed run throwing this game, after you throw me out of it
you read the bit where I elaborated on why that post threw me for a moment right
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Post Post #527 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:51 pm

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In post 501, Amrun wrote:
In post 448, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:I can't do this anymore.
Vote: Team STRQ

At this point No.
Is this a policy vote, or do you think the hydra is scum?
Policy. This hydra I feel can't be this bad to be scum unless I'm that crazy in thinking in otherwise
In post 508, popsofctown wrote:
post 443 from implosion makes me feel that starting off with an S_S redflip could clear implosion and provide a clear D2 heaven. There would be so little value in drawing attention to such an inherently scummy post from a partner and like not even bussing onto it or accomplishing something. I don't deduct some points I might normally deduct for reserving judgment due to the number of times I reread the post before deciding what alignment it indicated.
VOTE: S_S
Wooper is scummier but his partners don't want to bus, but feigning interest in S_S's scumpost maybe forces Wooper to.
Please let's start voting scum.

Elmo you're a treasure from heaven but please vote someone you think is mafia for hell, we can use the heaven vote to remove the hydra if you are sick of it ok? Like red Wooper -> heaven STRQ seems good.

Aren't you a sweetheart now.

I can follow this train of thought but I'd need to read the past few pages again.
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Post Post #528 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:51 pm

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I'm not QEDing Krazy's slot, I'm noting a data point before I potentially lose my posting privileges in less than 2 days.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #529 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:53 pm

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alright
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Post Post #530 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:56 pm

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if I assume I'm just not wrong

wooper/Elmo town
SS/implo likely town
strq/amrun I divine the alignments of later
I wonder how many red are in pops/ame/looker lol
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Post Post #531 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:58 pm

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In post 493, Looker wrote:Pick as many as you want {You can make out agendas this early? / Very polished response. / I'll take that as a no.}
In post 495, Looker wrote:Amrun, Something_Smart, Wooper
I think Looker looks really interesting depending on pops alignment because they are the only two I believeeee who have called me/ss s/s and its a take I only kinda 30% get

Did someone call me/amrun s/s at one point?
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Post Post #532 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:58 pm

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In case it's not obvious:

S_S rolled this game and gets 5 days in and hasn't been pushed for indecisiveness.
S_S gets pushed for indecisiveness every single game.
What is different about this game is, in some configuration, the alignments of himself and the people who have meta on him.
He immediately gets out ahead of it with an analytical post about why he hasn't been pushed for indecision this game to put make-work into the thread which he thinks makes him look town (indisputable that he thinks it makes him look town since he later posted that he wants people to please look at the post and realize he is town).
The analysis had to be based on a universe that isn't real, and S_S knows that, so when he checked his work, he didn't care that it described a universe that isn't real.
He failed to realize his proposed universe needs to at least make sense with itself and it totally doesn't, it is moonlogic, from a player who is characterized by never producing any as town.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #533 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:00 pm

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If both Wooper and S_S are town I am terrible at mafia

there is room for that to be the case but man it'd be bonkers
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #534 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:07 pm

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this game has been as aggressive as a pancake
I very much don't feel that SS has stood out at all until the last ~24 hours

Elmo (I thinkkkkk it was her) also raised concerns about him being a lurksack and there are like nonzero people in this game familiar with SS' meta

like that's an entirely disingenuous suggestion
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Post Post #535 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:08 pm

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everything you post that isn't disingenuous is AtE lol
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Post Post #536 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:10 pm

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I have the most posts besides you and a quad hydra and you want to hell me to fix and underactive gamestate?
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #537 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:22 pm

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Didn't ask you to fix the gamestate. I fixed the gamestate.

there were like. 3/50 posts in your early iso that I liked. I liked your posting a little when I floated amrun/homura at first; strongly dislike your current posting

while you've been active you've been really stubborn and just pushed what you want to push. I don't have a sense of where you're at with the game and your solve is like, incredibly hard to digest

just because you're active doesn't mean you're town, and like I didn't ask you to fix the inactive gamestate. my loudest call to action was to the hydra tbh. but we're all equally responsible.
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Post Post #538 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:22 pm

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back to work
gotta get that wooper bread!
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Post Post #539 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:18 pm

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yeah i'm not really interested in shunting SS off in either direction rn, I think he's one of the easier people to read in the long term even if I have some conflicting feelings atm.
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Post Post #540 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:26 pm

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Amrun just hasn't said anything really interesting in the past while. Like, has plenty of words in it but no words that I really care about. It's a very personal read of Wooper that I can't really come around to easily, and it just feels like... doing stuff. It doesn't really make me want to townread her. It's like, I'm not really getting the sense from her ISO that she's going through posts in the thread and seeing things that pique her interest that she wants to delve into; it feels like she's looking at the thread to find the things she has to deal with, dealing with those things, and then not really doing much else.
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In post 455, implosion wrote:Case in point:
In post 426, Wooper wrote:I've just dropped another bunch of reads you're welcome to engage with.
Wooper said this and you told him to cut the bullshit... like, sure if you feel that way, but you're BOTH just talking past each other.

So what do you think this says about their alignments?
I've said I think they're both town, Wooper more strongly. I don't think the talking past each other necessarily says much about their alignments on its own, though it certainly is something that can be characteristic of TvT as some have pointed out.

Why ask me this? Do you think I'm going to say that I think it makes one or both of them scum? From what I can tell, the two of them are your two biggest scumreads right now (give you're voting STRQ and you're devoting most of your words against Wooper), so surely you have some perspective on them being at each others' throats? The fact that you ask me this instead of like, giving your own opinions in this case, just kind of feels like you're engaging to engage rather than on the things that should be most pertinent given the view of the gamestate that you have here as town. Unless I've missed something.
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Post Post #541 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:27 pm

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In post 501, Amrun wrote:
In post 448, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:I can't do this anymore.
Vote: Team STRQ

At this point No.
Is this a policy vote, or do you think the hydra is scum?
This is also, like, a little weird of a question to ask someone who just voted for the same person as you. At least a little, or at least it's not the kind of thing I can ever remember thinking when seeing someone vote with me. Also kind of feels like engaging to engage at that.
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Post Post #542 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:58 pm

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I like implo for town
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #543 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:56 pm

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Implo town ya
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Post Post #544 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:24 pm

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VOTE: Elmo
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Post Post #545 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:24 pm

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spicy.
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Post Post #546 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:25 pm

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heavenbound
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #547 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:29 pm

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@Stark can you link me the profile of each of your heads?

I'm about half-way caught up.

Hard TR on Looker. I've played with her as scum and have read a couple of her town games and they are v different.

Wooper also reads differently than what I've seen of his scum play. In the game I read, he was really brownie townie hyperactive (albeit he was jester, but in a game where jester has to play like town to be lynched). Here he seems unpolished and more solve-oriented. I also like the mindset of (though I disagree with the conclusion).
In post 189, Wooper wrote:Homu-chan is scummy which is a tragedy because she was meant to travel back from MyLo to Hell1 to try and stop us from making stupid mistakes
but if she did, scum would just become more powerful and they'd get stronger and stronger with each iteration!
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In post 17, Amrun wrote:Btw Elmo, I’ve been varying things but overall well! Got married and had a baby. :) I hope you are well too.
Up and down. Starting to look up.
In post 21, Something_Smart wrote:And I'm non-voting town.
Um what? Why?
This reaction to S_S's joke feels way over the top.
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Post Post #548 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:34 pm

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In post 504, Amrun wrote:@S_S: who do you think has the best handle on your meta, of this player list?
Ank probably has played the most games with me. I would say her I guess since she seems to be pretty good at sorting through the things that aren't alignment indicative for me, even if she isn't great at reading me overall.
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Post Post #549 (ISO) » Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:35 pm

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